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Hoovie 06-23-2007 07:30 PM

Another Faith??
 
I often hear people say someone is of "another faith" meaning they are a part of another Christian denomination. I have on occaision used the term myself.

Is this not in effect saying they are teaching another gospel??

Is there not just one faith??

I wonder how this term came about??

I have determined to not use the term unless I mean it.

Steve Epley 06-23-2007 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 165848)
I often hear people say someone is of "another faith" meaning they are a part of another Christian denomination. I have on occaision used the term myself.

Is this not in effect saying they are teaching another gospel??

Is there not just one faith??

I wonder how this term came about??

I have determined to not use the term unless I mean it.

I have a saying there is ONLY ONE faith and over 900 UNBELIEFS.
For example the Baptist unbelief, Methodist unbelief, Assembly of GodS unbelief.

Hoovie 06-23-2007 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 165850)
I have a saying there is ONLY ONE faith and over 900 UNBELIEFS.
For example the Baptist unbelief, Methodist unbelief, Assembly of GodS unbelief.

So you don't use the term "another faith" when making reference to other denominations?

Timmy 06-23-2007 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 165850)
I have a saying there is ONLY ONE faith and over 900 UNBELIEFS.
For example the Baptist unbelief, Methodist unbelief, Assembly of GodS unbelief.

Uh huh. We know, only you and those who believe exactly like you are true believers. Uh huh. Everyone who doesn't believe exactly like you do "doesn't love truth". Uh huh. Everyone who sincerely searches will be sent a Oneness Pentecostal preacher to lead them to the truth. Uh huh. We understand. And nobody can be saved except through a Oneness Pentecostal preacher, we get it. Thanks.

Hoovie 06-23-2007 08:54 PM

SE is one voice... What do you think Timmy?

Timmy 06-23-2007 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 165906)
SE is one voice... What do you think Timmy?

Ooooh, some people may wish you hadn't asked! :lol

Seriously, though, I'm not sure what my faith is right now. I am working it out. Researching things, trying to learn about different beliefs, one of which being Oneness Pentecostal. (To render my opinion here on OP would be in violation of the rules! :sshhh)

Hoovie 06-23-2007 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 165916)
Ooooh, some people may wish you hadn't asked! :lol

Seriously, though, I'm not sure what my faith is right now. I am working it out. Researching things, trying to learn about different beliefs, one of which being Oneness Pentecostal. (To render my opinion here on OP would be in violation of the rules! :sshhh)

Actually I am asking you opinion regarding the original post... It is really not about Oneness Pentecostals in particular.

Sherri 06-23-2007 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 165848)
I often hear people say someone is of "another faith" meaning they are a part of another Christian denomination. I have on occaision used the term myself.

Is this not in effect saying they are teaching another gospel??

Is there not just one faith??

I wonder how this term came about??

I have determined to not use the term unless I mean it.

I would never use the term another faith unless it was about people who don't believe that Jesus is the way to salvation.

Hoovie 06-23-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 165931)
I would never use the term another faith unless it was about people who don't believe that Jesus is the way to salvation.

Glad to hear this. You have heard it used as I described??

Sherri 06-23-2007 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 165934)
Glad to hear this. You have heard it used as I described??

Yes, but I've also heard Methodists using it about Baptists, etc., like it was a denomination. It's not just Pentecostals who say it, although they are mainly the ones who think everyone else is hellbound.

Hoovie 06-23-2007 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 165938)
Yes, but I've also heard Methodists using it about Baptists, etc., like it was a denomination. It's not just Pentecostals who say it, although they are mainly the ones who think everyone else is hellbound.

This is what I am saying. I won't comment about the last statement there are plenty of those threads.

Timmy 06-23-2007 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 165919)
Actually I am asking you opinion regarding the original post... It is really not about Oneness Pentecostals in particular.

:doh

I have no problem using the term "faith" to indicate someone's (anyone's) religion or spiritual beliefs, whether I agree with them or not. Standard English definition, seems to me.

Hoovie 06-23-2007 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 165976)
:doh

I have no problem using the term "faith" to indicate someone's (anyone's) religion or spiritual beliefs, whether I agree with them or not. Standard English definition, seems to me.

The question though is regarding the term "ANOTHER Faith".

Timmy 06-23-2007 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 165977)
The question though is regarding the term "ANOTHER Faith".

No problem with that, either. There are many "faiths". OP is a faith, Islam is a faith. You hold to your faith, Muslims hold to "another faith".

berkeley 06-23-2007 10:26 PM

"one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism..."

Timmy 06-23-2007 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 165981)
No problem with that, either. There are many "faiths". OP is a faith, Islam is a faith. You hold to your faith, Muslims hold to "another faith".

Oh, and if you mean specifically calling a differnt Christian (so claimed, anyway) belief "another faith", yep. No problem with that, even. There are so many differences among Christian belief systems, it is not a stretch (IMO) to consider them different "faiths", and again, you hold to your faith, and other, non-OP Christians (self-proclaimed) hold to "another faith". No big deal, seems to me.

Timmy 06-23-2007 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 165982)
"one Lord, ONE FAITH, one baptism..."

I think it's implied that that means one true faith. Other "faiths" (whether you like the term or not) may be as wrong as wrong can be, but they are still faiths. Again, it's a normal English word with a common definition.

berkeley 06-23-2007 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 165984)
I think it's implied that that means one true faith. Other "faiths" (whether you like the term or not) may be as wrong as wrong can be, but they are still faiths. Again, it's a normal English word with a common definition.

Right. I threw that in there to see if an UC will come in and cheer.

Ronzo 06-23-2007 10:41 PM

Timmay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Timmy 06-24-2007 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Berkeley (Post 165985)
Right. I threw that in there to see if an UC will come in and cheer.

:killinme

Steve Epley 06-24-2007 11:49 AM

What to call any church that is NOT Apostolic????????????? A false church.

I had a person ask me once "If you was not Apostolic what would you be?"

I said "Nothing like everyone else."

TalkLady 06-24-2007 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 166179)
What to call any church that is NOT Apostolic????????????? A false church.

I had a person ask me once "If you was not Apostolic what would you be?"

I said "Nothing like everyone else."

What's wrong with a person saying that he or she is a member of "The Church of Jesus Christ - Oneness" ..........There are Lutherans and Catholics who equate Apostolic with a Catholic organization. I know that sounds weird to us, but there are some out there who do. I'm not saying don't call yourself Apostolic, but I can't see that it is wrong to say Church Of Jesus Christ - Oneness.

Steve Epley 06-24-2007 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TalkLady (Post 166181)
What's wrong with a person saying that he or she is a member of "The Church of Jesus Christ - Oneness" ..........There are Lutherans and Catholics who equate Apostolic with a Catholic organization. I know that sounds weird to us, but there are some out there who do. I'm not saying don't call yourself Apostolic, but I can't see that it is wrong to say Church Of Jesus Christ - Oneness.

Not a thing wrong with that.

It is NOT the Name over the door but the message preached in the pulpit-the experience recieved by the members and the lifestyle they live that determines the True Faith.

TalkLady 06-24-2007 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 166182)
Not a thing wrong with that.

It is NOT the Name over the door but the message preached in the pulpit-the experience recieved by the members and the lifestyle they live that determines the True Faith.

I don't think that having the name over the door is essential (as some do) but I think it's the best name to have associated with the church. Also, I agree - the people living for God make "The Church" - not a sign.

Steve Epley 06-24-2007 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TalkLady (Post 166185)
I don't think that having the name over the door is essential (as some do) but I think it's the best name to have associated with the church. Also, I agree - the people living for God make "The Church" - not a sign.

By the way the name of the church I pastor is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Mitchell." The name over the door is "The Church of Jesus Christ." But I do not think the scriptures give us a name to place over the door nor an exact designated name of the church.

stmatthew 06-24-2007 02:11 PM

I have no problem with using the term "of another faith". I think in this context normally the word "faith" can be interchanged with the word "doctrine". It signifies a belief system rather than just a belief in Jesus.

Hoovie 06-28-2007 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 165850)
I have a saying there is ONLY ONE faith and over 900 UNBELIEFS.
For example the Baptist unbelief, Methodist unbelief, Assembly of GodS unbelief.

Quote:

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 166259)
I have no problem with using the term "of another faith". I think in this context normally the word "faith" can be interchanged with the word "doctrine". It signifies a belief system rather than just a belief in Jesus.

Here are two different views of it.


I guess my own view is almost a third view - that the various denominations are a part of the One Faith [that of Christ Jesus] not so much because they all agree but in spite of the differences.

It is the faith and belief that Jesus Christ is the only true Son of God, who came to suffer and die on a cross for the sin of mankind.

OP_Carl 06-29-2007 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 166189)
By the way the name of the church I pastor is "The Church of Jesus Christ of Mitchell." The name over the door is "The Church of Jesus Christ." But I do not think the scriptures give us a name to place over the door nor an exact designated name of the church.

And it's not too awful far of a drive from "The Church of Jesus Christ with Signs Following and Snakes Slithering." ;)

MrsMcD 06-29-2007 07:29 AM

I have never heard the term "another faith." What does it mean?

Hoovie 06-29-2007 07:34 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsMcD (Post 171826)
I have never heard the term "another faith." What does it mean?

The definition is what this thread is about. It is apparant it means different things to different people.

The way I have often heard it used is like this... "Our nieghbors were very nice people but of a different faith than us" (meaning a different Christian denomination)

I think it is only used correctly when the faith in reference is one that does not believe in Jesus.

MrsMcD 06-29-2007 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 171829)
The definition is what this thread is about. It is apparent it means different things to different people.

The way I have often heard it used is like this... "Our neighbors were very nice people but of a different faith than us" (meaning a different Christian denomination)

I think it is only used correctly when the faith in reference is one that does not believe in Jesus.

I see. I was thinking people could mean denomination or doctrine.

Hoovie 06-29-2007 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MrsMcD (Post 171830)
I see. I was thinking people could mean denomination or doctrine.

Right it apparantly is used that way by many. I am thinking this type of language is an unnecessary barrier between Christians.

Used in that context it could be said many I go to church with even some ministers, are of a different faith.

Steve Epley 07-01-2007 04:09 PM

ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism. Eph 4:5

Hoovie 07-01-2007 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 173473)
ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism. Eph 4:5

SE, guess we sort of agree on the one faith part when it comes to defining Christians.

I think it's apparant my definition of "the faith" is broader and more inclusive.

tv1a 07-01-2007 05:11 PM

Another faith is way of saying they ain't one of us, but they ain't charismatic.

Hoovie 07-02-2007 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 173492)
Another faith is way of saying they ain't one of us, but they ain't charismatic.

LOL!

CupCake 07-02-2007 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 165901)
Uh huh. We know, only you and those who believe exactly like you are true believers. Uh huh. Everyone who doesn't believe exactly like you do "doesn't love truth". Uh huh. Everyone who sincerely searches will be sent a Oneness Pentecostal preacher to lead them to the truth. Uh huh. We understand. And nobody can be saved except through a Oneness Pentecostal preacher, we get it. Thanks.

Timmy~ There are some on here who preach another way unto Christ, thought man made dress coeds of standards and traditions, other then by Gods perfect Agape and Grace (Jesus)! I believe they are dammed due to adding and taken from Gods true message of (Jesus) ~

For me it comes down to preaching another Gospel, as well as another faith, one of man~

Timmy 07-02-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by CupCake (Post 174358)
Timmy~ There are some on here who preach another way unto Christ, thought man made dress coeds of standards and traditions, other then by Gods perfect Agape and Grace (Jesus)! I believe they are dammed due to adding and taken from Gods true message of (Jesus) ~

For me it comes down to preaching another Gospel, as well as another faith, one of man~

Oh, I don't know, maybe God's grace extends even to the exclusivists! :winkgrin

CupCake 07-03-2007 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy (Post 174438)
Oh, I don't know, maybe God's grace extends even to the exclusivists! :winkgrin

Now Timmy~:killinme:winkgrin

CC1 07-04-2007 08:35 AM

Mr. Hoover Vacuum,

I can see Oneness Pentecostals from the PAJC perspective viewing other Christians as having "another faith" since they are not fulfilling their basic 3 step requriements for salvation. Most Christians "faith" is in Christ and his work at Calvary where most OP's "faith" is centered on Acts 2:38 and standards. For them anyone not obeying Acts 2:38 as they see it or adhering to their application of scriptures regarding dress code are then "of another faith".

What I don't see is this lunacy of some saying that Chrisitans who are not Oneness Pentecostals worship "another God".


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