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:drawguns

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Meanwhile,theCulpeper mayor says he will deputize the residents if the gun law passes. I am from VA and don’t even recognize it anymore. I left 15 years ago.

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My wife was born and raised in Arlington

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If they want your guns give it to them.

Let me ask this question, If the government federal, state, or local demanded your guns what would you do with those guns?

I’m not trying to be funny or sarcastic, this may be something we will have to deal with. I know churches that bring guns to church, but then they go tell inmates at the jail or wherever Jesus is our protection.

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I believe 40 counties so far have passed Resolves (!) saying they will not comply. Either folks are writing the grandkids history books, or there may not be any history books (or grandkids to read them)...

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You are talking about two different things here. One is using guns as protection at a church gathering. The other is having your property taken by force, whether it is horses, food, or your children. We have to keep the eye on the ball and not muddy the water, by lumping everything together. Or else intelligent people will just smile and walk off without any further discussion. The impeachment isn't about Andrew Johnson, or Donald Trump. It is about what is really happening as this is all being played out. Where does this all stop? Just guns being DEMANDED by a government? History shows us that it doesn't end with government taking personal tools of self defense. I personally believe that we don't need self defense tools in a church service. But do you happen to lock the doors of your house, cars, and church building? The tithe and offerings are they placed in a room with a lock? Box with a lock? How about police? Is it alright to use firepower as long as it is being wielded by an unbeliever? I'm just pointing out where all this tends to unravel.

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I have several friends who will have no problem giving the government their guns.
One little piece at a time...

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This is for us, within the church. Bro. Benincasa, I used Church as the main point, because if they bring the guns to church 90% of the time they take them everywhere. You want to protect your property that’s fine, and protect I mean locking you house, cars, Church etc I owned several German Shepherds (grew up with those dogs) and I had warning signs on my property. Your right government will not stop with just taking the guns, the discussion can be then where do we as the church stop? Would a believer take no thought by using deadly force against someone that tried to take or damage your property? I say this because I see believers CC (concealed carry) going into church, going to the stores my personal opinion is your asking for trouble. You want to hunt go ahead I’m a duck hunter, I have several guns, yet I don’t have a CCP, dont need one.

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Again, we cannot use whether or not a Christian wants to CC or doesn't want to for whatever reason. Concealment of a firearm goes out the window when a government stops allowing their people to arm themselves. When I first came to church I lived with brothers and sisters who never locked their homes, believed calling law enforcement was lack of faith in God. A brother I worked with cutting trees never locked his gang box, and never locked or removed the wheels from our generator. He said if the watchmen doesn't keep the fortress the watch men wake up but still cannot defend. I believe that, but I am going to lock my tool box, and I am going to remove the wheels from the generator. If I have a crane available I may even hook it up and suspend the machine from the hook. God takes care of things where I have missed taking precautions. Satan challenges Jesus to jump off the temple. Satan quotes scriptures, and Jesus returns with an answer that no one should called God by saying that God is obliged to come to the aid if we jump off a building. Just because the scriptures speak of divine protection. A brother wants to lock his doors before he has church service? Who am I to say he isn't taking precautions which he feels he needs to take as pastor? Brother keeps a loaded shotgun under the pulpit? Sister Thibodaux, has a Smith & Wesson XVR 460 Magnum under her pew. I don't, I personally don't believe it is necessary, but that's me. What another pastor wants to insure his congregations safety, that's his call. But if a government decides to demand our personal property. Then that's a whole different horse, of another color.

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Oh, I left out where we had saws stolen, and came in one morning to find that the generator was stolen. Was God asleep? Nope. Did God fail to protect? Not at all. I believe that God doesn't like being placed in a position where we slam our finger into a verse, and then command Him to perform. MHO.

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Looks like a SCAR in 5.56? Good grief what a waste of money. Even in .308 it's priced beyond reasonable.

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I guess it may be like whether or not you would own a Harley or a Honda VTX 1800. One is way overpriced, and basically just a name, and the other good reliable and better machine for the money. Yet a Harley is chosen over the Honda VTX 1800

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Well, THAT ain't no Harley. :heeheehee

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Well, some may beg to differ. :nod

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Harleys are evil. :heeheehee

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All of them currently, or should we start from 1901?

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I’m just joking.

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You do remember that time that Jesus told the disciples to buy a sword . . .
right???

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Where do you read that they used one?

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I believe it was Peter in the garden with the sword.

It may have been the butler in the garage with pipe wrench.

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And how did it turn out when Peter chopped off the guys ear?

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Well, I'm pretty sure he had another.

Listen, I really don't want to spoil it for you. You probably should read it for yourself.

I was referring to Jesus telling them to buy a sword, even sell your coat if necessary. They told him they already had two. He said that was enough. I'm just going from memory here. If you read the book, I'm sure it is better than my summary.

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Apparently there is now a big bruha within the VNG (Virginia National Guard), the gubnah said he would use the national guard and a row erupted within the ranks prompting the Adjutant General to issue a statement stating he hasn't received any orders yet.

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I do remember. I’m not sure your point?

Luke 22:36
[36] Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

You’ll, have to explain your thoughts on what you believe this scripture is saying. Are you of the camp that says we need to have our guns ready to kill those that come against us. Guns bring a spirit upon a man if were not careful, they feel bigger and unstoppable with the gun by there side. I’m not against guns, like I said in a prior post, I’m a duck hunter, I enjoy hunting, but your not going to see me with a side arm walking around town, or with a gun in my pulpit either. People say Jesus is my protection, how can he be our protection if were already to take matters into our own hands. Like I said, I’m bringing another side to the argument, you can do what you feel to do. Yet, as the church we cannot do the “liberties” of this world and expect the Lord to help us.

Also with the scripture you brought up, lets not forget to make sure scripture interprets scripture...

Matthew 26:52
[52] Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.

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My point is that the sword was a weapon to defend yourself or for offense. Yet Jesus told them to buy one.

You said that we say God is our protector, but we also say that God is our provider. Yet, in spite of our saying this, I have heard of people that profess to be Christian, (allegedly pastors even) that will actually take a shotgun duck hunting! Imagine the hypocrisy!

They should just take a basket for God to put all the ducks in. Yet, their faith will fail them and they will resort to shooting the ducks that God is providing them just before they tumble into their arms.

Scandalous!!!

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He was rebuked by the Lord, to put his sword away. Funny no one is saying its wrong for you to use a sword, or even a gun. Yet, people get upset when you point out that they want to use it for “self-defense”, Jesus was so correct, when he said those who LIVE by the sword will die by it.

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Don’t work, don’t eat... -the Bible

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:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

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Every professional soldier from time immemorial up to around Vietnam understood that truism, that he who lives by the sword will die by the sword. It's a maxim, not a statement of Divine disapproval of keeping and bearing arms in general.

Jesus told Peter to holster his weapon, He did not tell him to get rid of it or keep it in the safe only to be used for cutting paper or hunting. The problem was Peter was trying to interfere with Christ's mission, which required Him to be arrested, tried in a kangaroo court, and executed.

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Donald J Trump?

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He's silent as usual when it comes to important stuff.

I just started this thread to point out things are moving along rather quickly according to several layers of agendas that will wind up having an impact on folks. If a person thinks food all comes from WalMart they may find themselves in trouble not too long from now. History is like a broken tape deck that speeds up and slows down unexpectedly.

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These are just my thoughts. The whole impeachment is a distraction. The Democrats have no one running, which is by design. The impeachment is to make the POTUS look like the underdog. So all will think Trump is getting bullied.
Meanwhile Rome burns, and by the time anyone figures it all out the trap will be spring. Both sides make out and the rank and file lose. What that loss will look like I have no idea yet.

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I never though of that. I can totally see why you say that. It sure is interesting unfolding America’s layers.

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Virginia is a former sovereign republic whose proximity to Sodom on the Potomac (Washington. DC) makes it an easy target for ongoing Yankee reconstruction. The only hope for Virginia is to cede at least three counties to the District of Columbia, thus eliminating their influence in REAL Virginia. I saw today militias are forming to defend gun rights. This is going to get interesting.

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I think over 75 counties out 95 have now passed Resolves against the actions of the governor and the tyrranists. At least one county has implemented a procedure for training the county militia. The governor and company have threatened to use the National Guard and to forecibly remove county officials and sheriffs who have supported these Resolves. There is now a movement in Texas, Colorado, and I think another state (can't remember) to do the same thing. Several Texas and Colorado counties have passed similar Resolves recently.

We live in interesting times.

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FBI shot themselves in the foot. The president is crying that there is an attemptive take over. All bread and circuses, dog and pony show, smoke and mirrors. Something way deeper is about to go down. Yet, the church has decided to have Xmas chorus in front of the Dagon tree at the local mall.

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^ This.

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This is an interesting topic. Let's go beyond that "buy a sword" verse and bring some patterns from other verses.

I see John the Baptist not telling soldiers to stop killing. I see Peter not telling Cornelius to stop killing. I see Paul even using a legion of soldiers to protect himself from the Jews, and also using a soldier analogy in the spiritual world.
I see Paul also saying that soldiers carry a sword to bring justice and we must submit to their authority.

I also see none of the Apostles or Christians, during their ministry after Pentecost, taking swords with them as they spread the Gospel. In the Old Testament, except from one instance where Samuel used a sword, the prophets didn't use to carry and use swords.

The two instances where you see the phrase "he who kills by the sword will be killed by the sword", Matthew 26:52 and Rev 13:10, are in the context of persecution. I think what the phrase really means is that when persecution comes against the saints, those that try to stop it with the sword will perish by the sword. When persecution comes, the principle I see is to flee, instead of resisting it by the sword.

All of this makes me think that the point is that if it is your job and authority in society to stop evil and bring justice by the sword, then you should use it rightfully: soldiers, officers, guards, etc.... But when you are ministering the Gospel, and bringing the word of God to the people, you should not be armed and suffer persecution if it comes.

Am I missing some passages of the Bible that go against these principles?

BTW, the verse about buying a sword has to be put in context:

[Luk 22:36-37 NKJV] 36 Then He said to them, "But now, he who has a money bag, let him take [it], and likewise a knapsack; and he who has no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one. 37 "For I say to you that this which is written must still be accomplished in Me: 'And He was numbered with the transgressors.' For the things concerning Me have an end."

It is like if having swords in the group was to be used as an evidence against them as preparing a revolt against the authorities.