Originally Posted by n david (Post 1570841)

The gun is the least of the issues in this story ...

Seriously.

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1570850)

:thumbsup :yourock

When are people going to realize that the problem with a gun lies in who holds it, not the gun itself?

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1570851)

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GTSY Kept!

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1570850)

:thumbsup :yourock

When are people going to realize that the problem with a gun lies in who holds it, not the gun itself?

Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1570904)

So you are saying that here the people are the problem?

The gun did not add to the situation at all?

According to the article she left and went out to "get her gun" and take care of the situation.

How many apostolics have the same attitude even here on AFF?

Bless God I'll just shoot them!

What happened to the message of peace?

I said on another thread that the after effects of a shooting is more than some want to deal with!

The negative of this situation is going to radiate out for a long time in that city and that county.

Every time this minister and his wife try to reach someone now that is going to be hanging over their head.

Could you have imagined if she had actually shot that other woman?

Some here like the Louis Lamour idea of quick draw mcgraw in the church but the actual fallout is a whole lot bigger than they think.

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1570907)

If you think a church having security measures in any way equates to some idiot pastors wife grabbing her gun to "handle" something then you go to church with people a lot stupider than I do.

A stupid person can do a stupid thing anytime anywhere regardless of any official policy. Saying churches should not have security because of this woman is like saying people should not drive cars because drunk drivers kill people.

Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1570904)

So you are saying that here the people are the problem?

Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1570904)

The gun did not add to the situation at all?

According to the article she left and went out to "get her gun" and take care of the situation.

Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1570904)

How many apostolics have the same attitude even here on AFF?

Bless God I'll just shoot them!

Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1570904)

Every time this minister and his wife try to reach someone now that is going to be hanging over their head.

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1570911)

Uhm ... YES! Especially the Pastor's wife, if the article is accurate.


The gun was a tool, that's it. Had she not had a gun, she would have gone to the kitchen for a knife or used some other weapon. The problem was the Pastor's wife, not the gun. The gun would have remained in the car if not for the Pastor's wife flipping out.


Dear Lord, I hope not!


Actions have consequences. Honestly, this is enough to warrant the organization to have a chat with the Pastor and strongly suggest that Pastoring a church probably isn't their ministry, if this is how his wife reacts to issues.

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1570912)

Here is another news outlets reporting of the incident. Looks like they first tried to cover up what happened with some story about her having a seizure as she was getting something out of her purse and the gun accidently discharged. The police report is that when her husband saw she had grabbed her gun he was trying to take it away from her when it discharged. Wow! Talk about a woman show would seem destined to blow up her husbands ministry. She clearly has issues.

https://woay.tv/wife-of-a-pastor-in-...-pastors-wife/

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1570921)

Looked for the church on FB, found a post from August 22nd:

"""Great church again tonight! Such a wonderful loving spirit of JESUS! Preached on “ Just Trust JESUS”

Love fixes everything that is why JESUS died on the the cross so just relax and Trust JESUS!"""

There was one comment: "But watch out for the guns."

smh :toofunny

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...59115937646540

Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1570835)

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Now these people might be the greatest people in the world but look at the negative that goes with guns and the church.

Now all the pro-church gunners want to bring up hypothetical situations? This is a real world situation where the event went sour and could have went very very bad.

Again, these might be great people, but think of the negative now that that church and the ministry there has to overcome.

Think of the bad reputation and the stigma now in that city that has to be lived with.

Sorry folks, it is not worth it.

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1570944)

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1570947)

Y u no utube like a boss?

lol

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1570949)

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1570952)

I think its the same people. Hamblin sounds familiar.

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1570937)

This was not at a service. It was a meeting on a Saturday between the pastor and his wife with the youth pastor and his wife, because the pastor's wife had a beef with the youth pastor's wife, apparently over standards of all things. They got into a harpy screeching contest and the pastor's wife marched out to the parking lot and got her gun. Pastor apparently tried to disarm her and the gun discharged as a result. That's kind of what happens when two people wrestle with a firearm.

There are obviously some serious issues between the two women. From my experience dealing with human beings, I strongly suspect the pastor's wife thought the youth pastor's wife was anglin' for the pastor and that was the source of her obvious rage. As this was in West Virginia I wouldn't be surprised if everyone involved is cheating on/with everyone and lots of meth might be in play as well.

A snake handling oneness church with connections in W.Va. imploded several years ago because the pastor was cheating on his wife with another minister's wife, and the pastor's wife was having an affair with said minister, several others in the church were having affairs with multiple persons, and everybody was on meth. Pastor I think went to jail, and their church youtube page became a minor sensation.

Most people who carry do so in case they run into people like this.

Originally Posted by Monterrey (Post 1570906)

I was at a church preaching in the last year, won't say where, where some in the church carry. They even have CCW classes in that church to get their people prepared to carry.

So the pastor is telling me about an incident that had just happened where his wife is looking out her window and sees a man in the back yard. She calls her daughter who also carries and tells her to 'get over here and bring your pistol".

The pastor's wife goes out, with her pistol, and confronts the man! She thought he was a prowler. He was a phone repair man who was there on legitimate business!

About that time the daughter shows up with her pistol! So now we have two scared women, holding guns on this guy, he is about ready to wet his pants, and then the pastor shows up!

He deescalates the problem but the guy is almost crying because these two women, carrying guns and waving them around looked like they were going to shoot him!

Now, if a pastor's wife and daughter were quick to pull guns in a situation like this, think about some of the knuckleheads in these congregation who think they are relatives to the sacketts!

I absolutely believe that some of these churches are going to be sued over things like this when some demon possessed person comes into a service, some over anxious usher with a .40 auto pulls it on him, and then the fun is going to begin.

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1570989)

Article says it was an argument over a themed t-shirt the youth pastors wife wore. YP's wife quoted as saying argument wasn't about an affair

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1570937)

This was not at a service. It was a meeting on a Saturday between the pastor and his wife with the youth pastor and his wife, because the pastor's wife had a beef with the youth pastor's wife, apparently over standards of all things. They got into a harpy screeching contest and the pastor's wife marched out to the parking lot and got her gun. Pastor apparently tried to disarm her and the gun discharged as a result. That's kind of what happens when two people wrestle with a firearm.

There are obviously some serious issues between the two women. From my experience dealing with human beings, I strongly suspect the pastor's wife thought the youth pastor's wife was anglin' for the pastor and that was the source of her obvious rage. As this was in West Virginia I wouldn't be surprised if everyone involved is cheating on/with everyone and lots of meth might be in play as well.

A snake handling oneness church with connections in W.Va. imploded several years ago because the pastor was cheating on his wife with another minister's wife, and the pastor's wife was having an affair with said minister, several others in the church were having affairs with multiple persons, and everybody was on meth. Pastor I think went to jail, and their church youtube page became a minor sensation.

Most people who carry do so in case they run into people like this.

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1570921)

Looked for the church on FB, found a post from August 22nd:

"""Great church again tonight! Such a wonderful loving spirit of JESUS! Preached on “ Just Trust JESUS”

Love fixes everything that is why JESUS died on the the cross so just relax and Trust JESUS!"""

There was one comment: "But watch out for the guns."

smh :toofunny

https://www.facebook.com/permalink.p...59115937646540

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 1570931)

Sad but funny. After a situation like this I am afraid this pastor and his wife need to move on and let the church have a fresh start with a new pastor and wife. I feel bad for them but they have to do what is best for the body of Christ.

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1570998)

What if this had not been a pastor's wife but just some lady in any neighborhood? By Monterrey's logic, nobody should have a gun at home to defend themselves because someone might be mistaken for an intruder and shot. "Message of peace", would apply in every home.

Originally Posted by votivesoul (Post 1571115)

One nutty situation well outside the bell-curve of statistical normalcy is not something upon which to gender a proliferate precedent.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1571047)

So, what are you saying about people who won't have a gun in their home?

I've been mugged twice in my neighborhood. Borth times right down the block. How would the outcome change if I had a gun? My Cannondale bicycle blocked most of the kicks to my head and face. Yet, the attack was from behind and I had the bicycle. I mean no disrespect, but how many movies do you all watch?

Gun theory takes more than a gun and ammo. It takes training of the mind, and being tactically ready at any given moment. While PawPaw, while laying in bed, may be ready to swing a 45 over MeeMaw to shoot an attacker dead. MeeMaw may not have those capabilities.

This is a bloody mess, and while media sacres the Holy Ghost out of us, we really need to get some advice from Jesus on what we should do.

Originally Posted by Apostolic1ness (Post 1571392)

I pack a 40 cal s&w shield, My wife has a hammer-less 38 special revolver, There is a 12 gauge within reach of my side of the bed "which is the side closest to the bedroom door".
I have never been in a safety meeting at the church but I know there are several guns floating around at any given service.

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1471336)

https://theonomyresources.blogspot.c...dition-of.html

"From "The Sabbath in Puritan New England"

For many years after the settlement of New England the Puritans, even in outwardly tranquil times, went armed to meeting; and to sanctify the Sunday gun-loading they were expressly forbidden to fire off their charges at any object on that day save an Indian or a wolf, their two "greatest inconveniencies."

...

"In 1640 it was ordered in Massachusetts that in every township the attendants at church should carry a "competent number of peeces, fixed and compleat with powder and shot and swords every Lords-day to the meeting-house;" one armed man from each household was then thought advisable and necessary for public safety. In 1642 six men with muskets and powder and shot were thought sufficient for protection for each church. In Connecticut similar mandates were issued, and as the orders were neglected "by divers persones," a law was passed in 1643 that each offender should forfeit twelve pence for each offence. In 1644 a fourth part of the "trayned hand" was obliged to come armed each Sabbath, and the sentinels were ordered to keep their matches constantly lighted for use in their match-locks. They were also commanded to wear armor, which consisted of "coats basted with cotton-wool, and thus made defensive against Indian arrows." In 1650 so much dread and fear were felt of Sunday attacks from the red men that the Sabbath-Day guard was doubled in number. In 1692, the Connecticut Legislature ordered one fifth of the soldiers in each town to come armed to each meeting, and that nowhere should be present as a guard at time of public worship fewer than eight soldiers and a sergeant."

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"In Concord, New Hampshire, the men, who all came armed to meeting, stacked their muskets around a post in the middle of the church, while the honored pastor, who was a good shot and owned the best gun in the settlement, preached with his treasured weapon in the pulpit by his side, ready from his post of vantage to blaze away at any red man whom he saw sneaking without, or to lead, if necessary, his congregation to battle. The church in York, Maine, until the year 1746, felt it necessary to retain the custom of carrying arms to the meeting-house, so plentiful and so aggressive were Maine Indians.

Not only in the time of Indian wars were armed men seen in the meeting-house, but on June 17, 1775, the Provincial Congress recommended that the men "within twenty miles of the sea-coast carry their arms and ammunition with them to meeting on the Sabbath and other days when they meet for public worship." And on many a Sabbath and Lecture Day, during the years of war that followed, were proved the wisdom and foresight of that suggestion.

The men in those old days of the seventeenth century, when in constant dread of attacks by Indians, always rose when the services were ended and left the house before the women and children, thus making sure the safe exit of the latter. This custom prevailed from habit until a late date in many churches in New England, all the men, after the benediction and the exit of the parson, walking out in advance of the women. So also the custom of the men always sitting at the "head" or door of the pew arose from the early necessity of their always being ready to seize their arms and rush unobstructed to fight."

Alice Morse Earle, The Sabbath in Puritan New England (NY: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1891), 19-25.

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1571438)

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