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hometown guy 02-24-2020 11:23 PM

Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
Yup it will...

hometown guy 02-24-2020 11:26 PM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
Wine too.... I wouldn’t even drink it for communion.

diakonos 02-25-2020 04:03 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
Yeah, the Apostles must be on fire right now.

Nicodemus1968 02-25-2020 04:49 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
How about for the crowd that says show me in the Bible where it says “I can’t drink beer?”

Michael The Disciple 02-25-2020 05:07 AM

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Yes and no. Yes if you are getting drunk. No if you are not. I have not drank Beer for 45 years and have no desire for it. There are people who should not drink it altogether because they have a past of being overcome by it. That does not at all mean we can assign people to Hell for drinking it if they are not getting drunk.

Michael The Disciple 02-25-2020 05:10 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1581351)
Wine too.... I wouldn’t even drink it for communion.

Jesus both made and drank wine. Will one go to Hell for not taking communion might be a good question.

Nicodemus1968 02-25-2020 06:12 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1581356)
Yes and no. Yes if you are getting drunk. No if you are not. I have not drank Beer for 45 years and have no desire for it. There are people who should not drink it altogether because they have a past of being overcome by it. That does not at all mean we can assign people to Hell for drinking it if they are not getting drunk.

What about a non alcoholic drink? Like O’doul’s?

n david 02-25-2020 06:26 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
Not unless you get drunk. But then, why even get that close to something which could lead to sin?

1 Corinthians 8:9-13 is applicable to this topic.

But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

coksiw 02-25-2020 06:57 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
Getting drunk is the sin, drinking wine or beer is a holiness issue.
I also think drinking strong drink is just wrong.

Nicodemus1968 02-25-2020 07:00 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1581363)
Not unless you get drunk. But then, why even get that close to something which could lead to sin?

1 Corinthians 8:9-13 is applicable to this topic.

But take heed lest by any means this liberty of yours become a stumblingblock to them that are weak. For if any man see thee which hast knowledge sit at meat in the idol's temple, shall not the conscience of him which is weak be emboldened to eat those things which are offered to idols; And through thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom Christ died? But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. Wherefore, if meat make my brother to offend, I will eat no flesh while the world standeth, lest I make my brother to offend.

Exactly! What about,

Ephesians 4:27
Neither give place to the devil.


1 Thessalonians 5:22
Abstain from all appearance of evil.


They may have drunk wine back then for their infirmities, does that mean its ok today? It’s not about getting drunk, or drinking non-alcoholic, or show where I’m sinning.

Acts 15:28
For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;


Like one evangelist from Canada testified,
“I was called upon in church to testify, and I said, I want to know what Holy Ghost y’all have? I understand you went down to the beach in your underwear, my Holy Ghost wont let me go to the beach in my underwear. Why would my Holy Ghost not allow me to, and your Holy Ghost allows you to? He said, I was not allowed to testify in that church ever again!”

Does it seem good to the Holy Ghost...

jediwill83 02-25-2020 08:17 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
So Jesus was creating a stumbling block by making MORE wine at the marriage of Cana after they had already drunk so much already? We already know He made the "good stuff". Not making a pro or con argument folks...just looking at whats there in scripture and wondering how you are getting some of your conclusions that etoh=instant hellfire.

Truthseeker 02-25-2020 08:51 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
We know they drank alcoholic wine. That's why Paul said to not drink in excess.

Truthseeker 02-25-2020 08:55 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
Wigglesworth was asked by a new convert he if had to stop smoking and drinking now that he was saved. The answer given was smoke and drink as much as you want ,if you can. That would trigger some today, but I understand his point.

Evang.Benincasa 02-25-2020 08:56 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
How about dipping Copenhagen snuff?

Truthseeker 02-25-2020 08:56 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1581355)
How about for the crowd that says show me in the Bible where it says “I can’t drink beer?”

You tell them its not in the bible.

Evang.Benincasa 02-25-2020 08:57 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
How about food to excess?

jediwill83 02-25-2020 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1581383)
How about food to excess?




That...that has been my struggle. There are alot of factors as to why but yeah...thats my major struggle.

coksiw 02-25-2020 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1581383)
How about food to excess?

Oh oh

coksiw 02-25-2020 09:29 AM

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I read once that the wine done following the old time methods contains way less alcohol than the modern wine. Apparently, you could drink a good amount of wine back then and not get drunk. Not to say that before the wine fermented, it was also called "wine", hence the term new wine and old wine.
Modern wine is dangerously close to strong drinks.

[Isa 5:22 NASB] 22 Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink,

Truthseeker 02-25-2020 09:54 AM

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Wasn't the Corinthian church getting drunk at communion?

jediwill83 02-25-2020 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1581387)
I read once that the wine done following the old time methods contains way less alcohol than the modern wine. Apparently, you could drink a good amount of wine back then and not get drunk. Not to say that before the wine fermented, it was also called "wine", hence the term new wine and old wine.
Modern wine is dangerously close to strong drinks.

[Isa 5:22 NASB] 22 Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink,


Deuteronomy 14:26
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,




Well according to this, strong drink is perfectly acceptable...and also a part of those tithes and OFFERINGS God demands we take part in and not rob Him over in Malachi 3:8

Tithesmeister 02-25-2020 09:55 AM

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There is nothing wrong with drinking, at least from a viewpoint of scripture. Jesus drank wine. He made wine. The Israelites tithed wine. At their festivals they drank wine and strong drink.

But, we are taught to avoid wine, and not drink at all. Because, if you don’t drink, you can’t get drunk. And getting drunk WILL send you to hell.

So, just for kicks, let’s apply this principle to gluttony. If we don’t eat at all, it would be impossible to be a glutton.

So why don’t we preach against eating?

hometown guy 02-25-2020 09:55 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1581356)
Yes and no. Yes if you are getting drunk. No if you are not. I have not drank Beer for 45 years and have no desire for it. There are people who should not drink it altogether because they have a past of being overcome by it. That does not at all mean we can assign people to Hell for drinking it if they are not getting drunk.

What’s your definition of drunk?

Nicodemus1968 02-25-2020 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1581391)
There is nothing wrong with drinking, at least from a viewpoint of scripture. Jesus drank wine. He made wine. The Israelites tithed wine. At their festivals they drank wine and strong drink.

But, we are taught to avoid wine, and not drink at all. Because, if you don’t drink, you can’t get drunk. And getting drunk WILL send you to hell.

So, just for kicks, let’s apply this principle to gluttony. If we don’t eat at all, it would be impossible to be a glutton.

So why don’t we preach against eating?

This definitely not your grandparents AFF. :heeheehee

hometown guy 02-25-2020 09:58 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1581391)
There is nothing wrong with drinking, at least from a viewpoint of scripture. Jesus drank wine. He made wine. The Israelites tithes wine. At there festivals they drank wine and strong drink.

But, we are taught to avoid wine, and not drink at all. Because, if you don’t drink, you can’t get drunk. And getting drunk WILL send you to hell.

So, just for kicks, let’s apply this principle to gluttony. If we don’t eat at all, it would be impossible to be a glutton.

So why don’t we preach against eating?

Does the Bible actually say a glutton is going to Hell?

Nicodemus1968 02-25-2020 10:00 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1581394)
Does the Bible actually say a glutton is going to Hell?

Does the Bible say there is a hell?

hometown guy 02-25-2020 10:03 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1581389)
Wasn't the Corinthian church getting drunk at communion?

Maybe.... and fornicating... go figure

Tithesmeister 02-25-2020 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1581394)
Does the Bible actually say a glutton is going to Hell?

I don’t think so. I don’t believe it actually says drinking beer will send you to hell either.

All that being said, my post was a weak attempt at humor.

Truthseeker 02-25-2020 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by hometown guy (Post 1581396)
Maybe.... and fornicating... go figure

Ever notice Paul response about getting drunk? "You have houses to drink in" 😳

n david 02-25-2020 10:13 AM

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My father told a story many times about a man who was looking to hire a chauffeur. He lived in the mountain where the roads twisted around and there were precipices all along the way into town.

He interviewed several men and asked each one how close they believed they could get to the edge of the precipice without going over. A few boasted how they could get within a foot of the edge. One claimed he could get mere inches from the edge without going over.

The last man he interviewed responding by saying he had too much respect to the danger and because of that, he would stay as far as he could from the edge. He was the one the man hired.

Point is this, alcohol is not to be messed with. Some may be able to control it, but many aren't able to do so. It's the leading cause of car accidents and car accident deaths.

Unlike even smoking or gluttony, this vice affects others besides the person drinking. It's a major cause for domestic violence and physical abuse.

I won't say a person is going to hell for drinking, though the Bible does say drunkenness is a sin. But I will point to these other factors and warn against drinking.

I've seen the results firsthand. I've witnessed a drunk driver run a red light and slam into a car. The victim was dead on impact, the drunk staggered and walked away, with barely a scratch. I've witnessed the one who claimed they only drink a glass of wine for dinner only to progress to a bottle then to hard liquor.

As for me, I won't touch it.

"Can a man take fire in his bosom, and his clothes not be burned? Can one go upon hot coals, and his feet not be burned?"

Don't do these things and then wonder why the consequences.

Truthseeker 02-25-2020 10:13 AM

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I cringe a bit when I hear stuff like "will it send me to hell?" "I am not going to do that, I don't want to go to hell"

Comes off as carnal and spiritually immature.

hometown guy 02-25-2020 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1581397)
I don’t think so. I don’t believe it actually says drinking beer will send you to hell either.

All that being said, my post was a weak attempt at humor.

oh gotcha lol didn’t catch the humor I thought you pulling the “ chapter and verse “ card.

Truthseeker 02-25-2020 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1581395)
Does the Bible say there is a hell?

Not like most teach it.

n david 02-25-2020 10:16 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1581391)
So, just for kicks, let’s apply this principle to gluttony. If we don’t eat at all, it would be impossible to be a glutton.

So why don’t we preach against eating?

This argument irritates me. It makes a joke of the dangers of alcoholism and drunk driving. I've seen the results of both and gluttony is nowhere near the problem or danger of drinking alcohol.

hometown guy 02-25-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Truthseeker (Post 1581400)
I cringe a bit when I hear stuff like "will it send me to hell?" "I am not going to do that, I don't want to go to hell"

Comes off as carnal and spiritually immature.

That’s interesting. I think that’s a whole lot more spiritual then half the stuff on this forum.

hometown guy 02-25-2020 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1581403)
This argument irritates me. It makes a joke of the dangers of alcoholism and drunk driving. I've seen the results of both and gluttony is nowhere near the problem or danger of drinking alcohol.

I do too..... Buzz driving is drunk driving. I see that sign all over California ... so maybe they can get buzzed and think they are still ok??

Tithesmeister 02-25-2020 10:21 AM

Re: Will drinking beer send you to hell?
 
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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1581397)
I don’t think so. I don’t believe it actually says drinking beer will send you to hell either.

All that being said, my post was a weak attempt at humor.

Quote:

Originally Posted by n david (Post 1581403)
This argument irritates me. It makes a joke of the dangers of alcoholism and drunk driving. I've seen the results of both and gluttony is nowhere near the problem or danger of drinking alcohol.

It wasn’t meant to be an argument. I intended it as a joke. Sorry if it irritated you.

coksiw 02-25-2020 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1581390)
Deuteronomy 14:26
26 And thou shalt bestow that money for whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, for oxen, or for sheep, or for wine, or for strong drink, or for whatsoever thy soul desireth: and thou shalt eat there before the LORD thy God, and thou shalt rejoice, thou, and thine household,




Well according to this, strong drink is perfectly acceptable...and also a part of those tithes and OFFERINGS God demands we take part in and not rob Him over in Malachi 3:8

Here are the requirements for the priests when they had to minister in his presence.

[Lev 10:8-10 NKJV] 8 Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying: 9 "Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. [It shall be] a statute forever throughout your generations, 10 "that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean,

n david 02-25-2020 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Tithesmeister (Post 1581406)
It wasn’t meant to be an argument. I intended it as a joke. Sorry if it irritated you.

:thumbsup

I've had people use it as an argument.

hometown guy 02-25-2020 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1581409)
Here are the requirements for the priests when they had to minister in his presence.

[Lev 10:8-10 NKJV] 8 Then the LORD spoke to Aaron, saying: 9 "Do not drink wine or intoxicating drink, you, nor your sons with you, when you go into the tabernacle of meeting, lest you die. [It shall be] a statute forever throughout your generations, 10 "that you may distinguish between holy and unholy, and between unclean and clean,

Good points. Like jewelry......


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