Prayer by Verbal Bean
 

It has been an interesting read. Different perspective. Not too bad. But something jumped out that I take issue with. Verbal Bean stated that he believed Jesus was tempted to fornicate. I find the notion rather blasphemous.

I do not believe that being tempted in like manner means that Jesus was tempted with EVERY SPECIFIC THING that people deal with. If tempted to fornicate, was He tempted to steal? Lie? Kill?

Other than that, no real objections to VB’s commentary. I’m bout half way through.

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Why would he not be tempted to fornicate, steal, lie and kill?

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“I could command angels to come here tonight and do service for me!”

p. 97

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There is this.

Heb.4

[15] For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

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Do you think he was tempted with homosexuality?

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All points


1John 2:16
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

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He believed that you can speak things into existence

p. 114

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“Adulterous spirits are like radar. If they’re in a person they’ll send a signal, and that signal will touch you.”

p. 124
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I’d say other spirits do the same. Experienced it myself. Interesting way to describe it. I’ve described it like a signal going through me. Then to turn and look, and lo and behold...

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homosexuality is not a natural sin like the others... I’ve never once been tempted with homosexuality. It’s repulsive to me and not natural. But I don’t know one person that has not been tempted with let’s say lying or hate and unless they were made to be a eunuch... you have to understand that just because he was tempted doesn’t mean he desired. Obviously he was tempted when he was fasting but he never let it get to the point where it was sin.

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I heard an older preacher, who knew Verbal Bean personally, who said that many of the men talking bout his books today would never had let VB in their pulpits. He was very offensive to those who did not believe in the spiritual realm.

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Think on this, will adulterous spirits attract only adulterous spirits. Or will they attract other spirits that are similar?

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I would let him. I like the guy.

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I was going to comment about sexual themed spirits in general.

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At one point the tapes of the revival in Laurel, Mississippi were available for purchase. I always meant to, but didn’t purchase them.

I can’t find them anywhere online, probably because no one uses tapes. Anyone known where the audio is available?

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Ok. Done.

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No it had nothing to do with the “ spirit realm “ that would be offensive to some it had to do with preaching against sin. He would preach on getting rid of your television, not paying tithes, getting rid of board ran churches ect... that’s why he would not be excepted. I have to elders I know that set under him and told me this. Plus he preached for a lot of the churches we fellowship out here in California.

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No one cared that we was good with women preachers.


Edit:
Or that’s what I get from the book. His mom started a church. I think he also referenced a lady evangelist.

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What does it mean to be tempted? Was it an internal mechanism within Him attempting to draw Him away after His own lusts?

Or was it an external, spiritual attack to get Him to fall, beginning with the 40 day fast in the desert all the way to Calvary?

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James 1:14-16 KJV
But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. [15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death. [16] Do not err, my beloved brethren.

The word lust has a rather lurid spin to it nowadays, but Biblically (and prior to the 20th century) simply meant "desire". If James is correct, then all temptation occurs when the will is enticed by the person's own desires. Without that desire there cannot be a temptation. I can offer you a slap in the face if you'll just empty your bank account and give it to the Clinton Foundation, but is that really tempting to you?

According to James, temptation is the occassion or prior condition that under certain conditions results in sin. Sin is transgression of the law, so the doctrine here is a person's desires entice the will to do something forbidden by God. If the will yields, sin results. If the will does not yield, sin does not result. Thus sin is voluntary, moral character attaches to voluntary acts of the will, and involuntary conditions or experiences (like being tempted) do not impart moral character to the individual in and of themselves.

Jesus being tempted in all points like as we are does not mean that He was tempted with every single temptation every human has or will have experienced. It simply means He experienced temptation just like we all do. He is a fully functioning human being, not a divine being in a mere skin-suit completely removed from temptation. His temptations, to be real and meaningful to us, must have been real, real human temptations, just like we have. And the Scripture speaks of His temptations in such a way as to clearly make them meaningful and relevant to us: He knows what we go through because He's gone through it Himself. And more importantly, He went through it without sin. Therefore, we can too.

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Good question. Satan is called the "tempter" for a reason.

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So what did Verbal Bean teach about PRAYER? Anything specific?

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Nothing wrong with that.

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He said the old timers believed if you didn’t pray for 3 hours a day you were lost! He believes if you don’t pray for an hour a day, your lost!

It’s tight, but it’s right....

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Now we are getting into some standards!:highfive

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Short message on prayer by me from 8 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhUVXnp9nEE

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https://media1.tenor.com/images/46d7...itemid=7513882

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What text did he give that supports if one doesn't pray a hour a day he is lost?

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Well, no preacher is without error.

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I don’t believe the temptation was an internal conflict. Perhaps the devil tempted Jesus with fornication or any other sin common to man, that doesn’t mean Jesus desired those things. I read the same thing and was a bit taken back when I read it. I wish he would have expounded a little more on what he meant by temptation. There is a debate in some circles as to whether or not it would have even been possible for Jesus to sin.

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Another thing he stated is that the temptation was in the mind of Jesus. :shrugs

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Yeah he did say that. I’m not real sure how much access the devil has to our mind, especially the mind of Jesus who was without sin. I would think that most of the access he has is what we have somehow granted him or subjected ourself
to in someway. By say, for instance, watching Clint Eastwood movies.

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You didn’t like A Fistful of Dollars?

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Is that a movie?

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Yes. Not a western fan, but I enjoyed his westerns as a kid.

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I agree it was not an internal conflict. I’m my opinion we allow things to go to far in our minds and Jesus was perfect so a temptation never went as far as it goes with us..

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Although I do believe it is good to pray an hour each day I don’t think it’s required nor do I think that Jesus was implying that in that passage.

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That doesn't say they would be lost for not praying one hour.

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Read the next verse,

Matthew 26:41
Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.

Remember unless you never read the book, he is talking to ministers. This was a young ministers class he was teaching for the AMF (if I’m not mistaken). So, as a preacher himself growing up with men like Joe Duke, C.R. Free, Elder Shoemake these were men that were mightily used of God. So he is relating to these young preachers that desire to go deep into the spirit realm, that the elders taught him that if you cannot pray for 3 hours or more your not going to make it. Verbal Bean said he believes no less than an hour!

Now, is there a scripture that says “unless you pray one hour each day your going to hell” no there is not. Yet, Jesus does say can you not pray with me for one hour? Then the next verse says, “watch and pray that ye enter not into temptation.” Why would Jesus bring up one hour if it wasn’t important?