Tattoos
 

How many do you have? What was the inspiration? Have you considers getting more?


:D

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:stirpot

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This CBD bathbomb is delightful! 😆


One tat. EMS star of life on left inner forearm with red EKG lines coming out the sides.


When I got it I had been a basic for like 3 years and I had originally wanted it done in Celtic style knotwork and thats not something anyone can do well so I settled...we were out eating Chinese at Sees *Best non buffet chinese restaurant I have EVER been to* in Vicksburg Ms.



I kinda pumped myself up for it and went for it.


The pain was....interesting. lol


I went to Walmart after and nearly passed out not from the pain level or intensity directly itself but the secondary effect of the heightened adrenaline for so long all of a sudden putting the body into a reset once it realized that things were normal.


Am I getting another?


Probably not.


Different priorities now.


But if I did I have plenty of ideas to draw upon.


One of the funniest I saw was a guy with a tattoo on his chest above his heart telling whatever medic that is giving him CPR to work harder lol.


He made it btw apparently so I guess the extra instruction worked.

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One.

Gang tat.

No.

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I have JESUS written in my forehead.

Any other marks would defile His temple.

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Jude 1:8 (KJV) Likewise also these [filthy] dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Do a little research on “defile the flesh”. May be surprised and wha you find.

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Leviticus 19:28 KJV
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord .

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Ok. Yes it does say that. For...the...dead or are the marks not referring to ones for the dead?


From the what I found it was speaking of cutting and tattoos used for specific funeral rituals where they would mark themselves to gain favor from the deity in question for the departed.


Also, does stretchmarks from overeating count against me in the "marks" category or is it just the gluttony I need to worry about and what about those sweaty sock tracks you get on your legs when your socks are too tight?


Fooey Ill just go back to flip-flops. 😆


But seriously...is the text differentiating between non for the dead tats and "normal"?

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Bro, Jude wasn't talking about tattooing, or painting. But using the word "to stain" in the Judaic sense of "to be stained with sin."

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Leviticus 19:28 is referring to ritual self mutilation, 1st Kings 18:24-29, and Deuteronomy 14:1.

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For the dead is the context.

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Thank you...

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Thanks again

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Ok, ok... so I saw that someone posted a video of a guy justifying Christians getting tattoos. And I’ve never heard a good response as to why Christians should not get tattoos. So...

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Jesus turned water into alcoholic wine so everyone could get drunk. Nothing wrong with cannabis as long as you’re sanctified enough to handle the effects. And now there is no scriptural basis against tattoos. This forum sure is producing a strange breed of “Apostolic”.

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Welcome to the New Age Apostolic Church. With all the craziness we’re seeing in the world, you don’t think it creeps in unawares in the church?...

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Two separate clauses: no cuttings for the dead (that's one clause) NOR (a negative conjunction joining two clauses) print any marks upon you (a second clause). Two clauses, two things. It does not read "no cuttings nor printing any marks for the dead", but "no cuttings for the dead nor printing any marks upon you."

Young's Literal Translation: ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh; and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I [am] Jehovah.

Brenton's English Translation of the LXX: 28And ye shall not make cuttings in your body for a dead body, and ye shall not inscribe on yourselves any marks. I am the Lord your God.

Orthodox Jewish Bible: 28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your basar for the dead, nor tattoo any marks upon you: I am Hashem.

Ellicot's Commentary: Nor print any marks upon you.—This, according to the ancient authorities, was effected by making punctures in the skin to impress certain figures or words, and then filling the cut places with stibium, ink, or some other colour. The practice of tattooing prevailed among all nations of antiquity, both among savages and civilised nations, The slave had impressed upon his body the initials of his master, the soldier those of his general, and the worshipper the image of his tutelar deity. To obviate this disfiguration of the body which bore the impress of God’s image, and yet to exhibit the emblem of his creed, the Mosaic Law enacted that the Hebrew should have phylacteries which he is to bind as “a sign” upon his hand, and as “a memorial” between his eyes “that the Lord’s law may be in his mouth” (Exodus 13:9; Exodus 13:16; Deuteronomy 6:8; Deuteronomy 11:18).

Leviticus 19:26 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Verse 26 likewise contains two clauses, but nobody is going to argue that it's okay to use enchantments and observe times as long as it doesn't involve eating blood.

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It is also referring to the common heathen practice of printing marks upon the body via burning, scarification, tattooing, henna, etc.

There are two separate clauses: no cuttings for the dead (that's one clause) NOR (a negative conjunction joining two clauses) print any marks upon you (a second clause). Two clauses, two things. It does not read "no cuttings nor printing any marks for the dead", but "no cuttings for the dead nor printing any marks upon you."

Young's Literal Translation: ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh; and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I [am] Jehovah.

Brenton's English Translation of the LXX: 28And ye shall not make cuttings in your body for a dead body, and ye shall not inscribe on yourselves any marks. I am the Lord your God.

Orthodox Jewish Bible: 28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your basar for the dead, nor tattoo any marks upon you: I am Hashem.

Ellicot's Commentary: Nor print any marks upon you.—This, according to the ancient authorities, was effected by making punctures in the skin to impress certain figures or words, and then filling the cut places with stibium, ink, or some other colour. The practice of tattooing prevailed among all nations of antiquity, both among savages and civilised nations, The slave had impressed upon his body the initials of his master, the soldier those of his general, and the worshipper the image of his tutelar deity. To obviate this disfiguration of the body which bore the impress of God’s image, and yet to exhibit the emblem of his creed, the Mosaic Law enacted that the Hebrew should have phylacteries which he is to bind as “a sign” upon his hand, and as “a memorial” between his eyes “that the Lord’s law may be in his mouth” (Exodus 13:9; Exodus 13:16; Deuteronomy 6:8; Deuteronomy 11:18).

Leviticus 19:26 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Verse 26 likewise contains two clauses, but nobody is going to argue that it's okay to use enchantments and observe times as long as it doesn't involve eating blood.

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There are two separate clauses: no cuttings for the dead (that's one clause) NOR (a negative conjunction joining two clauses) print any marks upon you (a second clause). Two clauses, two things. It does not read "no cuttings nor printing any marks for the dead", but "no cuttings for the dead nor printing any marks upon you."

Young's Literal Translation: ‘And a cutting for the soul ye do not put in your flesh; and a writing, a cross-mark, ye do not put on you; I [am] Jehovah.

Brenton's English Translation of the LXX: 28And ye shall not make cuttings in your body for a dead body, and ye shall not inscribe on yourselves any marks. I am the Lord your God.

Orthodox Jewish Bible: 28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your basar for the dead, nor tattoo any marks upon you: I am Hashem.

Ellicot's Commentary: Nor print any marks upon you.—This, according to the ancient authorities, was effected by making punctures in the skin to impress certain figures or words, and then filling the cut places with stibium, ink, or some other colour. The practice of tattooing prevailed among all nations of antiquity, both among savages and civilised nations, The slave had impressed upon his body the initials of his master, the soldier those of his general, and the worshipper the image of his tutelar deity. To obviate this disfiguration of the body which bore the impress of God’s image, and yet to exhibit the emblem of his creed, the Mosaic Law enacted that the Hebrew should have phylacteries which he is to bind as “a sign” upon his hand, and as “a memorial” between his eyes “that the Lord’s law may be in his mouth” (Exodus 13:9; Exodus 13:16; Deuteronomy 6:8; Deuteronomy 11:18).

Leviticus 19:26 KJV
Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, nor observe times.

Verse 26 likewise contains two clauses, but nobody is going to argue that it's okay to use enchantments and observe times as long as it doesn't involve eating blood.

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Sin is transgression of the law. The law does not prohibit alcohol in all cases. In fact, God commands the use of wine in certain cases, and authorises the use of both wine and even strong drink in certain cases. This cannot be denied without denying the plain declarations of God Himself in the Bible.

Yet the Bible also denounces drunkenness, revellings, and excess due to intoxication, as things that will forfeit access to eternal life.

God is neither a prohibitionist, nor a libertine.

Cannabis may fall under the same general principles (as it is not directly addressed in Scripture) but likely may fall under prohibitions against witchcraft due to the nature of THC's peculiar effects. One thing we have to keep in mind is that while all things may be lawful they may not be expedient (smart) and we aren't supposed to be living by the rule of "What is the least I can get by with?" but rather "Father, what do YOU want me to do?"

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Awesome :yourock

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Well, no NT prohibition

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No NT prohibition against bestiality, either.

But the NT says this:

1 John 3:4 KJV
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

And this:

Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

And this:

Romans 2:12-16 KJV
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law; [13] (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. [14] For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: [15] Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;) [16] In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.

And this:

Matthew 5:17-20 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. [19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. [20] For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

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Let's see the use of the Old Testament in the New Testament to teach conduct:

* It can teach us righteousness, holiness, in general the present will of God for us: 2Ti 3:16
* The apostles used its examples: 1 Cor 10:6-11
* The apostles used the commandments directly: Eph 6:1-3
* The apostles used the principle behind a commandment, which was not directly applicable: 1 Cor 9:9-11; Deut 7:3-4 and 2 Cor 6:14-15
* Jesus used the beginning of creation to teach the perfect will of God: Mat 19:3-8
* The apostle Paul referred also to the beginning of creation to teach right from wrong: Rom 1:26-27.

Why is this? Because all the Scripture is inspired by God, therefore we should seek to understand God's will and person in it.

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https://www.instagram.com/p/CCj7i5aFqpI/
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCe1qpbldK6/

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To be honest, if you're really wanting a tattoo, a direct NT prohibition wouldn't make that much of a difference. If you're really wanting to please God and be identified with a holy church, a direct NT prohibition isn't needed. Do what you will.

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#beapostolic

:heeheehee

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I already kinda explained the purpose for posting the thread.

Take your attitude,..

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Pre or post conversion?

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Good question. The prohibition against tattooing is not a prohibition against HAVING them. A person with tattoos who then becomes a Christian should not be bothered by their brethren about tattoos. And even if a Christian did get a tattoo (almost certainly out of ignorance concerning the divine prohibition) there is such a thing as repentance and moving on.

The whole issue applies primarily to the person contemplating getting a tattoo, and secondarily to the person who got one and needs to acknowledge that doing so was a transgression of God's law.

It's not like we don't have bigger fish to fry...

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That's a good question.

I don't agree, however, with this "Apostolic" company using him or other guys with tats as models for their "Apostolic" shirts.

It's one thing to have tats from before you were saved and not remove them but not flex them either.

This dude, and a couple others, are showing them off like it's okay to have tats and be Apostolic.

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So if its such a problem with you and we are called to the ministry of reconciliation and you are obviously burdened about this are you opening up a tattoo removal ministry?


I mean you're harping on something that turns into making the sinner the loser no matter what even if the repent.


So they suppose to wear a burqua from head to toe lest they lead the innocent into sin?


Whats your answer to all this for making it right?


Everybody just swirling around the drain while you watch with your hand on the flushing lever.


Wheres the redemption story in that?

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You quoted but didn’t read his post. Good grief.

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Nope


Perhaps you missed what I posted above. Let me explain it a little clearer hopefully for you...

I know good men in church who, prior to their conversion, had tattoos. After getting in church, they obviously still had the tattoos but they didn’t show them off or do anything that would appear to be promoting tattoos.

The two photos I linked to literally has a guy flexing in one photo showing not only his forearm tats, but his upper arms as well. The other photo is just as blatant.

If you can’t see it, I can’t help you.

They may have the tattoos from before salvation but it doesn’t mean they need to glorify them or show them off like in the photos above.

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Our church is full of pre-conversion tats. Most try to cover them as much as possible. I don’t know of anyone who is showcasing them. Guy in the pic was def showcasing them. Even after we have been washed, sanctified and justified, we shouldn’t be proud of the thing that we are washed of. The desire to flaunt tats is the desire to identify with the world.

But to be fair, if your sippin jack and using cannabis in between your glossolalia...I really wouldn’t expect you to have real great judgment about tats either..

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He likes to bloviate. :heeheehee

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I learned from the best 😁

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:nod

Unless you're a newborn in Christ (and maybe not even then), losing your salvation doesn't happen all at once, it's a process. Some people forget that falling away occurs in degrees. The longer you've been serving the Lord, the less likely you are just to fall straight into sin. You're far more likely to get drawn away from the Lord through the enticement of your own lusts, and then fall into sin.

I was about to make that same point, but you beat me to it.

:thumbsup

:nod