2 Parishioners Shot and Killed Texas Church Gunman
 

Police: 2 Parishioners Shot and Killed Texas Church Gunman

“An elder at the church told the New York Times that one of those killed was a security guard who responded to the shooter, calling him a dear friend.”

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Now every apostolic gun toting church will feel justified about their security protocols. Every Pentecostal will get their ccw permit, then wonder why their feeling like the church of Christ congregations now.

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Sad to see this happening in church. No place is safe or sacred any more, not even houses of worship and prayer.

I saw an edited video of the shooting.

First, the hero who stopped a likely massacre is no ordinary Joe. He's former law enforcement. I counted about 4.5 to 5 seconds from the time the first shot went off to the time the ex LEO took out the shooter. That's incredibly quick reaction time. Also, from what I can see on the video, it was a one shot kill. I tried estimating the distance and believe it's about 40 to 50 feet or more between the ex LEO and the killer, and he shot him in the head with one shot.

There's probably 1 out of 1,000 ordinary church going concealed carriers who could do that. That's important for people to understand. Stage this exact incident with someone else returning fire and the results would be much different every time. Ordinary Joe would likely have fired several rounds before even hitting the killer, much less ending the threat.

Second, the video I saw blurred the back of the church where he shot and killed someone, but it appears he got up and was talking with someone before stepping back, pulling the rifle out and opening fire. I'm curious at what he said.

Third, if you see the video, watch the guy in the blue sweater vest towards the middle of the bottom of the frame. Everyone else is diving for cover and he just sits there. It's amazing to me how he just sits there while chaos is erupting around him.

Lastly, the congregation is 90% senior citizens. The killer is in a dark overcoat with the hood over his head. Either the man visited there before and was known to them or they aren't real observant. The church I attend is smaller so anyone looking as out of place as that guy did would draw attention. Even in a similar sized church I previously attended, someone in an overcoat wearing a hood would draw attention.

Again, very sad that this is happening in churches today.

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Non Instruments? Are you saying the churches will die?

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The bottomline is that guns are necessary in the world we now live, black large brim cowboy hats look cool, and firing a shotgun in a Texas church is a good way to get killed.

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Good observations nDavid.

Its all terribly sad, but thankful someone trained was able to take down the shooter. Most concealed weapon carriers would probably not be able to do that in that short of time period, and more likely more people would have been killed in the process.

But... at least someone in there had a weapon. Think of how many people would have died had there not been someone there to return fire before police could have responded. It would have been a massacre like the little town in Texas several years ago.

So... yes its a crazy world we live in.

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The thing is a scam

Brenton Tarrant the Christchurch NZ shooter and "white nationalist" guy was from a town called Grafton

The day before this recent shooting a guy named Grafton attacked a synagogue.

This Church of Christ is in Tarrant County in a town called White Settlement. Which is conveniently located per google at an elevation of 666 ft above sea level.

I watched the press conference. The police chief was flubbing his lines very interestingly, kept saying Congressional and "service members". Very nervous as well.

I wonder if the FBI, Rangers, and national media always show up when 2-3 people get shot. The Chicago, Dallas, and New York field offices must be REEEEEEEALLY busy then... :rolleyes:

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And apparently the hero is a retired FBI agent.

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Is it true the church building was located on "Las Vegas Trail"?

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Why, yes, it is located on Las Vegas Trail.

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:tinfoil

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Epstein didn't kill himself.

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Oh, party hat

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AKA- Alex Jones @infowars.
:heeheehee

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AJ (aka Bill Hicks) was passe back in the mid-late 90s. Bill Cooper even called him out for being a government propagandist asset back in 98 or 99. Interestingky he (Bill Hicks, aka Alex Jones) admits his family is CIA, and he has a working relationship with STRATFOR. He's the Hal Turner of the just-right-of-Pat-Buchanan-but-not-quite-Father-Coughlin crowd.

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Let me ask everyone the question, why now?
Why all the “church/synagogue/masjid shootings?
Why now?

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Why all the intentional gender confusion?
Why the decrease in free speech?
Why the cancel culture?
Why the imbalance of justice?

WHYYYYYY?

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Do you know? Care to give your thoughts on why?

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2 Timothy 3:

• This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
• For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
• Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
• Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
• Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
• For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
• Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
• Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
• But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.
• But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,
• Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.
• Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.
• But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.
• But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
• And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
• All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
• That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

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The imminent return of Christ.

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Already been fulfilled

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Wow, I am sure glad to hear that none of this was going on in the first century A.D.. But let's take a look at verse 13. This verse uses the word for those who call forth demons. In some English translations the word "imposter" is used to interpret the verse, where conjuror of demons would of been a better choice. The KJV uses the word "seducers" which is way better than imposters, because these evil men were seducing people with evil spirits. Lord knows that the casting out of demons is as scarce as oatmeal box hairdos in Pentecost now a days. But, allow me to continue, the writer ties his thoughts from the previous verses by saying that evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse. This is an important part of the verse because it is speaking of time, and since we aren't living at the time of this document, we can logically assess that now we are 2,000 years after "worse." So, these individuals who are evil conjurers of demons were getting worse for 2,000 years. Now, I can't speak for anyone else, but like I tell Gee Ha Witnesses if earthquakes were supposed to get worse since the first century A.D. then we should be close to a 1,000 level on the richter scale. Nothing higher than 9.5 earthquake in Chile in 1960. That's 59 years ago?
So, call me Captain Obvious, but to have 2 Timothy 3:13 to be at its current worse today, would mean that everyone is as cooked as the Xmas goose. This thing is as done as the dinner dishes, because of the time language. No matter what eschatology may be anyone's cup of tea, everyone has to reconcile the wording of 2 Timothy 3:13.

So, my thoughts on the why isn't so ecclsesiatically dramatic, but has to do with what people watch. Listen to, believe, and make their own mythos. People have been using 2 Tim 3 as the go to chapter, when everything hits the fan. It was used so many times throughout Christain history that the Catholics used it against Martin Luther and the Reformationists and the Reformationists used it against the Pope and Cardinals. Why? Because it seemed like a fitting verse at the time. Right? But let's include an even bigger group of guys and gals, people who wouldn't know a Bible if they were handed one and asked to read aloud. These people are taught, not from Clergy, not from Popes, not from Imans, Gurus, or Rabbis. They are taught by the media, the medi shapes their world view. Like a Pavlovian symphony, the saliva runs through the street in rivers when certain phrases and words are employed by the bell ringing masters. From Hollywood to London, from New York to Moscow we are being told what to do, and we do it willingly subconsciously. We do it like Zombies poets playing the lyre for our favorite team. Republicans and Democrats are like the Pushmi-Pullyu in Hugh Lofting's The Story of Doctor Dolittle. They are the two ends of the same animal. My lands, I've watched people just on this forum give very, very good reasons why not to vote for Trump. This was done when they had other choices. Yet, when the playing field was whittled down to the lesser of two evils. One devil had to be picked. Since we pick that devil, then we have to stand with that devil. Right or wrong he, or she, is our guy. Yet, the movers and the shakers know all this. Edward Bernays taught them well, and they did learn. So, they take the worst candidate from the opposition and parade them in front of us. We only have two choices? So down the sliding pond we go! Right in the slot they wanted us to go. Milk Bone! Here Duke! Here Boy! They do it with everything, and this really isn't anything new. Every empire throughout history always learned well how to manipulate the masses from the lords to the peasants. No one reinvents the wheel, because the wheel is a tried and tested form of movement. Waxing worse and worse? No, same old devil who just puts on a different dress, or should I say pants?