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Bro Flame 05-09-2019 11:48 AM

UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Any one here affiliated with these organizations?

As a regular poster here, I know opinions on these denominations vary, but what's some specific thoughts? The pros and cons?

n david 05-09-2019 01:11 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Was born and raised in the UPC.

My father is a licensed UPC minister, but the church he assists is part of the WPF.

Bro Flame 05-09-2019 01:27 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1563622)
Was born and raised in the UPC.

My father is a licensed UPC minister, but the church he assists is part of the WPF.

Forgive me, but what is WPF?

coksiw 05-09-2019 01:36 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1563623)
Forgive me, but what is WPF?

World Pentecostal Fellowship

hometown guy 05-09-2019 01:48 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1563617)
Any one here affiliated with these organizations?

As a regular poster here, I know opinions on these denominations vary, but what's some specific thoughts? The pros and cons?

I was raised upc. Have friends that are wpf, Aljc and wpf. I’m independent and don’t care what card someone carries as long as they love truth and holiness.

Evang.Benincasa 05-09-2019 02:03 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1563623)
Forgive me, but what is WPF?


I always thought it was Wakanda People Forever!!!!

https://i.makeagif.com/media/5-05-2018/zNN1Nl.gif

aegsm76 05-09-2019 03:09 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1563617)
Any one here affiliated with these organizations?

As a regular poster here, I know opinions on these denominations vary, but what's some specific thoughts? The pros and cons?

Our local assembly is technically UPC, but we fellowship more with WPF. I also have several friends who pastor in the ALJC.
Differences?
Not many and exist mainly at the local level.
Overall, I would say that the WPF is more conservative and the ALJC is more liberal. Although there are exceptions in both.

hometown guy 05-09-2019 03:13 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1563631)
Our local assembly is technically UPC, but we fellowship more with WPF. I also have several friends who pastor in the ALJC.
Differences?
Not many and exist mainly at the local level.
Overall, I would say that the WPF is more conservative and the ALJC is more liberal. Although there are exceptions in both.

My opinion ALJC is a mixed bag.

Carl 05-09-2019 04:35 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1563617)
Any one here affiliated with these organizations?

As a regular poster here, I know opinions on these denominations vary, but what's some specific thoughts? The pros and cons?

What about the GIB?

Evang.Benincasa 05-09-2019 05:22 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl (Post 1563639)
What about the GIB?

Green Insect Blood?


https://i.gifer.com/9qAy.gif

hometown guy 05-09-2019 08:20 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Carl (Post 1563639)
What about the GIB?

Lol

CC1 05-09-2019 10:04 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Raised UPC, graduated from a UPC Bible College, have been exUPC for about 36 years.

TakingDominion 05-10-2019 12:40 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1563624)
World Pentecostal Fellowship

WorldWIDE Pentecostal Fellowship

TakingDominion 05-10-2019 12:41 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1563631)
Our local assembly is technically UPC, but we fellowship more with WPF. .

This seems to be happening alot...

diakonos 05-10-2019 12:53 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 

I was with the WWF. Currently with the WWE.

Ehud 05-10-2019 05:22 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1563668)

I was with the WWF. Currently with the WWE.

:yourock

Amanah 05-10-2019 05:45 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
My Pastor is affiliated with UPC. He is almost 80 and is very old time Pentecost.
(The church he formerly pastored was founded by Bro Mangun's Great Grandfather.)
He came to this city to retire and was asked by a neighboring pastor to help start a daughter work which is now independent and self supporting.

Evang.Benincasa 05-10-2019 05:57 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TakingDominion (Post 1563665)
WorldWIDE Pentecostal Fellowship

How many churches do they have in Bosnia?

Where is their church in Japan?

What's the name of the pastor in Greece?

:)

consapente89 05-10-2019 06:11 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1563656)
Raised UPC, graduated from a UPC Bible College, have been exUPC for about 36 years.

And now "exUPC" defines your religious affiliation. That's very interesting. Perhaps you aren't sure what you are...but you know you're NOT UPC!!!!!

I've met a few evangelists for the "exPentecost movement".

consapente89 05-10-2019 06:14 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1563675)
My Pastor is affiliated with UPC. He is almost 80 and is very old time Pentecost.
(The church he formerly pastored was founded by Bro Mangun's Great Grandfather.)
He came to this city to retire and was asked by a neighboring pastor to help start a daughter work which is now independent and self supporting.

Bro D.M. is no longer your pastor?

Amanah 05-10-2019 06:18 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1563681)
Bro D.M. is no longer your pastor?

No he is not, he called back the daughter work he stated in my city.

My current Pastor pastored another daughter work in this city which is now the only Apostolic church in my city.
(the two daughter works were started at the same time, only one remains)

consapente89 05-10-2019 09:21 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1563682)
No he is not, he called back the daughter work he stated in my city.

My current Pastor pastored another daughter work in this city which is now the only Apostolic church in my city.
(the two daughter works were started at the same time, only one remains)

Wow! How is it doing? Don't you live in a pretty metropolitan area???

Amanah 05-10-2019 09:48 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1563705)
Wow! How is it doing? Don't you live in a pretty metropolitan area???

We are doing great, have gone from a daughter work to self supporting and looking for a bigger location.

I live on the Sebastian River, Population 21.9K

consapente89 05-10-2019 10:07 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1563717)
We are doing great, have gone from a daughter work to self supporting and looking for a bigger location.

I live on the Sebastian River, Population 21.9K

PTL!

hometown guy 05-10-2019 12:03 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1563677)
How many churches do they have in Bosnia?

Where is their church in Japan?

What's the name of the pastor in Greece?

:)

The WPF does not have “ churches “ it’s a organization of preachers. But I do know they support missionaries all over the world. The WPF is very revival minded. Although not really my flavor as a whole they are doing great things for the kingdom of God.

Apostolic1ness 05-10-2019 01:21 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Independent

Evang.Benincasa 05-10-2019 01:26 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness (Post 1563742)
Independent

Dependent :thumbsup

Apostolic1ness 05-10-2019 01:31 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1563745)
Dependent :thumbsup

Too much politics and brown nosing is local churches to get positions. Cant imagine that multiplied in a man made organization.

Not against organizations altogether but Jesus didnt die to form an organization.

Evang.Benincasa 05-10-2019 02:40 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness (Post 1563747)
Too much politics and brown nosing is local churches to get positions. Cant imagine that multiplied in a man made organization.

Not against organizations altogether but Jesus didnt die to form an organization.

Dependent on God.

i'm not in an organization.

If I was I would be in the UPCI. :yahoo

Bro Flame 05-10-2019 07:03 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1563624)
World Pentecostal Fellowship

Wow, I feel silly now. I guess I could have Googled it.

Bro Flame 05-10-2019 07:04 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1563625)
I was raised upc. Have friends that are wpf, Aljc and wpf. I’m independent and don’t care what card someone carries as long as they love truth and holiness.

I'm independent myself. I don't particularly care which fellowship, if any, someone operates under as long as they preach and uphold Truth.

Bro Flame 05-10-2019 07:10 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1563631)
Our local assembly is technically UPC, but we fellowship more with WPF. I also have several friends who pastor in the ALJC.
Differences?
Not many and exist mainly at the local level.
Overall, I would say that the WPF is more conservative and the ALJC is more liberal. Although there are exceptions in both.

I know my church supports missionaries affiliated with the WPF.

Occasionally, a preacher fills in during my Pastor's absence, and he's under a pastor and involved in an ALJC congregation. I know he and his family, nor his church for that matter, are as conservative as my church is. It's mostly minor things that opinions always differ on, and considering their spirit is clean and humble, I love them and see no issues with their lifestyles.

From the feel I've gotten, the ALJC have the "liberal vibe" in Apostolicism. They are holiness, but their expectations may, for the lack of a better word, be lower than the UPC, the WPF, and many independent fellowships and ministries.

Bro Flame 05-10-2019 07:11 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1563656)
Raised UPC, graduated from a UPC Bible College, have been exUPC for about 36 years.

"Ex-UPC" ..... meaning?

hometown guy 05-10-2019 08:10 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1563773)
I'm independent myself. I don't particularly care which fellowship, if any, someone operates under as long as they preach and uphold Truth.

:thumbsup

Evang.Benincasa 05-10-2019 09:45 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1563775)
"Ex-UPC" ..... meaning?

It means he is no longer saved.

Is that what you were looking for?

Seriously, it means what it says, ex comes from the Greek έξω meaning out. Therefore ex-UPC would mean he left the organization to join a church where the ministers preach barefoot. I think from what I read over the years from his posts he had traumatic experiences where he wan't allowed to play card games, or monopoly. Was never allowed to remove his shoes during service. had to wear white gloves, and a top hat. Also he had to hitch his buggy and horse across the street from the church. He also wasn't allowed running water, or electricity because flowing things were of the devil. He had to cut his hair in a tonsure and had to shave his face including his eyebrows.

Bro Flame 05-13-2019 07:53 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1563782)
It means he is no longer saved.

Is that what you were looking for?

Seriously, it means what it says, ex comes from the Greek έξω meaning out. Therefore ex-UPC would mean he left the organization to join a church where the ministers preach barefoot. I think from what I read over the years from his posts he had traumatic experiences where he wan't allowed to play card games, or monopoly. Was never allowed to remove his shoes during service. had to wear white gloves, and a top hat. Also he had to hitch his buggy and horse across the street from the church. He also wasn't allowed running water, or electricity because flowing things were of the devil. He had to cut his hair in a tonsure and had to shave his face including his eyebrows.

Well, I didn't know by "ex" if he meant "anti" in any way.

It seems he just isn't with a denomination anymore.

jediwill83 05-13-2019 11:55 AM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1564003)
Well, I didn't know by "ex" if he meant "anti" in any way.

It seems he just isn't with a denomination anymore.




Man is allowed to not associate with a group and or organization and not be at war with them....its in the manual somewhere...I think.

Antipas 05-13-2019 01:14 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1563617)
Any one here affiliated with these organizations?

As a regular poster here, I know opinions on these denominations vary, but what's some specific thoughts? The pros and cons?

I've attended UPCI and ALJC churches but today I'm independent. UPCI is said to be more conservative than ALJC. But that doesn't mean that there aren't liberal UPCI or conservative ALJC churches.

I believe that when Christianity started in Judea it was a fellowship. When Christianity spread to Greece it became a philosophy. When it spread into Italy, it became an institution. When it finally saturated Europe, Christianity became a culture. And after spreading to America, Christianity became an enterprise.

I see these organizations as simply incorporated franchises of Apostolic Christianity.

n david 05-13-2019 02:13 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Antipas (Post 1564020)
I believe that when Christianity started in Judea it was a fellowship. When Christianity spread to Greece it became a philosophy. When it spread into Italy, it became an institution. When it finally saturated Europe, Christianity became a culture. And after spreading to America, Christianity became an enterprise.

I've read this online on a lot of different websites. It's true though.

Evang.Benincasa 05-13-2019 08:42 PM

Re: UPC, ALJC, PAW, etc.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Antipas (Post 1564020)
I've attended UPCI and ALJC churches but today I'm independent. UPCI is said to be more conservative than ALJC. But that doesn't mean that there aren't liberal UPCI or conservative ALJC churches.

I believe that when Christianity started in Judea it was a fellowship. When Christianity spread to Greece it became a philosophy. When it spread into Italy, it became an institution. When it finally saturated Europe, Christianity became a culture. And after spreading to America, Christianity became an enterprise.

I see these organizations as simply incorporated franchises of Apostolic Christianity.

imagine that in this day and age, prejudice against iTALIANS.
What do you mean it became an institution? You think Italians go around creating institutions? Meanwhile the Greeks sit around all day drinking ouzo, and playing with komboloi. Yeah, the Greeks big philosophers, meanwhile the Italians are busy doing the work, getting things done. But do they get positive credit? No, that is reserved for Greeks, drinking coffee, playing cards, tossing komboloi. Listen, if it wasn't for the Italians you would all be in mud huts painting your skin blue. :heeheehee


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