why evangelics love Israel
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fo77sTGpngQ


*sorry for typo in title, should be:

Why evangelical Christians Love Israel

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recap:
basically we need to support Israel so Christ can return, we can get out of here, and Jews can go thru tribulation, with 1/3 being saved.


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Wow Sister I was just going to post this.

Thank you.

Brother Irvin Baxter Jr is in this video. ;)

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The real reason Christians love Israel.

Romans 11:28

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

And some Christians like Irvin Baxter are actively working to be witnesses of the coming of Jesus Christ to the Jewish people that they might be saved. Something the Apostolic Church believed would happen in the future.

2 Cor 3:14-16

14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ. 15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart. 16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

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Mike, therefore you teach that CONVERTS (which every single one is) are all beloved of Jesus Christ? Mike, not one of their ancestors crucified Christ, not one of their ancestors were sitting at the foot of Mount Sinai when Moses came down the mountain. By the proclamation in Ezra 2:59-62 they couldn't possibly serve in the temple services, or building. Mike, there is ONLY one Israel, and that is Apostolic baptized in Jesus name, filled with the Holy Ghost. You have Jesus Christ bestowing love on a group that couldn't trace their lineage back to Zerubbabel if they had a flashlight and a laser beam.
Modern Talmudic Jews hate Christianity, and hate Jesus Christ, no matter how much you use your made up Hebrew to change His name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSDy...el=ToviaSinger

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EB - I keep hearing this refrain that the Jews today are not the Jews of the Bible.
Many years ago, I went over that and settled that in my mind.
So, just as a whim I did an internet search and came up with this, which was the same argument that I had settled many years ago.
link
https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-b...ended-khazars/
Is this what you keep referring to?

By referring, I mean to the book mentioned in the article.

Here is another link
https://phys.org/news/2018-09-ashken...cientists.html

and another
https://www.haaretz.com/jewish/khaza...sted-1.5253397

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Romans 11:28

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.

There exists a nation at this moment called Israel. You assume not even ONE of its inhabitants are of Israel. The scriptures speak much about Israel being in existence when Christ comes.

Preterists like yourself believe Jesus came in 70ad so I realize its hard for you to think of these scriptures having a future fulfillment.

Paul an apostle of Jesus Christ was baptized into the name of Yeshua and filled with the Holy Ghost. He was part of the Church.

AND YET.......he foresaw the people of Israel who were blinded in his time as one day coming out of the darkness and into the light.

So had you asked Paul "is there such a thing as Israel" he would have an answer for you that perhaps would give you a better understanding.

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Thanks Aegsm!

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What does it mean for a Christian to "support" Israel?

Mainly it means they support the right of Israel to EXIST. I support Israel. I have never been there or even have a desire to visit there. My wife has given offerings to Messianic Jews.

Does that make us "Zionists"? I pray regularly for Messianic believers. Also for the salvation of the majority who are lost. Paul did the same.

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Dom,

What is the video by Singer supposed to teach us? We know that the modern Jews reject Yeshua. We get it. Do we still love them for the Fathers sake? Yes

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Both articles do not refute what is outlined in Ezra and Nehemiah. Sorry, but Khazars or Chinese converts to Medival Talmudic Judaism is unbiblical. The Rabbis trust in your not knowing the subject, therefore you legitimize conversions which Ezra, Nehemiah, and Zerubabel would of vehemitly rejected.

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Rabbi Singer video proves that they don’t believe your eschatology.
Build the temple Mike. Reinstate animal sacrifice, and get a Khazar high priest to officiate services.

Good grief, our people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

Oh, His name has been Jesus for over 2,000 years, so either moved to Israel, or learn Hebrew. :lol

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Evangelicals "love Israel" because they are ignorant of Bible prophecy, ignorant of Bible history, ignorant of Jewish history, ignorant of the Jewish religion, ignorant of medieval history, and ignorant of modern history.

Instead, they have accepted uncritically a series of propositions put forward by a political movement that manipulates religious beliefs for a particular goal. And that goal is not for the benefit of anyone except a particular group. Meaning, YOU are not the beneficiaries.

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Scripture speaks of Israel becoming a multitude of nations. It also speaks of them getting a different Promised Land. It also speaks of them recognizing Messiah. It also says whoever will not hearken to Messiah is cut off from Israel. The Scripture you quoted specifically says they are enemies concerning the Gospel. Evangelicals and other dupes like to focus entirely on the second part of that verse while ignoring the first part, which is exactly how the enemies of the Gospel like it.

Futurists find it hard to believe many of these things have been and continue to be fulfilled already, including Paul's doctrine that the prophesied unification of "Jew and Gentile" under Messiah was already underway in his time. Why? Because everything is always future, just around the corner. And thus futurists are unable to identify where they are in God's Program, much less identify any of the key players correctly.



He would have told you circumcision is nothing, nor is uncircumcision, but a new commandment keeping creature. He would have told you gentiles who obey God from the heart are reckoned as "true Jews" while "Jews" who do NOT obey God are reckoned as heathen gentiles. He would have told you that there is a difference between an Israelite and a Jew, and that THE JEWS ARE CONTRARY TO ALL MEN AND CANNOT PLEASE GOD.

Actually, he already did tell us those things.

The existence of a modern nation calling itself "Israel" created by political machinations of the British and Zionists is hardly proof of anything Biblical, except that there are people calling themselves "Jews" WHO AREN'T, but who LIE and are in fact a synagogue OF SATAN, exactly as Jesus Christ Himself said (in Revelation, of all places).

Nobody is the apple of God's eye who rejects Jesus Christ. Judaism is Pharisaism (ask any Jew), and Jesus said the Pharisees were of their father THE DEVIL and their converts are twice the sons of hell they themselves were. The Bible very clearly identifies antichrist as those who deny the Son.

So, evangelicals apparently love and "support" antichrist. Such is the world of futurist prophecy interpretations, it results in Christians actually supporting the Antichrist.

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Did I ignore the first part of the verse? No. Unsaved Jews are enemies to the gospel. Apart from Yeshua they will be cast into Gehenna.

But what about the other part? Israel is beloved for the Fathers sake.

Paul said that while he was a baptized in Yeshua's name believer filled with the Spirit.

He said much about Israel in his writings positive and negative. Why not believe the WHOLE counsel of God?

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I do believe the whole counsel of God. Which is why I do not "support" Antichrist.

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He did not, by the way, say "Israel is beloved for the Father's sake." Man, talk about mangling the Word of God! And then you interpret that as "the Jews are beloved for God's sake."

He said, "...as touching the election they are beloved for the fathers' sakes." He was speaking about Jacob, not the Jews (certainly not the people calling themselves Jews today) - v 26.

As far as the ELECTION they are beloved for the sake of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Now notice, according to verse 7, "the election hath obtained it, and THE REST WERE BLINDED." Which clearly means the blinded part of Israel (not "the Jews") were OUTSIDE the part called "the election", who are "beloved for the fathers' sakes".

And none of this applies, whatsoever, to the modern day antichrists over in Palestine.

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:thumbsup

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I wonder if Mike actually uses a Bible in English, instead of Hebrew?

Romans 11:28 I noticed that Mike made father a singular noun in the possessive case. Which isn't what the writer was saying. He is saying that they are enemies of the Gospel, but as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers, the patriarchs. As you already posted Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Hence the reason Jesus warns the first century AD Judeans that they would be thrust out to utter darkness, while Gentiles ate with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom. Matthew 8:11-12.

Hey Mike, how are you coming along with that third temple Bible study? :)

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The third temple of Ezekiel 40-48 is the New Jerusalem of Revelation 21 descending as a bride adorned for her husband, the Church!

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And is it spiritual or literal?

I believe it is spiritual and with us today.

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the church is spiritual and literal.

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EB - so your belief that the Jews of today are not the same as the Jews of the Bible is based in Ezra and Nehemiah?

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Ezra and Nehemiah give the short answer as to how they determined the members of tribes. Who was able to perform duties within the temple law system. Ezekiel goes further to give the prohibitions within the linage of the priest. Lineage meant everything to the ancient Israeli. What your article forgets to mention is HOW a Persian was able to convert to Isralism. How a female Moabitess was able to convert through the kinsman redeemer plan, and still bring forth children which would be considered her dead husband’s offspring.
Pharisees were able to have Gentile converts because they still had perfectly good lineages to place them in. Still, linage was VERY IMPORTANT as we see with Jesus’. Paul was actually able to point to his own pedigree. Which no Khazar could possibly do. Why? Because by the time of the Bar Kochba uprising the lineages were already sketchy. When we get to the Khazars all they are doing is joining the TEMPLESS religion of Babylonian Talmudic Judaism. A religion which was fabricated. Talmudism has no temple, just as when the original Judeans were in Babylon. After 70 AD, they just picked up were they left off, just no longer a people with any lineage connecting them to a land. Hence the one True religion would be the Apostolic Faith. Which a people would be not of race, but through grace. When Isaiah (speaking of Christ’s death) that who wold declare His generation. The prophet sees a young unmarried Judean male dying childless. No kinsman redeemer for Him since He was unmarried. So He wouldn’t have a physical generational linage. But when He fell asleep on the Cross ( gave up the ghost) out of His side came His wife (water and blood) Jesus name baptism the bride, the church, the true Israel of God. Just as the first Adam went to sleep, and his wife came from His side making the literal lineage. The same for Jesus which through Jesus name baptism we are born into His family, Jesus becomes our Father, we are His sons. We enter the only linage through circumcision of the heart, and the water and blood in His Name.

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well said.

Exactly

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Dude im holding back a HolyGhost freakout right now...I just saw that in a way I have never seen it before.

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:highfive

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At 1:37 Brother Irvin Baxter Jr says Ethiopia will attack Israel? Good Job Brother Baxter, good job. :lol

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At 7:20-25 Brother Baxter says Jesus isn't KING of kings yet???????

Good GOD in Zion!!!!!

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Noam Chomsky - Why Does the U.S. Support Israel?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUQ_0MubbcM

Unbelievable

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Trinitarian Dispensationalism has Jesus waiting to sit on His throne.
No throne, no crown, no kingdom. Everything is predicated on a Jewish revival and restoration of Israel. Then Jesus’ work will be complete. All this is after a third temple is rebuilt, and law system reinstated. Complete with Aaronic Zadokite priesthood which will be stopped by their antichrist.

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Makes perfect sense to me NOT

Man I am sure glad I have opened my eyes

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EB - so the Jews of today have no genetic link with the Jews of the Bible?

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Well, let's look at how the Judeans determined a pedigree. Ezra 2:59-62

These were they which went up from Telmelah, Telharsa, Cherub, Addan, and Immer: BUT they COULD NOT SHEW THEIR FATHER'S HOUSE, AND THEIR SEED, WHETHER THEY WERE OF ISRAEL.

The children of Delaiah, the children of Tobiah, the children of Nekoda, six hundred fifty and two. And of the children of the priests: the children of Habaiah, the children of Koz, the children of Barzillai; which took a wife of the daughters of Barzillai the GILEADITE, and was called after their name:

These sought their register among those that were RECKONED BY GENEALOGY, but they were NOT FOUND: therefore were they, AS POLLUTED, put from the priesthood.

Now if you would of taken blood from these priests you would of come up with genetic markers showing they were Semites. Yet, that obviously wasn't what the ancient Judeans or Israelites were looking for. It wasn't DNA genome. It was simply WHO MARRIED WHO. Who was the father of who, that is it. Might be a bit archaic, no biology involved, but they got the job done. Long lengthy genealogies like Jesus, which we have in Matthew and Luke. Jesus wasn't a priest, He wasn't of the sons of Zadok, but we have two genealogies for this Judean. A genealogy could make you or break you.So are the Sephardi, Ashkenazi, Yemenite, and Ethiopian Modern Jews genetically related to those of the Bible? The answer would have to be not Biblically. Because it had little to do with actual genetics, but way more with pedigree lineages. So, when we go around calling these CONVERTS to Babylonian Talmudic Judaism the chosen people, the old testament Jews, so on and so forth. We are doing that mistakenly. For centuries the people who practiced what is called Judaism are known as Jews. Just like people who practice Pentecostalism are called Pentecostals. Difference being we would never believe the Pentecostals are an actually race, but sadly we feel no check in the logic area. Look, were they born in Judea? No, because hundreds of years ago it no longer was called Judea. Are they even of the tribe of Judah? Now that's like finding a chicken with a row of gold teeth. They are not related to the people who in Matthew 27:25, said "let His blood be upon us and upon our children." Look I'm of Italian decent but I cannot say that I'm directly related to the Romans of the Roman Empire. Without a Genealogical map it is impossible. Hence royalty, religious hierarchical families had stricht genealogies. So, did tribal groups of many nations, Egyptians, Greeks, Romans, Ethiopians and Israelites. Can my wife, daughters, and mother in law trace their lineages back to the ancient Greeks? NO WAY. But would anyone debate that issue with any passion? No, but when it comes to the Jews, and Israel we have made it a religiously pious and verboten issue if one should deny their pedigree with Moses. Sorry, but the Jews living today would get the left foot of fellowship from Ezra and Nehemiah.

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Better than some guy on the YouTubes teaching that Luke 10:18, Revelation 12:12, and Isaiah 14:12-15 is Satan coming to earth with a flying saucer. :heeheehee

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Modern Jews are a diverse lot. I think about half of them are Oriental (East Asian as in Chinese etc).

There seems to be some of Edom in there, as well as Khazarian (which I believe the Khazars were a Turkic people?). There are also quite a few who are actually Germanic and Slavic, if I remember correctly.

Any Jews that are actually biologically Israelite (or part Israelite) would be so by accident as it were, being descended from European Gentiles who converted to Judaism or married into Judaism. I hear that history is rather ironic.

But there's something more important involved. A "son" or "daughter" of X isn't just a biological descendant of X, but also a student or follower of X, who follows in X's footsteps. Thus, the Judean Israelites in Christ's day, who persecuted Him, were "not of Abraham" but of their father, the devil.

Modern people who convert to Judaism, which is literally and historically Pharisaism, become the "sons" of those who persecuted and crucified Messiah, according to Jesus they become "two fold more the sons of hell" than their Pharisee teachers.

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God is progressive. The promise to Abraham was that he would be the father of many nations. The law was our school master to bring us to Christ. The gospel was preached to the Jews first and then to the gentiles. Blood was shed and the veil was rent and the way into the holy of holies was given to a generation of kings and priests where there is neither Jew no Greek, male, or female, bond or slave, but all can obey the gospel and enter in. The third temple is the church, there is no other.

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EB - so you are basically saying that because they cannot trace their lineage, then they are not "Biblical" Jews.