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Bro Flame 09-12-2019 11:43 AM
The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
https://martynballestero.com/2011/03...ed-backslider/

Basically this brother's saying that backsliders today posses as different attitude about themselves. They don't feel any conviction for their backsliding to the things of this world, but yet feel defensive of their new lifestyle.

What y'all think?

Evang.Benincasa 09-12-2019 03:06 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
I rarely cut off backsliders, which means I still meet with them, even work with them at times.Yet, they know they aren't right, they know they are contrary to Jesus Christ. They make sure they don't do certain things (or say) in front of me out of respect. I have had some return and some return for visits, but that is only possible because of a relationship. They know if they need me I'm there.
As far as having an opinion on Elder Ballestero's views he doesn't post here, and therefore cannot comment a reply.

So, Holy Roller what says you?

Pressing-On 09-12-2019 03:17 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
I heard someone say, “Did you ever think about why the father ran to meet the Prodigal Son? It may have been that he wanted to get to him first before the bitter brother got there, causing the Prodigal to turn around and leave by his hateful attitude and words.”

diakonos 09-12-2019 03:24 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1572189)
https://martynballestero.com/2011/03...ed-backslider/

Basically this brother's saying that backsliders today posses as different attitude about themselves. They don't feel any conviction for their backsliding to the things of this world, but yet feel defensive of their new lifestyle.

What y'all think?

First of all, there’s a difference in changing churches and dropping standards than, say, turning away from God and doing xyz.

So, I don’t think highly of his blog.

Evang.Benincasa 09-12-2019 03:26 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1572208)

First of all, there’s a difference in changing churches and dropping standards than, say, turning away from God and doing xyz.

So, I don’t think highly of his blog.
Well, since the author of the blog isn't here, all Holy Roller can say is "ok." :heeheehee

diakonos 09-12-2019 03:29 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572209)
Well, since the author of the blog isn't here, all Holy Roller can say is "ok." :heeheehee
:lol

Prissa 09-12-2019 04:14 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1572205)
I heard someone say, “Did you ever think about why the father ran to meet the Prodigal Son? It may have been that he wanted to get to him first before the bitter brother got there, causing the Prodigal to turn around and leave by his hateful attitude and words.”

You are so right! Sadly that is the case sometimes when someone comes back to the Lord. I think God wants us to have compassion and let him worry about the discipline if there needs to be any. :)

n david 09-12-2019 04:24 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1572189)
https://martynballestero.com/2011/03...ed-backslider/

Basically this brother's saying that backsliders today posses as different attitude about themselves. They don't feel any conviction for their backsliding to the things of this world, but yet feel defensive of their new lifestyle.

What y'all think?
I read it and agree. IMO, he hit the nail on the head with this:
  • They don’t want to go to an ‘Apostolic Church’.
  • They are saved just like they are.
  • They don’t need an ‘Apostolic Church’ to be saved.
  • They feel acceptance and love now.
  • They want the old saints to be flexible in their thinking and accept them as they are.
  • They laugh and they mock their former life of holiness living.
  • They’re arrogant.
  • They’re defensive of their lifestyle.
  • They’re unashamed.
  • They feel superior.
  • They’re unrepentant.
  • They’re comfortable.

I have a family member and several friends/acquaintances who match some of these attitudes/descriptions.

What say you?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572203)
As far as having an opinion on Elder Ballestero's views he doesn't post here, and therefore cannot comment a reply.
:thumbsup

Bro Flame 09-13-2019 07:37 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
As for as mingling with backsliders, I done it often. Right now our church is scheduling a youth fellowship-type for those younger (and older) ones that are struggling with separation and stuff like that. Several people that I consider close friends go to churches where, as a whole, they're backsliding.

I don't see anything wrong with it. I would say approach such friendship with caution though because if you're like me, you'll cave and let go of stuff you know God's shown you. Don't do that.

Ehud 09-13-2019 09:00 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572203)
I rarely cut off backsliders, which means I still meet with them, even work with them at times. Yet, they know they aren't right, they know they are contrary to Jesus Christ. They make sure they don't do certain things (or say) in front of me out of respect. I have had some return and some return for visits, but that is only possible because of a relationship. They know if they need me I'm there.

...
Absolutely this, my brother. In my own life, I have made it a point to not focus on what the offender has done wrong, but rather where we go from here. It is quite rare to find one who doesn't already know they are in the wrong, so pointing it out can only serve to put them on the defensive. As long as they aren't asking me to condone what they are doing, I try to be as friendly and available as possible.

Esaias 09-13-2019 09:06 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1 Corinthians:5:9

Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1 Corinthians:5:10

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1 Corinthians:5:11

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Thessalonians:3:6


And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Thessalonians:3:14

Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
2 Thessalonians:3:15

So how do we obey these verses, then?

Evang.Benincasa 09-13-2019 10:45 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ehud (Post 1572267)
Absolutely this, my brother. In my own life, I have made it a point to not focus on what the offender has done wrong, but rather where we go from here. It is quite rare to find one who doesn't already know they are in the wrong, so pointing it out can only serve to put them on the defensive. As long as they aren't asking me to condone what they are doing, I try to be as friendly and available as possible.
When they are with me they know full well what I stand for, and discussion always ends up on Christ. Shunning them is what they expect, and for me to do that to someone they got to be totally blown up.

Esaias 09-13-2019 10:53 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1572268)
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1 Corinthians:5:9

Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1 Corinthians:5:10

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1 Corinthians:5:11

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Thessalonians:3:6


And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Thessalonians:3:14

Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
2 Thessalonians:3:15

So how do we obey these verses, then?
Serious question, how do we put these instructions into practice? We are supposed to do this, right? So how do we do it?

Evang.Benincasa 09-13-2019 11:00 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1572288)
Serious question, how do we put these instructions into practice? We are supposed to do this, right? So how do we do it?
All summed up in 2 Thessalonians:3:15. 1 Corinthians:5:10-11 are people who are totally blown out, they aren't going to hang out with you or I. People who seek me out still call me brother, the crew in 1 Corinthians:5:10-11 are done, as the dinner dishes.

Amanah 09-13-2019 11:04 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1572288)
Serious question, how do we put these instructions into practice? We are supposed to do this, right? So how do we do it?
There was a young woman who was raised in church and had lots of friends on Facebook. She backslid and posted pics of herself and friends having drinks and posting other things that were unacceptable.

Prior Pastor had to comment from pulpit "when people make posts depicting their backslid lifestyle, don't like their posts on Facebook please."

We are living in an environment where nothing is private and people don't know how to deal with it. Worldly lifestyles are flaunted without shame.

So to answer the question, to start off with, don't like their posts on Facebook.

Evang.Benincasa 09-13-2019 11:27 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1572292)
There was a young woman who was raised in church and had lots of friends on Facebook. She backslid and posted pics of herself and friends having drinks and posting other things that were unacceptable.

Prior Pastor had to comment from pulpit "when people make posts depicting their backslid lifestyle, don't like their posts on Facebook please."

We are living in an environment where nothing is private and people don't know how to deal with it. Worldly lifestyles are flaunted without shame.

So to answer the question, to start off with, don't like their posts on Facebook.
Young people are a totally different subject. It isn't like me backsliding and blowing off Truth. Young people "teenagers" are "different." You got some mature ones, who totally understand what is going on in church. Then you have posers who had never caught on to what is going on, and take that into adulthood. Young people who have never known anything outside our movement, and then get to a place where they are out and about on their own, outside of the authority of the father's house. Can either go in either direction. I don't ever place them on the pay no mind list, no matter how blown out they get. I will always be there to be able to be available.

Amanah 09-13-2019 11:35 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572301)
Young people are a totally different subject. It isn't like me backsliding and blowing off Truth. Young people "teenagers" are "different." You got some mature ones, who totally understand what is going on in church. Then you have posers who had never caught on to what is going on, and take that into adulthood. Young people who have never known anything outside our movement, and then get to a place where they are out and about on their own, outside of the authority of the father's house. Can either go in either direction. I don't ever place them on the pay no mind list, no matter how blown out they get. I will always be there to be able to be available.
:thumbsup

consapente89 09-13-2019 01:02 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1572268)
I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with fornicators:
1 Corinthians:5:9

Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
1 Corinthians:5:10

But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
1 Corinthians:5:11

Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us.
2 Thessalonians:3:6


And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed.
2 Thessalonians:3:14

Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
2 Thessalonians:3:15

So how do we obey these verses, then?
These texts seem pretty clear to me. If someone is a "brother", and living consistently in the works of the flesh without repentance, avoid them. Let separation work the cure. Be available to restore the erring when they are penitent. In other words, don't burn the bridge. Still yet, withdraw and avoid. Don't keep company with those that are considered "brethren" but living in unrepented sin. They show up for Sunday service and bring their "live-in" with them, be kind, shake their hand and be civil, but don't go eat with them after service. Don't seek them out during the week. Let the Word preached and the separation they feel from the body work the cure in them. Also, be the first to meet them at the altar when godly sorrow produces repentance. When you try to make them feel like they are a part of the church, they presume they have no need for godly sorrow.

consapente89 09-13-2019 01:06 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Certainly I Corinthians 5:9-11 and Galatians 6:1 are not at odds with each other. A balance of the two SHOULD produce an atmosphere of restoration for those who truly desire to be restored. Also, an atmosphere that will not be tolerable to those who want to be coddled in their sin.

Esaias 09-13-2019 01:07 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1572318)
These texts seem pretty clear to me. If someone is a "brother", and living consistently in the works of the flesh without repentance, avoid them. Let separation work the cure. Be available to restore the erring when they are penitent. In other words, don't burn the bridge. Still yet, withdraw and avoid. Don't keep company with those that are considered "brethren" but living in unrepented sin. They show up for Sunday service and bring their "live-in" with them, be kind, shake their hand and be civil, but don't go eat with them after service. Don't seek them out during the week. Let the Word preached and the separation they feel from the body work the cure in them. Also, be the first to meet them at the altar when godly sorrow produces repentance. When you try to make them feel like they are a part of the church, they presume they have no need for godly sorrow.
Sounds like good practical advice.

So, where is the line drawn between "unrepent consistent works of the flesh" and "we understand some minor points differently about how to obey the Scripture"?

consapente89 09-13-2019 01:14 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1572320)
Sounds like good practical advice.

So, where is the line drawn between "unrepent consistent works of the flesh" and "we understand some minor points differently about how to obey the Scripture"?
I don't see these epistles as guidelines for fellowship outside of the local church, rather they are good practices for dealing with people in the local body who are rebellious and sinful. Not many will agree with me on this, but I feel the safest option for fellowship outside the local church is to stay within your local church's fellowship circle.

consapente89 09-13-2019 01:15 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1572320)
Sounds like good practical advice.

So, where is the line drawn between "unrepent consistent works of the flesh" and "we understand some minor points differently about how to obey the Scripture"?
Also, direction is my primary concern when considering fellowship, rather than position.

Evang.Benincasa 09-13-2019 01:15 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1572318)
These texts seem pretty clear to me. If someone is a "brother", and living consistently in the works of the flesh without repentance, avoid them. Let separation work the cure. Be available to restore the erring when they are penitent. In other words, don't burn the bridge. Still yet, withdraw and avoid. Don't keep company with those that are considered "brethren" but living in unrepented sin. They show up for Sunday service and bring their "live-in" with them, be kind, shake their hand and be civil, but don't go eat with them after service. Don't seek them out during the week. Let the Word preached and the separation they feel from the body work the cure in them. Also, be the first to meet them at the altar when godly sorrow produces repentance. When you try to make them feel like they are a part of the church, they presume they have no need for godly sorrow.
No one that I know would come into a service with their live in girlfriend.
I don't play that, that is sending a message not only to the church family, but to me personally.

consapente89 09-13-2019 01:16 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572323)
No one that I know would come into a service with their live in girlfriend.
I don't play that, that is sending a message not only to the church family, but to me personally.
You are so blessed my brother...

Evang.Benincasa 09-13-2019 01:16 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1572324)
You are so blessed my brother...
Explain...

consapente89 09-13-2019 01:16 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572325)
Explain...
No lol

Evang.Benincasa 09-13-2019 01:42 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1572326)
No lol
Ok.

n david 09-13-2019 02:37 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
It's important to note that while a Pastor may ask the congregation not to associate with someone, as with the scriptures above; it does not preclude that individual from attending church to get their lives right with God.

I read a comment on the site where someone claimed they really need and desired to get right with God but their friend was told not to associate with them.

If one really needs and desires to get right with God, they will do it.

consapente89 09-13-2019 03:09 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by n david (Post 1572333)
It's important to note that while a Pastor may ask the congregation not to associate with someone, as with the scriptures above; it does not preclude that individual from attending church to get their lives right with God.

I read a comment on the site where someone claimed they really need and desired to get right with God but their friend was told not to associate with them.

If one really needs and desires to get right with God, they will do it.
Amen

jediwill83 09-14-2019 11:00 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572323)
No one that I know would come into a service with their live in girlfriend.
I don't play that, that is sending a message not only to the church family, but to me personally.



Dont worry bro. My wife would kill me if I brought a girlfriend to church! Lol so no girlfriends and no boyfriends here! 😂

Bro Flame 09-16-2019 07:26 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Amanah (Post 1572292)
There was a young woman who was raised in church and had lots of friends on Facebook. She backslid and posted pics of herself and friends having drinks and posting other things that were unacceptable.

Prior Pastor had to comment from pulpit "when people make posts depicting their backslid lifestyle, don't like their posts on Facebook please."

We are living in an environment where nothing is private and people don't know how to deal with it. Worldly lifestyles are flaunted without shame.

So to answer the question, to start off with, don't like their posts on Facebook.
We have had similar situations at my home church.

For example, this young lady started frequenting our church a little over a year ago. She had been raised in the Apostolic way, but had backslidden and her home/family had in some ways outcast her. She didn't feel welcome there, so she came to church with us when she felt the conviction to change. (Her mother has been a part of our church for a couple of years, and we all knew this young lady.)

She prayed back through to the Holy Ghost at one of our sister churches, and she was back in the church for several months, maybe six or so. It wasn't long, however, that the "new" wore off (for the lack of better phrasing) and she gradually drifted away.

Since then, she's been "in the church" a couple other times. She comes when she's broken and been hurt by the world, prays back through, and then gradually gets distracted and drifts off. We've all tried to reach a hand and encourage her, but once she's not interested, she's simply that: she's not interested. She cuts off contact, more or less, and reverts to circling with her friends outside of the faith.

And that's only to be expected. She wouldn't want anything to do with her church friends when she's not living the life.

I worry for her because she knows this Truth and she's lived it, but she's deliberately deciding not to live it. Right now she's going to a church that she previously said she knew wasn't right and worried about her father and stepmother going to. She posts pictures on social media as if trying to advertise her choice to backslide, and I know some of us have expressed our sorrows for this.

It's an awful thing when people backslide from this Truth and know better. They know entirely too much to die lost. And it's sad.

Evang.Benincasa 09-16-2019 08:02 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1572606)
We have had similar situations at my home church.

For example, this young lady started frequenting our church a little over a year ago. She had been raised in the Apostolic way, but had backslidden and her home/family had in some ways outcast her. She didn't feel welcome there, so she came to church with us when she felt the conviction to change. (Her mother has been a part of our church for a couple of years, and we all knew this young lady.)

She prayed back through to the Holy Ghost at one of our sister churches, and she was back in the church for several months, maybe six or so. It wasn't long, however, that the "new" wore off (for the lack of better phrasing) and she gradually drifted away.

Since then, she's been "in the church" a couple other times. She comes when she's broken and been hurt by the world, prays back through, and then gradually gets distracted and drifts off. We've all tried to reach a hand and encourage her, but once she's not interested, she's simply that: she's not interested. She cuts off contact, more or less, and reverts to circling with her friends outside of the faith.

And that's only to be expected. She wouldn't want anything to do with her church friends when she's not living the life.

I worry for her because she knows this Truth and she's lived it, but she's deliberately deciding not to live it. Right now she's going to a church that she previously said she knew wasn't right and worried about her father and stepmother going to. She posts pictures on social media as if trying to advertise her choice to backslide, and I know some of us have expressed our sorrows for this.

It's an awful thing when people backslide from this Truth and know better. They know entirely too much to die lost. And it's sad.
So what are you doing for her?

Bro Flame 09-16-2019 08:44 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572613)
So what are you doing for her?
I've tried to maintain contact, as much as she's open to that is. I've invited her to a special service we're having this Saturday, and I pray for her.

Beyond that, there isn't a whole lot I can do. She's moved off, I believe, and some of her information that some of us had has been changed. Her mother keeps us updated and asks us to pray for her, which we do.

Evang.Benincasa 09-16-2019 10:54 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Holy Roller (Post 1572618)
I've tried to maintain contact, as much as she's open to that is. I've invited her to a special service we're having this Saturday, and I pray for her.

Beyond that, there isn't a whole lot I can do. She's moved off, I believe, and some of her information that some of us had has been changed. Her mother keeps us updated and asks us to pray for her, which we do.
Invite her to special services? That's like inviting her to a restaurant where she in the past has always found a hair in her food. Do you understand? I know that sounds difficult but the individual[s] need to already know they have a welcome back any time invite. When they are going to another church, then I leave them alone. i'm still cordial when I see them, but they have already found their 5 star restaurant. If its another Apostolic Pentecostal church? It would no longer make sense for me to outreach towards them. They have sailed on to other shores.

JoeBandy 09-16-2019 10:59 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572323)
No one that I know would come into a service with their live in girlfriend.
I don't play that, that is sending a message not only to the church family, but to me personally.
more proof that you are a narcissistic control freak...…..

mfblume 09-16-2019 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pressing-On (Post 1572205)
I heard someone say, “Did you ever think about why the father ran to meet the Prodigal Son? It may have been that he wanted to get to him first before the bitter brother got there, causing the Prodigal to turn around and leave by his hateful attitude and words.”
I very much doubt that view is correct.

diakonos 09-16-2019 06:11 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JoeBandy (Post 1572631)
more proof that you are a narcissistic control freak...…..
Kick rocks.

navygoat1998 09-16-2019 06:52 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1572729)
Kick rocks.
:kickcan

Evang.Benincasa 09-16-2019 06:55 PM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by navygoat1998 (Post 1572748)
:kickcan
How'd you do in the hurricane?

Bro Flame 09-17-2019 06:50 AM
Re: The 'Saved Backslider' Blog
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1572629)
Invite her to special services? That's like inviting her to a restaurant where she in the past has always found a hair in her food. Do you understand? I know that sounds difficult but the individual[s] need to already know they have a welcome back any time invite. When they are going to another church, then I leave them alone. i'm still cordial when I see them, but they have already found their 5 star restaurant. If its another Apostolic Pentecostal church? It would no longer make sense for me to outreach towards them. They have sailed on to other shores.
She knows that we haven't shunned her. She knows we still love her. She has quite simply decided she doesn't want the lifestyle right now. Her mother keeps us fairly up to date on how she's doing and asks us to pray for her, which we do.

We've all tried to maintain contact, but it isn't easy. She doesn't really want us to it seems.

No, the church she's going to now isn't an Apostolic church. It's not Pentecostal. It's not Oneness. It's a Connection Church, a interdenominational-type deal with slight charismatic leanings. I don't know a lot about it, but I know my brother and sister-in-law frequented one for a little while. They're becoming a common trend in our area, with several popping up in different towns and cities.


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