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Bro Flame 07-12-2019 07:04 AM

Different Types of Apostolic Churches
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InW0kbQ0K1o&t=382s

I found this video some time ago on YouTube, and I felt like sharing it here. Would you agree with this man's generalizations of the varying types of Apostolic churches among us?

Michael The Disciple 07-12-2019 09:09 AM

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Saw this a while back. My experience may be more limited among them but the ones I HAVE seen or heard of SEEM to be pretty much the same.

Bro Flame 07-15-2019 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1567866)
Saw this a while back. My experience may be more limited among them but the ones I HAVE seen or heard of SEEM to be pretty much the same.

All the churches you know of seem to be similar?

Michael The Disciple 07-15-2019 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1568205)
All the churches you know of seem to be similar?

Pretty much. On foundation doctrine they teach Acts 2:38 and of course Oneness. Almost all believe in immortal soul and never ending torment in Hell. Almost all teach pre trib rapture. The very few that teach post trib (in my experience) never mention it.

I was driving 75 miles one way to a Church that believes in post trib. After around 5 months the Pastor had never taught on it once or even mentioned it. We had simultaneously been attending a Church on and off in our area 12 miles away. They were pre trib.

Both of these Pastors teach almost the same message all the time. You could not tell any difference between the two so we gave up on the one 75 miles away.

Both groups oppose beards on men. One told me he does not "favor" beards the other allows them but in a "platform standards" context. Both of them oppose women trimming hair and or wearing pants.

Neither one of them teach Biblical perfection.

The praise and worship is almost exactly the same. Mostly contemporary music trying to mix in an "Apostolic" feel.

There is no testimony time in either group. People are exhorted to witness to the lost but there is no outreach strategy. A few women in the pre trib Church do a Church Bus ministry for children.

diakonos 07-15-2019 10:28 AM

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Pretty much. On foundation doctrine they teach Acts 2:38 and of course Oneness. Almost all believe in immortal soul and never ending torment in Hell. Almost all teach pre trib rapture. The very few that teach post trib (in my experience) never mention it.
Fairly accurate assessment.

Ktc1jesus 07-16-2019 01:11 PM

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There are a few little apostolic churches in my area and they are usually less than 50 people, the revelation of Jesus is preached and that is great but legalism steps in and before the fish gets in the boat they try and clean them up they feed them steak instead of milk and it runs them off, somebody coming in from a life of drugs or sexual perversion needs a little time to grow but if they see a lady in a short shirt that is the sermon a man with a beard or long hair it’s about hair and a shame That turned me off from those church’s but not the revelation of Jesus Christ and Acts 2:38 nobody can take that truth from me let God change the heart of a person and if showed love one of the greatest commandments then they might add that fish to the tank

Michael The Disciple 07-16-2019 02:02 PM

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Hi KTC,

Welcome to the forum! Are you still going to an Apostolic Church?

Ktc1jesus 07-16-2019 05:15 PM

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No I’m visiting different churches mostly Church of God’s they believe in the Holy Ghost and are mostly older people who know how to really worship and allow God to move

Bro Flame 07-17-2019 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Ktc1jesus (Post 1568262)
There are a few little apostolic churches in my area and they are usually less than 50 people, the revelation of Jesus is preached and that is great but legalism steps in and before the fish gets in the boat they try and clean them up they feed them steak instead of milk and it runs them off, somebody coming in from a life of drugs or sexual perversion needs a little time to grow but if they see a lady in a short shirt that is the sermon a man with a beard or long hair it’s about hair and a shame That turned me off from those church’s but not the revelation of Jesus Christ and Acts 2:38 nobody can take that truth from me let God change the heart of a person and if showed love one of the greatest commandments then they might add that fish to the tank

It isn't uncommon that stories like these surface. I know that some Apostolic churches get caught up in cleaning the fish before its battered. They want them to look "holy", but don't seem to show great concern for their inner holiness.

That's sad. Inner and outer holiness are equally essential. The Lord requires both. Let the babies come in, give them milk, and let the Holy Ghost and preacher's guidance do the rest. They'll get there, some faster than others.

Now, standards are a different discussion. I, for one, was against "church standards" for a long time, but no longer. We need them. It's important for our pastors to set standards for their pulpits as to what is and isn't alright to stand in front of the congregation. If the standards in the pulpit fall, it won't be long and the standards in the pews will be lower, too.

No new convert will have standards higher than someone on the platform. It's not going to happen.

We need to allow people to grow and fall in love with separation, holiness, and modesty, not choke them with it. I've been there. I rejected any kind of holiness at one time because I hung around with a crowd that believed holiness was consumed with outward standards and convictions. That's certainly a part of it, but love comes first and foremost.

Bro Flame 07-17-2019 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ktc1jesus (Post 1568277)
No I’m visiting different churches mostly Church of God’s they believe in the Holy Ghost and are mostly older people who know how to really worship and allow God to move

The Church of God churches in my area have went astray, and badly.

No holiness. No separation. Rare, if any, move of God or the spiritual gifts. They've backslid.

I'd encourage to find a Bible-preaching, Holy Ghost-filled Apostolic church that preaches the Truth with love and compassion for lost souls.

Ktc1jesus 07-17-2019 07:23 PM

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Believe me I have tried to find a Apostolic church and I sat under apostolic preachers and my pastor passed away Bishop WL Clayton and he taught me the truth and it’s in me and that will never leave but I think most don’t believe there is a Acts 2:39 I’ve been screamed at spit on had my neck snapped back heard about the Easter Bunny Santa Claus Halloween TV etc etc and that’s all the ones in my city talk about

Ktc1jesus 07-17-2019 07:30 PM

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The Church of God I visit occasionally speak in tongues heard tongues and interpretation but it’s a older congregation so they have experienced the moving of the Holy Ghost but the other ones have big crowds big choirs 3 services and seems like they put God on a time clock and rush people out to get the next crowd in no altar calls no moving of the Holy Ghost but grab a Latte and donut and enjoy the show

Praxeas 07-18-2019 12:20 AM

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Church of Gods?
:slaphappy

Bro Flame 07-18-2019 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ktc1jesus (Post 1568368)
The Church of God I visit occasionally speak in tongues heard tongues and interpretation but it’s a older congregation so they have experienced the moving of the Holy Ghost but the other ones have big crowds big choirs 3 services and seems like they put God on a time clock and rush people out to get the next crowd in no altar calls no moving of the Holy Ghost but grab a Latte and donut and enjoy the show

There's a fairly large Church of God church not far from where I grew up. I wouldn't be scared to guess their regular Sunday morning attendance is close to 250 or better. That may not seem like a large number to some, but for my town, it certainly is.

Any way, I remember having heard talk from my former babysitter, an older woman I affectionately call Nana. Well, Nana said she talked to this woman from this COG and asked her why they didn't wear skirts all the time any more. The woman told her because the new pastor didn't believe it was wrong, but she had kept all her skirts just in case another pastor went back to teaching it was wrong one day.

I was like what?

My Nana, who has never been a church-going woman, said she looked at her puzzled and asked her how come it wasn't wrong anymore. The woman gave no solid explanation beyond the new preacher didn't say anything about it.

Now, this COG I speak of is beautiful. It's sanctuary could easily sit 600 people, if not more. Years ago they held huge Easter and Christmas programs about the life of Christ. They were beautiful and very moving; the singing and productions were grand, kind of like something Sister Aimee laid out for her Angelus Temple productions back in the 1920s and 1930s, I'd say. People from all different denominations would bring their churches and youth groups to these services. At the conclusion, there was almost always an altar call where people were invited to come and give their lives to the Lord. I remember hundreds of people flooding the altars and crying out to God.

That all changed when the former pastor resigned and a younger guy took his place. They go Facebook Live during their Sunday services, and I've watched a few of them. They're basically your run-of-the-mill Charismatic church with a lit platform, dim sanctuary, and no separation standard whatsoever.

It's sad.

Evang.Benincasa 07-18-2019 01:50 PM

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You are all a bunch of Trinitarian enablers. :foottap

Bro Flame 07-19-2019 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1568421)
You are all a bunch of Trinitarian enablers. :foottap

Been accused of being worse.
:heeheehee:heeheehee:heeheehee


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