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Logically, and historically, Trump should be re-elected fairly easily. This is classically the case for most incumbents, even during tough times. George H.W. Bush would have been re-elected had it not been for Ross Perot. Carter was strapped with a looming Soviet threat that he ignored, the Iranian hostage crisis, and a lagging economy. He is the outlier in all of this.

Trump has a solid economy, even with Covid disrupting it. His policies are popular. The wall is underway. We are completely energy independent and now surpassing the Saudis as the world's largest energy exporter. Trump's approval rating is lagging a bit but most likely will be at 50% on election day just like Obama's was.

In spite of every indicator that he should win, he will not. I hate to say it. Here are the reasons why.

1. Ohio voters are fickle. Factory closings continued after Trump took office. Oh, that trend is already slowing down and will completely reverse in a second Trump term. But that is not enough quick enough for the average blue collar worker there who will vote the Dems back in even though they blame the Dems for jobs being shipped out of the country. They are shallow and lack foresight.

2. Though Trump has withstood the media like no other President in history, the onslaught of lies and mistruths has begun to make just enough voters weary to the point they believe voting Trump out will cause discord to subside.

3. Voter fraud will be rampant and will cost Trump the rust belt states he won last time.


So, I predict a narrow Biden win on election night. May God permit me to be wrong about this.

AMENDMENT: Whie I agree that polls will tighten by election day, I still predict that Rasmaussen's weekly election poll released tomorrow will show Biden up by a full 10. Rasmaussen is one of the most unbiased polls out there.

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You still think Presidents are selected by voters. Good grief.

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You believe that all elections have been fake. Good grief.

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What do you think would happen if only 25% of Biden voters showed up to vote?

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While technically you're right, the voters do influence the Electoral College votes. So while the popular vote may not elect the president, it doesn't mean they have no affect at all.

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:thumbsup

I also believe that if Biden wins, it will simply be because of voter fraud that they have purposefully set up for that purpose.

I still believe that Trump will get a blow out win. I am hearing and seeing many people register to vote who have never voted in the past (people in my own family), many who have been never-Trumpers (like myself) change their minds, and I believe there is a silent majority who will speak on Election Day. I do not believe this country wants Kamala Harris as President.

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Elections in this country are funny, and the judging after is quite skewed.

Take for instance the "Popular vote versus the electoral vote.

Hillary appeared to win the popular vote by almost 3 million more votes, but even that is not really an indicator of the real popular vote.

Let me give an example of that.

In many strong Trump states many who would have and could have voted for Trump didn't. Why? because they knew that in their state the electoral was already destined for Trump so.. why bother? They just sat at home and watched it play out. The problem with that is for the record, their vote didn't matter.

Clintons people were more galvanized to vote and they did, but they still lost the electoral vote in most states thus giving Trump the victory.

I see a situation today that is much more polarizing than 4 years ago. We are closer to civil war in many areas than ever before. I fully expect more people to get out and vote than 4 years ago. It is going to be interesting, that is for sure.

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A candidate has to win from 3-5% of the popular vote to win the electoral college. Hillary only got 2%.

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You are right. I was speaking of the numerical difference I guess.

What I was saying was that the reason that Trumps numbers weren't quite as high was that in many of his strongholds people assumed that Trump was going to win there and just got .... lazy?

I think this time that it is going to be higher.

As far as Biden's poll numbers.... they are not correct. This is traditional for every election. The poll numbers right now are trying to be used by various ones and are being manipulated. As the elections draw closer then the numbers will get closer to being true because otherwise the pollsters would lose their reputations. We saw that 4 years ago and we will see that again this year. Watch as the election draws closer and you will see the polls tighten. Whoever wins will probably win by small percentage of popular vote.

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Because we are such a closely divided nation, I can see that. However, I am taking Blexit into consideration and the Hispanic poll after the debate. It looks like a substantial swing toward Trump, regardless of how the media is reporting it. He may win on a larger margin than what is being anticipated. We shall see.

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Can somebody help me understand the reasoning behind "if Trump loses, it must be voter fraud"? Democrats have won the popular vote in 6 of the last 7 elections. If Trump loses, couldn't it just be that a whole lot of people don't like him?

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It's a given he will lose the popular vote no matter what. I was referring to the voter fraud in rust belt states causing him to lose the Electoral College.

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The difference is that the Democrats are sending out mass mail-in ballots. That is different from absentee ballots.

Absentee ballots are requested by a certain person who can't make it to a polling place.

Mass Mail-in ballots are not requested and are sent to addresses where people no longer reside, have died, etc. There is NO accountability with Mass Mail-in voting.

It opens up the huge possibility for voter fraud. One example is ballot harvesting. Ilan Omer in Minnesota is under investigation for paying workers to tell people to vote for her, picking up the ballots and submitting them. They are on video with hundreds of envelopes in the cars. That is voter fraud.

If the people were allowed to go in and vote for themselves, with an ID (Thank you, Texas), we wouldn't have these problems. They are using the Pandemic as a means to grab this election from the Republicans.

Some states are also moving election deadlines for two weeks or more. That gives them the means to flip the Electoral College as more, supposedly, ballots trickle in.

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Understood, but why is fraud more likely than voters returning to previous distributions? Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin each went Democrat 6 of the last 7 elections, while Ohio went Democrat 4 of the last 7.

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As a follow-up: Is there any margin of victory for Biden that you would accept as legitimate? In other words, if he wins by X% or Y number of votes, there's no way voter fraud could account for that many votes.

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I can’t answer your question. Being that they are pushing the mass mail-in ballots, we will have to see what happens. All of the pushing the deadlines two or three weeks is very concerning. It is a crazy year.

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Yeah, let's just ignore the massive documented election fraud that has been occurring with the last several Presidential elections, the documented election fraud occurring with the voting machines, the documented unmitigated corruption rampant at all levels of the media, the government, and so on and so forth.

Instead, let's play fantasy (political) football and stay nice and sleepy as the whole of western civilisation burns down around us.

Your grandchildren, if you have any, will surely thank you for it.

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Much appreciated :tiphat

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It doesn't matter who wins or loses, there is simply no way to verify any election result as being valid. Period. Full stop. /debate.

It doesn't matter who votes or who they vote for. It only matters who counts the votes.

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There are churches praying for a Biden win.

Will God honor their prayers?

Yes?

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God may honor instead this prayer:

1 Timothy 2:1-4
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

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He answered Israel's prayer when they demanded a king.

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Actually, the way it works is like this.

God tells Jesus to keep count of the Biden prayers from churches, and Michael keeps track of the Trump prayers from churches! At the end of the day whoever has the most prayers wins.

Or somthing like that.

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:thumbsup

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:happydance :thumbsup

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Let's see if my prediction about the Rasmaussen election poll comes to pass. Trump will be down 10 or more.

Their daily approval rating has him plunging to 44%.

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I voted for Trump (absentee ballot) but, I'm not convinced of anything as to the outcome. If I've learned anything in 2020, it's that our government is not to be trusted. That being said, Jesus has a plan, and He is trust worthy. If the early church thrived under Roman occupation, we can under communism.

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Oh Lord, don't say it. And we thought Covid was bad.

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The fact that the church can thrive under communism does not mean the church MUST or SHOULD thrive under communism. It is the duty of every Apostolic believer to take up arms against communism or any other form of tyranny.

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Trump now trailing by TWELVE in the Rasmaussen poll. It is time to plan accordingly.

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Whaaaaaaaat?

Where do you get this from the Good Book?

Verse and Scripture please.

Otherwise you are just another anarchist.

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Were our Founding Father anarchists?

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I have not met a single Trump voter in 4 years that changed their mind. His base is solid.

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Not enough people will think that deeply.

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Don't you mean "it's the duty of every apostolic believer to vote Republican as much as possible"?

The last time Americans took up arms against tyranny was in the mid-late 1800s. That generation is long gone. The current generation is still trying to vote their way out of bondage, without God (in spite of their token lip service to Him).

The beatings WILL continue until morale improves.

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VP Pence just saved Trump’s re-election.

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Any Pentecostal Churches? Support abortion/child sacrifice? Support Sodom? Support transgender?

Unless they would be straight up Sodomites I find it hard to believe any Pentecostal type Churches are supporting Democrats.

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Which churches? Perhaps very liberal Episcopal, Methodist or Lutheran churches. Certainly no Apostolic churches are.