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mfblume 05-09-2020 07:29 PM

Chris Reed
 
This great man of God has an awesome gift of the word of knowledge. People named, addresses, birthdates, etc.

I've known him for a few years now. He recently was live ministering to people who tuned in on live chat. From just seeing their names, he began revealing details to build their faith. One woman live from South Africa was on and said she was angry at God, and had much resentment. Reed ministered, and told her her son's name and before long, her broken heart and faith in God was healed. Great Jesus' name brother.

We are having him on live stream tomorrow on our church Facebook page with chat... 10:30 am central. Join us and you may be ministered to!!


https://www.facebook.com/34860230223...3612/?sfnsn=mo

Michael The Disciple 05-11-2020 04:45 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
I was impressed. So far.

diakonos 05-11-2020 04:59 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
I missed it. Had friends over for brunch.

consapente89 05-11-2020 05:13 AM

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Those poor folks must have forgotten their names and addresses. Thank Gpd the prophet was there to remind them!

diakonos 05-11-2020 05:14 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1587862)
Those poor folks must have forgotten their names and addresses. Thank Gpd the prophet was there to remind them!

I think it’s done to prove he’s a prophet?? I don’t think it’s necessary at all. When you know you know. I still would have liked to watch.

consapente89 05-11-2020 06:01 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1587863)
I think it’s done to prove he’s a prophet?? I don’t think it’s necessary at all. When you know you know. I still would have liked to watch.

Yeah I get that. I agree. It isn’t necessary. Also isn’t anything new.

mfblume 05-11-2020 08:15 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1587862)
Those poor folks must have forgotten their names and addresses. Thank Gpd the prophet was there to remind them!

I am surprised this response comes on an apostolic page!

Did Jesus tell Nathanael something Nathaneal did not know?

Joh 1:47 KJV.. Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile!

Joh 1:48 KJV.. Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee.

It is not to inform people of things they already know as though they forgot.

The woman at the well called Jesus a prophet for the same reason:

Joh 4:18-19 KJV.. For thou hast had five husbands; and he whom thou now hast is not thy husband: in that saidst thou truly. ..(19).. The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.

The purpose of this is to open a person's heart like the woman from South Africa who had anger issues with God. Once Reed told her her son's name and then spoke of her abandonment issues, her heart softened and was healed! It gives people a sense that GOD really does know the number of hairs on their heads, and that is a healing wake up call for many people. It lets them realize how real God is. That woman was in South Africa at the time while nd Reed is in Indiana, and instantly God revealed this. She ended up sending his wife a note later and thanking God over and over again, and it led to her restoration of love for God after having been angry.

Another instance had him tell a woman about the loss of her daughter two years ago. She acknowledged it. He gave the date of the loss, and she was weeping by that time, understandably so, in both memory and appreciation that God let her know He understands her loss. And then Reed told her of the name Elizabeth Anne. and asked her if it was her other daughter or her own sister (the mother's sister). She said she had another daughter Elizabeth and her own sister was Anne. Two people. He then told her that these women were going to minister to her about her grief.

The addresses and street names are things he usually starts out with, and then from there it has awakened their sense of reality of God and his knowledge of the people. (If you had someone say that to you and you said, "So what?" it would be a miracle on its own that you thought so casually of how powerful the gist fo the Spirit really are. It impacts people to have someone be shown these things supernaturally.) Then it moves toward a word about a person's ministry or resolves a problem spiritually with deeper and more spiritual words of knowledge.

Once Jesus told the woman at the well things she already knew and things she did not need to be reminded of due to having not forgotten them, he then had broken barrier between a racist Samaritan who wondered why Jesus a Jew would talk to her, and someone who was so guilt-ridden for adultery with a husband that wa snot her own, which is why she came at the well at noon the hottest time fo the day, to avoid people. And then Jesus led her toward deeper spiritual things about living waters of the Holy Ghost and new birth. Then she went and told the countryside, which very likely was the root of the revival that occurred later when Philip went to Samaria and had a revival in Acts 8. THE HEARTS WERE READ.

This is the use and purpose of these revelations. It readies the heart in excited faith to see God work.

It always leads to something beneficial spiritually, not this mockery of telling someone of their addresses thatthey already know, as if it was misapplied good use of a gift.

Come on, guys.

mfblume 05-11-2020 08:22 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by consapente89 (Post 1587865)
Yeah I get that. I agree. It isn’t necessary. Also isn’t anything new.

It is necessary to open up hearts to the reality of God, and who said it had to be new? Jesus did it 2000 years ago. But it is HARDLY AROUND like it SHOULD BE. The gifts need to be in operation, and there's not enough of it in our churches. The gifts do not determine spirituality. The Corinthians had them all and were yet carnal. But the gifts are meant to benefit people spiritually. And we are to ...

1Co 14:1 KJV.. Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.

God wants them in his church,

1Co 12:1 KJV.. Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

1Co 12:7 KJV.. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

the fruit determine spirituality, not gifts. But Jesus went out of his way to go to Samaria and tell a woman things about her life that she already knew, to awaken her up to the fact that He was a prophet, and then to see more of Jesus than just a mere prophet!

Yes, there is a purpose and it is necessary. How can you question God who obviously did this and ask him why he gave that information of addresses and names? God is the one who gave it to Reed. Reed says that he only tells people what he gets from God. But it always leads toward something like a restoration with the woman from South Africa, or as with one woman, she was told the name of her company and was told she would act in some sort of intercessory way for that workplace.

Even a sinner knew better than mockery.

Act 5:38-39 KJV.. And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: ..(39).. But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.

mfblume 05-11-2020 08:29 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1587860)
I was impressed. So far.

I will have the full video out on youtube soon. Will give the link later.

In our service yesterday he asked about my mom. She is from a family of 19 kids. He did not know she would be on the stream watching, and she lives out of province here in Canada. I mentioned her since it was mother's day. So, he asked if I could bring up her name, as the chat stream shows who is watching and their comments. He then proceeded to tell her 11 of the 19 names of brothers and sisters, and some of their spouses. Then he proceeded to tell her that she had been used in the Spirit many years ago (RIGHT ON THE MONEY) and that this would be restored, and how religion got her ut of the Spiritual gifts in her life. Then he spoke of a spiritual revival in her entire family. He other family members whom he named, then came and watched after it was over and still online. And this is all while there is one of the brothers who is in serious health condition with cancer, and it gripped all of their hearts. In fact, HIS NAME and his wife's name were the first ones that he mentioned to my mom. And then he described the pain that he was not sure if my mom was suffering or not with. It turned out that it was this brother who is ill. It blessed the whole family n this time of hardship. I was weeping with joy.

Brother, it seems sinners get more of a blessing and reality check when they hear these things than some believers!

What a mother's day for my mom!

mfblume 05-11-2020 08:40 AM

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On another highlight, he asked about a man whose name popped up as people were chatting and praising God, and there were two people named DANIEL. One was in our church and another is from a man who follows my ministry from ND. He said it was the man who was not in our church. He named the town he just moved from, and it was a couple of months ago. He asked if he had some kind of business experience, and he should begin his own business. He said that this was exactly what he was wanting to do. So they prayed about this to come to pass and work out.

Another sister was told of a son she had and that he had been sick and the enemy tried to take him out many times. So they prayed for his health and protection. And prayed about a daughter, then named her company. I mentioned her in an earlier post, that she would be used to do some intercession for the company she worked with.

mfblume 05-11-2020 09:14 AM

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For those with facebook, the entire service is here:

https://www.facebook.com/sidneybreat...66431763599304

Michael The Disciple 05-11-2020 09:15 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
I was actually there at the Facebook meeting. Like I said I thought it was impressive. I have experienced the prophetic gifts in my own life and seen it among my friends and other Ministers.

It is like you said. A manifestation to awaken us to the presence and sensitivity toward God. It was obviously in Jesus ministry.

mfblume 05-11-2020 09:22 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1587875)
I was actually there at the Facebook meeting. Like I said I thought it was impressive. I have experienced the prophetic gifts in my own life and seen it among my friends and other Ministers.

It is like you said. A manifestation to awaken us to the presence and sensitivity toward God. It was obviously in Jesus ministry.

Amen. Thanks for checking it out!

The woman named Michelle that he called out, she attends my cousin's church in Winnipeg, and felt to watch our meeting that morning. And then he felt to speak to her and she was incredibly blessed. And he ministered to her about her two daughters and named her son. And that was a powerful mother's day for her.

Whoop Harted 05-12-2020 01:27 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Ah, but did he tell them their SS number? That is the real test of a prophet!!

Esaias 05-12-2020 02:48 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
I have a question. In the Bible, prophets either bluntly gave the word of the Lord, or, if they asked questions, they already knew the answers. On the other hand, psychics, mediums, and frauds (fake psychics, fake palm readers, etc), always ask questions, often leading questions. Kind of like an attorney doing a cross examination. The psychics and fraudsters and attorneys (and psychologists) use the answer to one question to lead into the next one. The client, mark, witness, or patient is always amazed at "how much insight the questioner has". Because it is the answers to the leading questions that give the practitioner the necessary clues for the next question. Basically social engineering.

So my question is, why does this guy seem to be using the latter methodology, rather than the former? Asking questions, I mean? "Is there a Fred on the line? I recall seeing a Fred? Okay, Fred, where are you at? What city? New York? Ok, okay... Uh... Ok.... Does the name "Joe" mean anything to you? Know anybody named Joe? Oh, you have a cousin named Joe? Okay, all right... What about... December? Ring any bells? I haven't any prior contact with Joe, folks... Oh, Joe was at a Christmas party and got indigestion? Okay, so... Okay... You know, Joe.... Has Joe been feeling down? Depressed? Worried? Oh, you say he's been upset about his finances? Okay, so... I'm thinking there's a weight issue? Maybe obesity.... Or some kind of health issue having to... What? He's diabetic? Okay, so I'm seeing some blood pressure problems... Yes? That's correct? " etc.

I'm genuinely asking why modern day prophets seem to operate so much like palm readers or George Popoff? Is it just me? Or does anyone else wonder these things as well?

diakonos 05-12-2020 03:36 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
I haven’t had a chance to view the video

Whoop Harted 05-12-2020 07:36 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
I am underwhelmed.

mfblume 05-12-2020 08:01 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1587895)
I haven’t had a chance to view the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCsePdSUN14

james34 05-12-2020 08:19 AM

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Well this is a public forum......never is a prophet or dreamer to be followed just because the things they speak of (not names and addresses) comes to pass. You follow the word of God, if the professed prophet adheres to the word then maybe he can also be extended the right hand of fellowship(RIGHT HAND of FELLOWSHIP....What this entails is a lesson on it's own and well worth digging into and we should not non chalantely be extending this depth of trust and fellowship to everyone.).....these things are established with time ,and fruit bearing , knowing them that labor among you...consequently a prerequisite to fellowship that cannot be attained via an internet connection.
If a prophet or dreamer of dreams dream a dream or has a vision and it comes to pass and yet they lead away from the Word of God , these people are by definition the most dangerous that one could meet.

mfblume 05-12-2020 08:41 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1587894)
I have a question. In the Bible, prophets either bluntly gave the word of the Lord, or, if they asked questions, they already knew the answers. On the other hand, psychics, mediums, and frauds (fake psychics, fake palm readers, etc), always ask questions, often leading questions. Kind of like an attorney doing a cross examination. The psychics and fraudsters and attorneys (and psychologists) use the answer to one question to lead into the next one. The client, mark, witness, or patient is always amazed at "how much insight the questioner has". Because it is the answers to the leading questions that give the practitioner the necessary clues for the next question. Basically social engineering.

So my question is, why does this guy seem to be using the latter methodology, rather than the former? Asking questions, I mean? "Is there a Fred on the line? I recall seeing a Fred? Okay, Fred, where are you at? What city? New York? Ok, okay... Uh... Ok.... Does the name "Joe" mean anything to you? Know anybody named Joe? Oh, you have a cousin named Joe? Okay, all right... What about... December? Ring any bells? I haven't any prior contact with Joe, folks... Oh, Joe was at a Christmas party and got indigestion? Okay, so... Okay... You know, Joe.... Has Joe been feeling down? Depressed? Worried? Oh, you say he's been upset about his finances? Okay, so... I'm thinking there's a weight issue? Maybe obesity.... Or some kind of health issue having to... What? He's diabetic? Okay, so I'm seeing some blood pressure problems... Yes? That's correct? " etc.

I'm genuinely asking why modern day prophets seem to operate so much like palm readers or George Popoff? Is it just me? Or does anyone else wonder these things as well?

Deuteronomy 13:1-4.. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, ..(2).. And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; ..(3).. Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. ..(4).. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

We are not told that if a certain manner is similar between psychics/false prophets and true prophets, then the prophet is false. We are told of the direction of worship and praise and dedication that is urged through the use of the miracle to learn the truth of the prophet. If the outcome is to lead you to false gods, then similarity is not the issue. The direction to which the "gift" leads is the issue.

Moses threw down the rod and it became a serpent. The magicians did the same. Was that manner of doing the ct of the miracle wrong with Moses because the magicians used the same manner? No. But Moses' swallowed up the others.

And the magicians did many of the SAME THINGS Moses did in the same manner. Manner was not the issue.

Exodus 7:20-22.. And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. ..(21).. And the fish that was in the river died; and the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink of the water of the river; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt. ..(22).. And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 8:6-7.. And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt. ..(7).. And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

But they could not do beyond that, as with dust turning to lice.

When we see a prophet do similar things that a psychic does, we ought to question more how the psychic does them so similarly, rather than the other way around, for the psychic is the counterfeit and will be known by leading people to other gods. The devil counterfeits what God started, meaning all that psychics do are counters that follow what God initiated with true prophets. When the similarity leads people to God it is genuine, as per the words of the Bible.

mfblume 05-12-2020 08:46 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by james34 (Post 1587902)
Well this is a public forum......never is a prophet or dreamer to be followed just because the things they speak of (not names and addresses) comes to pass. You follow the word of God, if the professed prophet adheres to the word then maybe he can also be extended the right hand of fellowship(RIGHT HAND of FELLOWSHIP....What this entails is a lesson on it's own and well worth digging into and we should not non chalantely be extending this depth of trust and fellowship to everyone.).....these things are established with time ,and fruit bearing , knowing them that labor among you...consequently a prerequisite to fellowship that cannot be attained via an internet connection.
If a prophet or dreamer of dreams dream a dream or has a vision and it comes to pass and yet they lead away from the Word of God , these people are by definition the most dangerous that one could meet.

I just posted this very thing as confirmation before I read yours.

Michael The Disciple 05-12-2020 10:58 AM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1587903)
Deuteronomy 13:1-4.. If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, ..(2).. And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; ..(3).. Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. ..(4).. Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

We are not told that if a certain manner is similar between psychics/false prophets and true prophets, then the prophet is false. We are told of the direction of worship and praise and dedication that is urged through the use of the miracle to learn the truth of the prophet. If the outcome is to lead you to false gods, then similarity is not the issue. The direction to which the "gift" leads is the issue.

Moses threw down the rod and it became a serpent. The magicians did the same. Was that manner of doing the ct of the miracle wrong with Moses because the magicians used the same manner? No. But Moses' swallowed up the others.

And the magicians did many of the SAME THINGS Moses did in the same manner. Manner was not the issue.

Exodus 7:20-22.. And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood. ..(21).. And the fish that was in the river died; and the river stank, and the Egyptians could not drink of the water of the river; and there was blood throughout all the land of Egypt. ..(22).. And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 8:6-7.. And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt. ..(7).. And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

But they could not do beyond that, as with dust turning to lice.

When we see a prophet do similar things that a psychic does, we ought to question more how the psychic does them so similarly, rather than the other way around, for the psychic is the counterfeit and will be known by leading people to other gods. The devil counterfeits what God started, meaning all that psychics do are counters that follow what God initiated with true prophets. When the similarity leads people to God it is genuine, as per the words of the Bible.

Excellent answer to a good question.:highfive

Note in my first post I said I'm impressed...so far. I am checking out his Youtube Channel.

mfblume 05-12-2020 11:07 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1587910)
Excellent answer to a good question.:highfive

Note in my first post I said I'm impressed...so far. I am checking out his Youtube Channel.

Thanks and Amen, the Bible says judge prophecies! :thumbsup

KeptByTheWord 05-12-2020 02:25 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
I guess it just comes with the territory because of all the water under the bridge, that we have become skeptical of anyone operating the gifts of the spirit. Because of flawed human nature, spiritual gifts can easily be misused. So that is why it is always wise to judge the fruit and not just the gift itself. If the fruit is ultimately leading and pointing to Christ, and not seeking its own self-glorification, that is worthy of paying attention to.

mfblume 05-12-2020 02:50 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1587921)
I guess it just comes with the territory because of all the water under the bridge, that we have become skeptical of anyone operating the gifts of the spirit. Because of flawed human nature, spiritual gifts can easily be misused. So that is why it is always wise to judge the fruit and not just the gift itself. If the fruit is ultimately leading and pointing to Christ, and not seeking its own self-glorification, that is worthy of paying attention to.

:thumbsup

mfblume 05-12-2020 02:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Whoop Harted (Post 1587897)
I am underwhelmed.

But are you directed to praise Jesus? Are the gifts supposed to overwhelm us? Or direct worship to Jesus?

mfblume 05-12-2020 03:28 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord (Post 1587921)
I guess it just comes with the territory because of all the water under the bridge, that we have become skeptical of anyone operating the gifts of the spirit. Because of flawed human nature, spiritual gifts can easily be misused. So that is why it is always wise to judge the fruit and not just the gift itself. If the fruit is ultimately leading and pointing to Christ, and not seeking its own self-glorification, that is worthy of paying attention to.

The reason there is so much skepticism about those who operate gifts is because people do not understand how gifts fit into the Kingdom.

Paul said the Corinthians came behind in NO GIFT. They had them all!

1 Corinthians 1:7 So that ye come behind in no gift; waiting for the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ:

But, they were so carnal that he could not talk to them about spiritual things. This sounds so offkey because gifts are SPIRITUAL, and yet the people are not spiritual. One would assume that only spiritual people can operate spiritual gifts.

1 Cor 3: 1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

And the reason was that they also had works of the flesh:

3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Notice ENVY, STRIFE and DIVISIONS.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

(Seditions are divisions)

Jesus spoke of the entrance into the Kingdom and referred to the gifts:

Matt 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:

So, like these Corinthians, those who operated the gifts but were not carrying their crosses and following Jesus (workers of iniquity who did not hear HIS WORDS and obey them) were those who would not enter the kingdom.

So, this tells us that operation of the gifts is not dependent upon spirituality and even being right with God!

Because people do not understand this, and assume that anyone operating in deep supernatural manners must be spiritual, they are afraid of the gifts, and something makes them hesitate about accepting them, when they see these people preach error and live in sin. That something is their lack of awareness of the possibility to operate in the gifts and yet STILL NOT EVEN BE RIGHT WITH GOD. So, people see someone not right with God and operating gifts, and they get turned off them all.

Branham preached serpent seed and was deeply used in the world of knowledge.

Jack Coe saw miracles and died in an iron lung.

AA Allan was a miracle worker and an alcoholic.

But when one understands what Paul said in the above passages, along with Jesus' words, we know that one is not necessarily correctly serving God just because they're operating the GENUINE gifts. Jesus did not say that those whom he informed were never known by him were not operating genuine works of God's power in Jesus' name! He simply did not look for that, as they assumed HE WOULD and appealed to those gifts, when they were disallowed into the kingdom.

Once you know that, then you lose that resistance and skepticism, and realize that we need to look to others things to determine our spirituality such as the fruit and willingness to follow Jesus with our crosses, and not supernatural feats of gifts of the Spirit.

That does not mean we should avoid the gifts! But just know that they are not meant to determine spirituality, but benefit the body of Christ. And spirituality is found elsewhere. So, a truly spiritual person, like Paul the Apostle, would operate gifts and also bear fruit of the Spirit while carrying his cross!

Esaias 05-12-2020 03:41 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1587927)
The reason there is so much skepticism about those who operate gifts is because people do not understand how gifts fit into the Kingdom.

In my case skepticism is due to experiences. Not saying Mr Reed is a fraud or an occultist. I was just wondering why my experiences with genuine prophetic gifts and reading descriptions in the Word do not match this questioning format, whereas my experiences with occultism and fraudsters does.

Esaias 05-12-2020 03:43 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1587927)
Branham preached serpent seed and was deeply used in the world of knowledge.

Jack Coe saw miracles and died in an iron lung.

AA Allan was a miracle worker and an alcoholic.

I don't believe these guys were anymore genuinely gifted than Benny Hinn or Ellen White, to be honest.

mfblume 05-12-2020 03:44 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1587928)
In my case skepticism is due to experiences. Not saying Mr Reed is a fraud or an occultist. I was just wondering why my experiences with genuine prophetic gifts and reading descriptions in the Word do not match this questioning format, whereas my experiences with occultism and fraudsters does.

I was not necessarily referring to you.

However, our experiences may not cover the gamut of what is actually of God. For that reason, we can only go by the proper standard of the Word. And the word did not say that the magicians weren't of God because they did not lay their rods down in the precise way that Moses did when they turned into serpents.

mfblume 05-12-2020 03:45 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1587929)
I don't believe these guys were anymore genuinely gifted than Benny Hinn or Ellen White, to be honest.

I believe Branham definitely was. But it would not surprise me if the other were because I know that their error of faith and understanding does not limit God from using them in the genuine gifts

mfblume 05-12-2020 03:51 PM

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Another note:

Those who knew Jesus was Lord used His name and did the wonders.

But Jesus never knew them.

But they knew Him!

Paul made an interesting note about this in the same chapter about the gifts.

1 Cor 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

You cannot know Jesus is Lord but by the Spirit.

This reminds me of Peter knowing who Jesus is, and so much so that Jesus declared the Father revealed it to him in Matt 16. He genuinely had an experience with God to know who Jesus is. However, like Matt 7 where Jesus said he did not know the Lord-Lord criers and that they were not hearing HIS WORD and obeying it, when Jesus spoke to Peter about the cross, Peter resisted. And that's when Jesus called him satan.

What are workers of iniquity whom Jesus does not know? Those who do not carry their crosses.

So, the reason why you can say LORD LORD and know who Jesus is, like Peter, and yet perform wonder in his name that you know is the name of the LORD and Him not know YOU and be lost, is because we must go further than knowing HIS IDENTITY and LORDSHIP and listen TO HIS WORDS (from the SON) about the cross, and OBEY IT!!

This means you can hear from the FATHER about the Son's Identity, but not hear the second revelation from the SON about the cross.

Jesus said to Peter "AND I SAY ALSO UNTO THEE." And proceeded to speak of the cross.

So, Jesus said HEAR MY WORDS and obey them...

Michael The Disciple 05-12-2020 03:59 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1587929)
I don't believe these guys were anymore genuinely gifted than Benny Hinn or Ellen White, to be honest.

Two of my Aunts having cancer went to an A.A. Allen meeting in 1965. They were both healed. One lived until 1990. The other till at least 2000.

mfblume 05-12-2020 04:01 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1587934)
Two of my Aunts having cancer went to an A.A. Allen meeting in 1965. They were both healed. One lived until 1990. The other till at least 2000.

:thumbsup

You heard of Sister Charlotte the Ex-nun? Her sister, Babe, was healed of cancer, I believe, in a William Branham meeting as well.

TakingDominion 05-12-2020 04:14 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
He has a beard... Can't possibly be a prophet

mfblume 05-12-2020 04:16 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TakingDominion (Post 1587937)
He has a beard... Can't possibly be a prophet

Well, I do, and I'm a prophet!


lol

diakonos 05-12-2020 04:34 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
he stated that the difference between a psychic and a prophet is that a psychic sees the future, but a prophet creates the future..


WHAAT!??

mfblume 05-12-2020 06:44 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1587942)
he stated that the difference between a psychic and a prophet is that a psychic sees the future, but a prophet creates the future..


WHAAT!??

Prophets can pronounce things to take place. Elijah calling fire down from heaven to the false prophets, for example. Surely you heard of that.
Elijah commanded the sky to not rain for 3.5 years!

Esaias 05-12-2020 06:57 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 1587931)
I believe Branham definitely was. But it would not surprise me if the other were because I know that their error of faith and understanding does not limit God from using them in the genuine gifts

It's not so much an "error of their faith" as much as it is they were, as far as I can tell, low rent religious used car salesmen. To put it mildly.

Esaias 05-12-2020 06:59 PM

Re: Chris Reed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 1587934)
Two of my Aunts having cancer went to an A.A. Allen meeting in 1965. They were both healed. One lived until 1990. The other till at least 2000.

Somebody hearing that Jesus heals and they get healed is different than a person having the gift of healing.

Just saying.


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