Mental Health Issues and Demonic Oppression
 

Seeings how others did not want to start this thread, I guess I will.

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How many believe that demonic oppression/ possession are possible causes of mental illness?

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Definitely possible in many, though not in all cases.

Also, "mental illness" how now been expanded to include anything not in line with GloboHomo Clown World™ so the term is rapidly losing all meaning.

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what do YOU believe about it? :icecream

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Nope.. not in the context of the modern term "mental illness".

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Okay... modern context, lets see.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-...s/syc-20374968

Here is the first paragraph.

Mental illness, also called mental health disorders, refers to a wide range of mental health conditions — disorders that affect your mood, thinking and behavior. Examples of mental illness include depression, anxiety disorders, schizophrenia, eating disorders and addictive behaviors.

Lets take these here and look at them in light of the Word of God. bro Bandy...

Depression - The spirit of heaviness is mentioned by name in the book. This is the spirit of depression that is also linked up with a spirit of witchcraft...

Isa 61:3 To appoint unto them that mourn in Zion, to give unto them beauty for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; that they might be called trees of righteousness, the planting of the LORD, that he might be glorified.

Anxiety disorders - This would be fear?

2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

Schizophrenia - Hearing voices in the head, multiple personalities... Hmmmmm. Aren't we made in the image of God? Isn't God one? So we are one not many. If there are voices in the head wouldn't that be......... something else? What else? How about.... a devil!!!!

Definitely spiritual in nature!

Remember legion for we are many?

Eating disorders -

Addictive behaviors - Would that be like a spirit of bondage?

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

Just a start....

Back to you Bandy.

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Can you show were depression is linked to witchcraft in the scriptures? Can you also provide scripture for an eating disorder is linked to a spirit of bondage?

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What has changed? This is not a new phenomenon. Ministry has always been under attack, always had stressful issues and discouraging situations. Yet only in the past decade or so are we hearing of ministers and saints on mood altering drugs or ministers committing suicide.

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not sure what the problem is, but I can say I dont think folks pray now like the used to.
I think it was a Verbal Bean book I read that he made the comment that his elders at the time believed that a person wouldnt make it if they didnt pray at least three hours a day. Bro. Bean said he believed that a person wouldnt make it if they didnt pray at least one hour a day.

I wander what that has dwindled down to in our generation.

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It's said Americans have an average of 2 Bibles in their homes, and yet the overwhelming majority don't read either at all.

With all the entertainment and distractions, I would be surprised if most Apo/Pente saints prayed an hour each day. I know I don't. I should. I could claim that working 9 hours every day and then going home to help with the kids and get dinner/clean up/put kids to bed doesn't give me the time. But I could/should make time.

We have internet, Netflix, YouTube, mobile phones, work, etc.

Yes, we need to pray more. And by "we," I mean "me."

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:thumbsup

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Altho we cannot scripturally say one must pray a certain amount a day it seems to be a principal that if we draw near to God he will draw near to us. The Charismatic Church where I was baptized into the name of Jesus taught 3 hours a day.

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What has dwindled down?

Nothing.

If you ain’t seeing anything then draw a circle around you and start there.
I like you a lot, and I’m not saying this as any offense to you. But please listen to this. I once sat in a service where an old elder said he wanted to see revival in his time. Which is basic, but he went on to say that pray, move of the Holy Ghost isn’t like it was in old time. I thought to my self, where has this Brother not been? Holy Ghost moves start with YOU. Power packed prayer starts with YOU. True flamethrower revival starts with YOU. There was a recent post which said “is there any Christians on this forum?” When in my opinion you should of said “am I the ONLY Christian here?” Because isn’t that what it is all about? If you do the best you can do, and I do my part as we follow Jesus Christ, won’t we get there?

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I understand and agree with what you posted about things starting with us, but I don't agree with your response of "nothing" has dwindled down.

Do you believe Christians are as committed as they were back in the day? I don't. And yes, I include myself when answering the question and understand that I need to focus on myself and my family.

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Christians in the plural isn’t what I’m talking about. The drawn circle around us is all that matters. Everything must begin with us being on fire. Anything I ever wanted in my life it was me who needed to make the decision to act and carry it out. I always remember my church Brother Noah Goldberg running around with his Bible opened up to the book of Acts. He kept asking all the elders when we will do all the things in the book of Acts. When he got to me I just said to him “do it!” He and his wife went and did it. All night prayer meetings before we would have service. Great Holy Ghost services. Christians? No, Christian. You make the difference. You are the movement, you are the change.

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Oh Bro. Benincasa! That means that I cant hide in the crowd and give lip service! You mean I gotta actually obey the voice of the Lord myself and personally obey?


Sounds like there is some "collectivist" mindsets we need to separate ourselves from...this "gotta get it done through the group"


Makes you wonder if when the scripture says,"Lord didnt "we" do this in thy name?"


If the "we" being referred to is referencing themselves personally or a group they identified with that they just said "Since I belong to this group that does such and such Im automatically credited for doing those things even though I never really personally did them myself...."



Same with "revival"...


You can sit around waiting on the right sermon to be preached...the right song to be sung...the right youth leader to be hired...but what really matters is what we do as individuals...God doesnt grade on the curve...it will never be about what someone else did or didnt do but what YOU *me* did or didnt do.

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Bro, you must be out there praying WITH those who need it.
Book of Acts still working through YOU! :thumbsup

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:thumbsup

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I agree with you for the most part, but being in leadership at our local assembly I must provoke my brothers and sisters to decide for themselves to flame up and I'm seeing God do great things. Im not ashamed to say Bro. Im on fire.

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People care more about what you actually do. More than anything you will ever say. That is what will provoke some. You are the most important one to provoke to good works. Inspire all around you by being the hottest fire ever! In Jesus name!

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Not sure you're reading the same posts as I am, because I haven't read any posts in this thread as described above. Are you addressing a specific post or just typing thoughts based on interactions with others not in this thread?

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I understand Christians in plural isn't what you were addressing; however, the plural is what was being addressed in the post first in my post here:

A1 responded with this:
And you then replied to A1 by changing the subject to individual responsibility -- which I don't believe anyone would argue your point.

But would you agree that things are not the same as they once were? People aren't as committed as in past decades. People are more distracted by jobs and entertainment than in previous decades.

Back to the topic of the thread and I'll pose my original question to you: What has changed? This is not a new phenomenon. Ministry has always been under attack, always had stressful issues and discouraging situations. Yet only in the past decade or so are we hearing of ministers and saints on mood altering drugs or ministers committing suicide. Why do you believe this is?

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Short Answer.. from the research I have done I would contribute 50% of the problem to DIET!!

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Please explain. You're saying from what you've read, mental illness could be traced to diet?

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referring to what people preach and teach mixed with luxury, entertainment, and laziness.
but there is that problem in every generation im sure.

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I am referring to the things we put in our mouth and into our body!

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"""Recent studies have shown "the risk of depression increases about 80% when you compare teens with the lowest-quality diet, or what we call the Western diet, to those who eat a higher-quality, whole-foods diet. The risk of attention-deficit disorder (ADD) doubles," Ramsey says."""

"""There is also interest in the possible role food allergies may play in schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, she says."""

"""Here are some more details on how good nutrition impacts brain health:

1. It's crucial for brain development.

"We are, quite literally, what we eat," says Roxanne Sukol, MD, preventive medicine specialist at Cleveland Clinic's Wellness Institute. "When we eat real food that nourishes us, it becomes the protein-building blocks, enzymes, brain tissue, and neurotransmitters that transfer information and signals between various parts of the brain and body."

2. Itputs the brain into grow mode.

Certain nutrients and dietary patterns are linked to changes in a brain protein that helps increase connections between brain cells. A diet rich in nutrients like omega-3s and zinc boosts levels of this substance.

On the other hand, "a diet high in saturated fats and refined sugars has a very potent negative impact on brain proteins," Jacka says.

3. It fills the gut with healthy bacteria.

And that's good for the brain. Trillions of good bacteria live in the gut. They fend off bad germs and keep your immune system in check, which means they help tame inflammation in the body. Some gut germs even help make brain-powering B vitamins.

Foods with beneficial bacteria (probiotics) help maintain a healthy gut environment, or "biome." "A healthier microbiome is going to decrease inflammation, which affects mood and cognition," Ramsey says.

A high-fat or high-sugar diet is bad for gut health and, therefore, your brain. Some research hints that a high-sugar diet worsens schizophrenia symptoms, too."""

• B vitamins. People with low B12 levels have more brain inflammation and higher rates of depression and dementia. Falling short on folate has long been linked to low moods.
• Iron. Too little iron in the blood (iron-deficiency anemia) has been linked to depression.
• Omega-3s. These healthy fatty acids improve thinking and memory and, possibly, mood.
• Zinc. This nutrient helps control the body's response to stress. Low levels can cause depression. A great source is oysters, which pack 500% of your daily need of zinc but have just 10 calories apiece, Ramsey says. Mussels, which are rich in brain-healthy selenium, are also a good choice.

https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/...ental-health#1

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People have always been distracted with life, nothing has changed. People are dead heads who are apt to get religious. They cool down and cool off. Meanwhile one in the group gets on fire and then gets a wet blanket attack. Ministers have always been attacked, but while others go for mother's little helper, there are always that small few who are on their knees bombarding heaven.

I heard about ministers on mind meds going way back. One down in Miami was cleaning his gun and ended up shooting himself in the head. There was an old brother in the ALJC (he was over their book store) he wrote a book on this. He told me himself that he went to leap off a bridge. Yet, he knew it was a devil. Not a plate of hot wings and blue cheese dressing, but a devil. When we are doing what we do, we need to realize it isn't diet which is coming against us, because we wrestle not against chili cheese dogs, demonic forces in high places.

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Americans and westerners in general have been brain damaged by vaccines, poisons in the food supply, medications, and a crippling public education system (K through college), a non stop media onslaught of mind crippling propaganda, cell tower radiation, dithering in the digital broadcasts and lcd screens, good old fashioned fluoride in the water, heavy metals toxicity, aspartame, and so on and etc. Wait till 5G and 6G get rolled out in force, we haven't seen anything yet. HG Wells wasn't writing pure science fiction (he was a Fabian socialist very active in promoting the fundamental transformation of society to the humanists' high tech utopian paradise, as was Huxley).

This of course has affected the last several generations of people coming into the church. We are witnessing the rise of the Eloi and the creation of the Idiocracy.

And, all of it goes back to Deut 28.

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Eloi created by soy.

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Some of this is from interactions with Benincasa...discussions we have had...some some sarcasm just emerging due to stress and personal stuff Im dealing with and some was actually a legit point about how the people come to Jesus using "we"..."Didnt WE do this..." but my personal observational experience has been that there are some that DO and some that dont and the ones that dont seem to be fine with riding the coattails of the ones that do.


It just made me wonder because I used to put so much stock in what group I belonged to...I could just really do nothing as long as I went through the motions and said all the right words but I never really obeyed God...it was more about obeying the cheerleader of the moment.


It was all about looking and sounding the part.


In a way, being in the group hidden...a part of me kinda took credit for people that WERE obeying God and being obedient....they belong to the same group I belong to...the "church" is spoken of as a sort of collective...when there is scandal we all feel shame and when good things happen we all rejoiced. We were a part even if only just being a part in name and organizational belonging only.


So with those thoughts in mind I reapproached that scripture Ive heard preached in only one context for so many years.


I was just thinking "out loud" really...not trying to start anything...I literally got the thought as I was making the post and just went with it because some thoughts I have are fleeting and I need to get them out to remember them.





The scripture says that individuals will come to Jesus in judgement and say,"Didnt WE do this in thy name?"


Maybe I need to just do some looking into the tenses used or something I dunno but at first glance it seems that they SHOULD be saying,"Lord, remember those people I prayed for and they got healed and those demons I cast out?"



But at the risk of beating a dead horse....they use "we" which makes me think that maybe Christ is addressing those that hide in the group, not active but take credit...kinda like,"Hey! I wore the jersy! I attended all the games! I cheered!" But they werent actually on the field playing...and now they show up wanting their trophy and Coach is kicking em out of the stadium.

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"""Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?"""

I interpret the reason for "we" as because of the first word "many."

But you bring up an interesting point, because the culmination of the passage is "I never knew you."

I've always interpreted the passage as individuals saying what they did in His Name and Him saying He never knew them. However, I could see it as individuals speaking about what a group did and Jesus saying I never knew YOU.

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Yeah I had basically heard it used as a stick to justify bashing other groups that may do some things but arent fully in "truth".


I know Im all over the place with comments at times but thats kinda how my mind processes stuff...its kinda difficult to turn off...occasionally though Ill get traction on a out of the box kinda idea that seems to have some merit.

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I've also heard it used in sermons about Trinitarians who will do many things, but will be told "I never knew you" because they've denied Him.

I believe that is a very valid point, though not only for Trinitarians, but many who claim Him but don't have a personal relationship with Him.

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As usual you miss the point.

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This is more inline with my point.

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I am not going to take the time to find the post EB has made about "just lift and eat right" but he has made this comment a few times on this forum. Its easy to see the results of a bad diet in the form of obesity or gout or high blood pressure. What I do not understand is if a person like EB does believe that diet can affect the physicality how does he not believe that it does not affect the mental state? The list that Esias gave is a good example of things that are proven to have affects on mentality. There are hundreds of blind and double blind studies you can pull and see the results. Any way this is an exercise in futility..... so later gators....

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Wow! I never heard this said before. Could well be the key.

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"""Anti-Depressant Drugs is Forbidden by God!! Christians BEWARE!!!!!!"""
You will go to hell if you take anti-depressant drugs. That's what she said... :hmmm

Equates these drugs to sorcery and witchcraft.

Says the number one gateway to mental illness is unforgiveness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sigiw8-Wras

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"""Warning to Pastors Who Take Anti Depressant Drugs and Teach their Followers its Okay Antidepressants"""

"If you have taught your followers it's okay to take anti-depressant drugs, God will hold you accountable for your followers practicing sorcery and witchcraft."

"You must repent"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d__2BtkRnqM