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Originalist 11-14-2020 04:44 PM

It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Why should that shock us?

It took armed revolt in order for us to be able to walk in our God-given, natural rights in the first place. Why would it at all seem strange or un-Christian for us to use arms to remain free? After all, this is why the Framers included the 2nd Amendment in our constitution, for such an event as this.

A year ago China launched what amounted to a biological attack on this country. With the help of a Marxist fifth column in this country, they use this attack to sabotage our economy and to weaken our President. When it seemed he was going to be re-elected, this fifth column used sophisticated means to steal the election so a Marxist puppet regime for China could be installed. Their plan fell way short in the House and Senate. For that, they will expedite a radical agenda from day one using executive fiat. The country will be shut down for 6 weeks. The plan is to finish off as many private businesses and private schools as possible. When this 6 week period is over, the American people will be offered debt relief for government control of their lives. Even then they will underestimate the will of several States that will not comply and will raise State militia independent of the National Guard to protect their citizens.

So knowing all of this, why would we care if Trump declares a state of emergency as 3 million armed patriots take control of D.C. while millions more take control of the street of many state capitals? There will be a dictatorship in this country one way or another. A temporary dictatorship that roots out communists might be a good thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfUkV6dhE0&t=29s

Originalist 11-14-2020 06:06 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGTu...T7kKIxJwDrcQGI

Originalist 11-14-2020 06:15 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YAKq...teeJJytr0EJ8tA

Esaias 11-14-2020 08:15 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
I've been watching these pro Trump rallies for months now. Just got done watching several live streams from DC (actual live, as of ten minutes ago). Proud Boys, MAGA crowds etc.

The majority of these pro Trump rally goer types are literally godless heathens. Filthy mouths, profaning God's name, women dressed like whores and talking like sailors, men acting like frat bro's at a frat party.

I realise that is not the average Trump supporter (at least not here in my neck of the woods) but that is what "the movement" is putting forward.

God will not bless sin. Until Americans start actually repenting and truly getting right with God, the country will continue on its current trajectory of desolation and oppression.

Simple. As.

There was one highlight in one stream I watched, a group started chanting "Christ is king! Christ is king!" But it was very short-lived and dropped in favour of (I kid you not) "Four more beers! Four more beers!" as everyone had gathered at the Washington Monument (you know, Baal's genital?) and people were rubbing their hands on it, gushing about "This is our monument!" and "USA! USA!"

God doesn't march with profane idolaters and unsanctified fools. Sorry.

Americans better get some wisdom before marching off into battle.

Esaias 11-14-2020 08:18 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
And as for Rudy "I-helped-perpetrate-and-cover-up-9-11" Giuliani?

If you think that cross dressing clown "stands for the Republic" then you will be let down, and righteously so.

Evang.Benincasa 11-14-2020 08:28 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1596013)
And as for Rudy "I-helped-perpetrate-and-cover-up-9-11" Giuliani?

If you think that cross dressing clown "stands for the Republic" then you will be let down, and righteously so.

:highfive

Esaias 11-14-2020 08:42 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1596009)
Why should that shock us?

It took armed revolt in order for us to be able to walk in our God-given, natural rights in the first place. Why would it at all seem strange or un-Christian for us to use arms to remain free? After all, this is why the Framers included the 2nd Amendment in our constitution, for such an event as this.

A year ago China launched what amounted to a biological attack on this country. With the help of a Marxist fifth column in this country, they use this attack to sabotage our economy and to weaken our President. When it seemed he was going to be re-elected, this fifth column used sophisticated means to steal the election so a Marxist puppet regime for China could be installed. Their plan fell way short in the House and Senate. For that, they will expedite a radical agenda from day one using executive fiat. The country will be shut down for 6 weeks. The plan is to finish off as many private businesses and private schools as possible. When this 6 week period is over, the American people will be offered debt relief for government control of their lives. Even then they will underestimate the will of several States that will not comply and will raise State militia independent of the National Guard to protect their citizens.

So knowing all of this, why would we care if Trump declares a state of emergency as 3 million armed patriots take control of D.C. while millions more take control of the street of many state capitals? There will be a dictatorship in this country one way or another. A temporary dictatorship that roots out communists might be a good thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIfUkV6dhE0&t=29s

Told y'all. Rubicon Don, anyone?

A genuine Caesar is right around the corner. Probably won't be Trumpus Maximus, but give it a few more years. We're almost there.

By the way, we've been under a "temporary" state of emergency since 1933. And if you live south of the Mason-Dixon Line, you've been under "martial law" since 1865. And the rest of you got sold out in 1871 when the Union and its Republic were scrapped in favor of a CORPORATION.

Spicy times ahead.

TJJJ 11-15-2020 05:50 AM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Gotta agree with Esaias on this one. The fundamental problems that caused this event are still in place and have not changed.

Abortion is still legal, sin is still running rampant, nothing has changed except the USA is still heading towards judgment just as fast as it can go.

Now, will we see violence? Absolutely. That is part of judgment. Should the Church be a part of that? Absolutely not. We are of another nation, the Church.

What do Christians, who advocate violent revolution, do with Matthew 5 where Jesus says..."The MEEK shall inherit the earth"?

How about... "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God"?

We don't take our cues from national figures of 250 years ago who were masons... we take our orders from Jesus Christ who is the King of kings.

Sorry to the rebels but this armed insurrection is not going to end well.

Time to get the buttery popcorn out and watch the show, things are getting interesting.

Jito463 11-15-2020 09:06 AM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1596018)
By the way, we've been under a "temporary" state of emergency since 1933.

What does that mean? What does that look like.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1596018)
And if you live south of the Mason-Dixon Line, you've been under "martial law" since 1865.

What does that mean? What does that look like.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1596018)
And the rest of you got sold out in 1871 when the Union and its Republic were scrapped in favor of a CORPORATION.

What does that mean? What does that look like?

Scott Pitta 11-15-2020 09:27 AM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
There was an election. Someone lost. Someone won.

Just like every other time we voted.



The winner becomes president.

There will be no violent reaction. Such notions are internet bluster and nothing more.

Originalist 11-15-2020 11:47 AM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1596030)
There was an election. Someone lost. Someone won.

Just like every other time we voted.



The winner becomes president.

There will be no violent reaction. Such notions are internet bluster and nothing more.

Somebody won. Somebody cheated. If the cheater's plan is defeated, there will be violence in the streets among your crowd.

Originalist 11-15-2020 11:49 AM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1596018)
Told y'all. Rubicon Don, anyone?

A genuine Caesar is right around the corner. Probably won't be Trumpus Maximus, but give it a few more years. We're almost there.

By the way, we've been under a "temporary" state of emergency since 1933. And if you live south of the Mason-Dixon Line, you've been under "martial law" since 1865. And the rest of you got sold out in 1871 when the Union and its Republic were scrapped in favor of a CORPORATION.

Spicy times ahead.

Don will not cross the Rubicon. The people will prevent Biden from doing that.

Originalist 11-15-2020 11:51 AM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TJJJ (Post 1596020)
Gotta agree with Esaias on this one. The fundamental problems that caused this event are still in place and have not changed.

Abortion is still legal, sin is still running rampant, nothing has changed except the USA is still heading towards judgment just as fast as it can go.

Now, will we see violence? Absolutely. That is part of judgment. Should the Church be a part of that? Absolutely not. We are of another nation, the Church.

What do Christians, who advocate violent revolution, do with Matthew 5 where Jesus says..."The MEEK shall inherit the earth"?

How about... "Blessed are the peacemakers for they shall be called the children of God"?

We don't take our cues from national figures of 250 years ago who were masons... we take our orders from Jesus Christ who is the King of kings.

Sorry to the rebels but this armed insurrection is not going to end well.

Time to get the buttery popcorn out and watch the show, things are getting interesting.


People defending the Constitution is not "armed insurrection." They will be stopping an insurrection. But you are free to sit by and spiritualize your apathy while the rest of us give our lives so you can do so.

Jito463 11-15-2020 12:16 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
I believe force of arms is ultimately required to keep us free, but I don't agree we're at the stage just yet, that an armed militia will be required to maintain the union. Even if it ends up with Kamala in the WH, we've made gains in the House, and it's looking like we'll hold the Senate. So it will be possible to keep her in check.

Esaias 11-15-2020 12:41 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1596036)
People defending the Constitution is not "armed insurrection." They will be stopping an insurrection. But you are free to sit by and spiritualize your apathy while the rest of us give our lives so you can do so.

Deuteronomy 28:15,25 KJV
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: ... [25] The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

A just war requires a just people. We haven't got there just yet. A bit more groundwork has to be laid, otherwise the attempt will be abortive.

diakonos 11-15-2020 12:46 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1596036)
People defending the Constitution is not "armed insurrection." They will be stopping an insurrection. But you are free to sit by and spiritualize your apathy while the rest of us give our lives so you can do so.

Show where we can take up arms using the epistles, not the OT.

Esaias 11-15-2020 12:46 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1596035)
Don will not cross the Rubicon. The people will prevent Biden from doing that.

You yourself posted about Don declaring a state of emergency. A yuuuuge number of his supporters would welcome a martial law scenario to "restore law and order". The whole Q psyop has primed them for just that.

Martial law is illegal, unlawful, and unconstitutional. The "conservatives" may unwittingly become the very thing the unhinged leftists claim they are: fascist authoritarians. I find that... ironic.

Doesn't matter that much though, authoritarianism is where we're headed anyway.

Esaias 11-15-2020 12:47 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1596039)
Show where we can take up arms using the epistles, not the OT.

The epistles affirm the divine authority of the old testament scriptures. Rejecting 2/3rds of the Bible is non Christian.

diakonos 11-15-2020 01:03 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1596041)
The epistles affirm the divine authority of the old testament scriptures. Rejecting 2/3rds of the Bible is non Christian.

Your point?

Esaias 11-15-2020 01:11 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1596042)
Your point?

Is obvious.

Scott Pitta 11-15-2020 01:26 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
No evidence has been produced of voter fraud.

Please provide the state where voter fraud has been found.

Is it a sin to take up arms and shoot Americans over partisan politics ???

Will anyone in this group take up arms and fight when the Biden administration begins ?

Originalist 11-15-2020 01:30 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1596039)
Show where we can take up arms using the epistles, not the OT.

I don't need to. It is not forbidden by the Apostles. If you believe God chooses governments, then you will believe Go chose our Constitution and that we can defend what God gave us.

diakonos 11-15-2020 01:32 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1596046)
I don't need to. It is not forbidden by the Apostles. If you believe God chooses governments, then you will believe Go chose our Constitution and that we can defend what God gave us.

Nowhere is war advocated in the NT. Best of luck to you.

Originalist 11-15-2020 01:32 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1596038)
Deuteronomy 28:15,25 KJV
But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the Lord thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee: ... [25] The Lord shall cause thee to be smitten before thine enemies: thou shalt go out one way against them, and flee seven ways before them: and shalt be removed into all the kingdoms of the earth.

A just war requires a just people. We haven't got there just yet. A bit more groundwork has to be laid, otherwise the attempt will be abortive.

Yet God allowed the very nation this was specifically addressed to to be reconstituted. There are many more than 10 righteous here. Biden is a result of Apathy, not God.

Originalist 11-15-2020 01:33 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1596047)
Nowhere is war advocated in the NT. Best of luck to you.

Nowhere did the Apostles mandate apathy when evil can be arrested swiftly. You are spiritualizing apathy. Good luck with that.

diakonos 11-15-2020 01:35 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1596049)
Nowhere did the Apostles mandate apathy when evil can be arrested swiftly. You are spiritualizing apathy. Good luck with that.

You’re merging the Bible with patriotism. Good luck with that.

Scott Pitta 11-15-2020 01:44 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
If God determines who is president, is it a sin to disagree with him ? Is violence over presidential elections rebellion against God ?

Or does God only raise up leaders if they are republican ?

diakonos 11-15-2020 01:45 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1596053)
If God determines who is president, is it a sin to disagree with him ? Is violence over presidential elections rebellion against God ?

Or does God only raise up leaders if they are republican ?

I don’t really like you, but these are good questions. :lol

Scott Pitta 11-15-2020 01:55 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
:)

Originalist 11-15-2020 03:07 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1596045)
No evidence has been produced of voter fraud.

Please provide the state where voter fraud has been found.

Is it a sin to take up arms and shoot Americans over partisan politics ???

Will anyone in this group take up arms and fight when the Biden administration begins ?

You live in a constant state of denial.

Originalist 11-15-2020 03:08 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1596053)
If God determines who is president, is it a sin to disagree with him ? Is violence over presidential elections rebellion against God ?

Or does God only raise up leaders if they are republican ?

Nowhere does the Bibe say God chooses every leader.

Originalist 11-15-2020 03:09 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by diakonos (Post 1596052)
You’re merging the Bible with patriotism. Good luck with that.


On the contrary. I am not reading a mandate to apathy in the bible as you are.

Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2020 04:12 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1596057)
Nowhere does the Bibe say God chooses every leader.

Pretty much it does.

Scott Pitta 11-15-2020 04:13 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
When Trump was elected, many believers made claims that God chooses presidents. He raises up leaders.

Now that the president is not GOP, I am sure those same believers will back away from leaders being chosen by God.

Diakonos is right. Patriotism is the virtue of the violent.

Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2020 04:13 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
The casting of lots to replace a fallen apostle. Is described as allowing God to have the final say. Casting lots? Voting?

Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2020 04:19 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1596062)
When Trump was elected, many believers made claims that God chooses presidents. He raises up leaders.

Now that the president is not GOP, I am sure those same believers will back away from leaders being chosen by God.

Diakonos is right. Patriotism is the virtue of the violent.

Scott, that’s not what Daniel did. He accepted Nebuchadnezzar. As a well deserved punishment for a rebellious Judah. Did you vote for Joe Biden? What was your reason? Was his qualification that he wasn’t Trump? What will you do if Trump remains in office? ( not saying he will because I have spiritual insight) but what will you do if he remains? Also why didn’t Obama do anything about the water in Flint Michigan? Why did Barack Obama drop more bombs then Bush?

Pendragon 11-15-2020 04:20 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1596045)
No evidence has been produced of voter fraud.

Please provide the state where voter fraud has been found.

Is it a sin to take up arms and shoot Americans over partisan politics ???

Will anyone in this group take up arms and fight when the Biden administration begins ?

Scott, you're part of the problem. People like you who only get their news from the mainstream media are why this country is so divided. You've been swallowing the propaganda from Leftist-controlled media.

There is ample evidence of fraud in this election. Whether or not it amounts to enough votes to deny President Trump a second term is still up for debate, yes. But there is undeniable evidence of fraud. Get your mind free from the bondage of mainstream media. Stop the pollution. Turn off Fox and CNN.

Read the Trump campaign lawsuits; here's just one:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/t...vote-counting/

Condensed version of their PA lawsuit if you don't have much time to read:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...he-lawsuit.php

Round-up of other irregularities and fraud:
https://theredelephants.com/there-is...-being-stolen/

Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2020 04:22 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Pendragon (Post 1596065)
Scott, you're part of the problem. People like you who only get their news from the mainstream media are why this country is so divided. You've been swallowing the propaganda from Leftist-controlled media.

There is ample evidence of fraud in this election. Whether or not it amounts to enough votes to deny President Trump a second term is still up for debate, yes. But there is undeniable evidence of fraud. Get your mind free from the bondage of mainstream media. Stop the pollution. Turn off Fox and CNN.

Read the Trump campaign lawsuits; here's just one:
https://www.donaldjtrump.com/media/t...vote-counting/

Condensed version of their PA lawsuit if you don't have much time to read:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archiv...he-lawsuit.php

Round-up of other irregularities and fraud:
https://theredelephants.com/there-is...-being-stolen/

Scott? What say ye?

Scott Pitta 11-15-2020 04:33 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Lawsuits and tweets are not evidence.

I do not make public who I vote for.

If there was evidence of voter fraud, it would have been announced by the White House.

Trump, the law and order president, cannot legally remain president after his term expires. His authority has an expiration date.

I will do nothing about all this drama. This storm will pass.

Evang.Benincasa 11-15-2020 04:37 PM

Re: It will take force of arms to remain free.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1596067)
Lawsuits and tweets are not evidence.

I do not make public who I vote for.

If there was evidence of voter fraud, it would have been announced by the White House.

Scott you don’t make who you vote for?

Scott, I think a safe bet it wasn’t the Donald. Did you vote Green Party?


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