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Ron 12-03-2020 11:51 PM

What Happened To America?
 
Los Angeles Orders Residents to ‘Remain in Their Homes’ or Face Fines, Jail Time https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_a...e_3603156.html

This sounds more like Nazi Germany in the 30's than a free Republic?
If I had said ten or tenty years you would be in this situation, I would have been laughed to scorn.
How much more will Americans take this before they say enough is enough?
150 years ago you fought a civil war over States Rights, now it is a totalitarian Police State that is arising.
If it were me, I wouldn't just roll over.

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597155)
Los Angeles Orders Residents to ‘Remain in Their Homes’ or Face Fines, Jail Time https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_a...e_3603156.html

This sounds more like Nazi Germany in the 30's than a free Republic?
If I had said ten or tenty years you would be in this situation, I would have been laughed to scorn.
How much more will Americans take this before they say enough is enough?
150 years ago you fought a civil war over States Rights, now it is a totalitarian Police State that is arising.
If it were me, I wouldn't just roll over.

If a bullfrog had wings it wouldn't bump it's rump everytime it hopped. Well well well, look at Mr Tough Canuck. So, you wouldn't just roll over. What's that supposed to mean? What are you some toque wearing Rambo? Are you saying that's what we do in the United States?

Ron that isn't happening in Florida. So I guess the Floridians aren't "rolling over?".

So, you feeling strong? Well, it's like this my toque wearing brother, until you get Justin Trudeau throwing some Gestapo moves on you and yours, you won't know what you will do. So save how you and your fellow canucks will shake off the chains of tyranny. While you are all face down and being handcuffed by some mounties throwing you all a good Canadian beat down.

Here is how the leadership rolls up in the Great White North.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vyCT...nisterofCanada

Esaias 12-04-2020 12:33 AM

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I heard the Leafs are building detention camps for the antivaxxer COVID "deniers"...

I also heard there are PLA troops up there running security for facilities surrendered over to the CCP...

And that the CCP is in bed with the Native Tribes up there sucking out the natural resources without going through Canadian regulations, taxation, or oversight...

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1597159)
I heard the Leafs are building detention camps for the antivaxxer COVID "deniers"...

I also heard there are PLA troops up there running security for facilities surrendered over to the CCP...

And that the CCP is in bed with the Native Tribes up there sucking out the natural resources without going through Canadian regulations, taxation, or oversight...

No worries Ron is going to put a stop to it all. He won't roll over like us in the States. He's got a black belt in posting about how he won't roll over. :heeheehee

Ron 12-04-2020 01:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597161)
No worries Ron is going to put a stop to it all. He won't roll over like us in the States. He's got a black belt in posting about how he won't roll over. :heeheehee

LOL! Yo sound like CNN fake news. That isn't what I said or mean and you should know it. I am saying that there are at least 75 Million maybe more Americans who chose freedom over tyranny, liberty over bondage and I grew up in Canada hearing about Americans saying that they would rather die free, then live in bondage.
In fact, in September, there was a rally held in Toronto where thousands showed up and marched in he street saying Trump and USA and freedom.There is a video on YouTube but unfortunately it had a lot of profanity from the one videoing the sene. There are Canadians who you col call Conservatives or Republicans in Canada. Under our current voting system, Justin Trudeau can form Government, and a majority one with only 40% or less of the popular vote. They looked at other ways to have Elections but it always ends up as being a coalition Government with wacko fringe parties holding the balance of power.
May I remind you of Nazi Germany, that when the Nazis rounded up the Jews, they went passively to their room. No fighting back.

Esaias 12-04-2020 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597163)
...I grew up in Canada hearing about Americans saying that they would rather die free, then live in bondage.

Those were Texans you heard about. :)


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May I remind you of Nazi Germany, that when the Nazis rounded up the Jews, they went passively to their room. No fighting back.
I have an old book titled "German Jews Fought Back".

Ron 12-04-2020 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1597164)
Those were Texans you heard about. :)




I have an old book titled "German Jews Fought Back".

A few did. Most were rounded up so there was no resistance.

Scott Pitta 12-04-2020 03:16 AM

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Turn the other cheek and wear the mask.

Love your brother more than you love yourself via social isolation.

Together, we can defeat the pandemic.

Originalist 12-04-2020 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1597175)
Turn the other cheek and wear the mask.

Love your brother more than you love yourself via social isolation.

Together, we can defeat the pandemic.

You admit then that mask regulations are a slap in the face.

Esaias 12-04-2020 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1597175)
Turn the other cheek and wear the mask.

Love your brother more than you love yourself via social isolation.

Together, we can defeat the pandemic.

Big Brother loves you.

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597163)
LOL! Yo sound like CNN fake news. That isn't what I said or mean and you should know it. I am saying that there are at least 75 Million maybe more Americans who chose freedom over tyranny, liberty over bondage and I grew up in Canada hearing about Americans saying that they would rather die free, then live in bondage.
In fact, in September, there was a rally held in Toronto where thousands showed up and marched in he street saying Trump and USA and freedom.There is a video on YouTube but unfortunately it had a lot of profanity from the one videoing the sene. There are Canadians who you col call Conservatives or Republicans in Canada. Under our current voting system, Justin Trudeau can form Government, and a majority one with only 40% or less of the popular vote. They looked at other ways to have Elections but it always ends up as being a coalition Government with wacko fringe parties holding the balance of power.
May I remind you of Nazi Germany, that when the Nazis rounded up the Jews, they went passively to their room. No fighting back.

Ron ok, tell me your plan for us in the States for fighting back? Did you happen to watch the video in my thread about Florida and Texas? Also I sound like CNN fake news? You are the one who stated that YOU wouldn’t roll over suggesting that the People of the United States are rolling over. But let me say this, talk is cheap. Really inexpensive, and filled with a lot of chest beating and tough talk. You stated how YOU would never roll over. Which means that you by yourself would resist with force. Again, no one “especially you” doesn’t know what that looks like. You have never dealt with a raid of law enforcement or military on your location. Not all Jews went meekly off to the camps. So deal with your own fake news. But what would you do if placed in their situation? Were the GERMAN Jews different from you? How about the Chinese under Japanese occupation? Were they less men than you?
Resistance comes in many forms, but wisdom is the greater part of valor. You couldn’t show us a video because of the foul language? Who are these people you are looking to join forces with? I’m confused, maybe you can clarify. Who shall we yoke up with in the United States to topple the government? Who are you yoking with? If you can’t show us the video?

When they all hold hands and pray before the protest, do they curse while they speak in tongues?

aegsm76 12-04-2020 09:44 AM

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Ron,
Most of the majority Republican states are running business as usual.
I am in several Southern & Midwestern states on a regular basis and the only issues i have are having to mask up when we go into most businesses.
Also, I have forgotten to put on a mask (really forgotten) on occasion and no one has said anything.

Ron 12-04-2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597179)
Ron ok, tell me your plan for us in the States for fighting back? Did you happen to watch the video in my thread about Florida and Texas? Also I sound like CNN fake news? You are the one who stated that YOU wouldn’t roll over suggesting that the People of the United States are rolling over. But let me say this, talk is cheap. Really inexpensive, and filled with a lot of chest beating and tough talk. You stated how YOU would never roll over. Which means that you by yourself would resist with force. Again, no one “especially you” doesn’t know what that looks like. You have never dealt with a raid of law enforcement or military on your location. Not all Jews went meekly off to the camps. So deal with your own fake news. But what would you do if placed in their situation? Were the GERMAN Jews different from you? How about the Chinese under Japanese occupation? Were they less men than you?
Resistance comes in many forms, but wisdom is the greater part of valor. You couldn’t show us a video because of the foul language? Who are these people you are looking to join forces with? I’m confused, maybe you can clarify. Who shall we yoke up with in the United States to topple the government? Who are you yoking with? If you can’t show us the video?

When they all hold hands and pray before the protest, do they curse while they speak in tongues?

For one thing, it isn't reported in the news down there but there is a movement amongst Canadians that support Trump. There are anti mask Rallies, anti vaxxers rally, fake news rallies. On MSM or talk radio, they call it the effect of Donald Trump. They call it extremism.
Sound familiar? We even have some Churches risking huge fines and they aren't even Apostolic. The silent majority, needs to stop being the silent majority.

Ron 12-04-2020 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1597175)
Turn the other cheek and wear the mask.

Love your brother more than you love yourself via social isolation.

Together, we can defeat the pandemic.

The Apostle Paul states that he appealed to Cesar even though it was prophesied that he would lose his life if he went to Rome. He exercised his rights as a Roman Citizen.

Ron 12-04-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1597175)
Turn the other cheek and wear the mask.

Love your brother more than you love yourself via social isolation.

Together, we can defeat the pandemic.

In times past, we quarantined the sick and vulnerable, not everyone.
Rights surrendered are not easily returned save by force.
If you believe what the powers that be tells you, I have a 140 year old bridge in Brooklyn at a bargain basement price for you.

:heeheehee

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597190)
For one thing, it isn't reported in the news down there but there is a movement amongst Canadians that support Trump. There are anti mask Rallies, anti vaxxers rally, fake news rallies. On MSM or talk radio, they call it the effect of Donald Trump. They call it extremism.
Sound familiar? We even have some Churches risking huge fines and they aren't even Apostolic. The silent majority, needs to stop being the silent majority.

Well Ron, mosey on over to those Trinitarian "Churches" and tell them how you wouldn't roll over. Hit a double bicep, and lead by example my brother. :heeheehee

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597192)
In times past, we quarantined the sick and vulnerable, not everyone.
Rights surrendered are not easily returned save by force.
If you believe what the powers that be tells you, I have a 140 year old bridge in Brooklyn at a bargain basement price for you.

:heeheehee

Here's a Canadian trying to claim a piece of New York as their own. Go sell your own bridges, like Percy Bridge.

Ron 12-04-2020 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597204)
Well Ron, mosey on over to those Trinitarian "Churches" and tell them how you wouldn't roll over. Hit a double bicep, and lead by example my brother. :heeheehee

Nope, I am not the Pastor. Not my place.

Ron 12-04-2020 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597205)
Here's a Canadian trying to claim a piece of New York as their own. Go sell your own bridges, like Percy Bridge.

Why? You in the market for a used bridge?🤔

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597207)
Nope, I am not the Pastor. Not my place.

You said they aren't Apostolic. Therefore they're fake good "news?" :heeheehee

You can tell them anything you need to warn them of all impending doom, whether spiritual or natural.

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597208)
Why? You in the market for a used bridge?🤔

Have you ever been in any of the five boroughs?

Nicodemus1968 12-04-2020 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597210)
You said they aren't Apostolic. Therefore they're fake good "news?" :heeheehee

You can tell them anything you need to warn them of all impending doom, whether spiritual or natural.

We have the Apostolic “Donald Trump” on AFF.....

:heeheehee

Ron 12-04-2020 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597212)
Have you ever been in any of the five boroughs?

In person? No you? It's still for sale if you are interested!😎

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597216)
In person? No you? It's still for sale if you are interested!😎

I was born and raised there.

You wouldn't know how to get to the bridge to make the deal. :laffatu

Ron 12-04-2020 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597210)
You said they aren't Apostolic. Therefore they're fake good "news?" :heeheehee

You can tell them anything you need to warn them of all impending doom, whether spiritual or natural.

Huh? You told me to show the way. I want Church, my Pastor chose to close the doors and obey the direction of the health authorities. I defer to him as in the Spiritual I can not and will not usurp his authority. The question on this article is this, "What happened to America?" It isn't titled, "What happened to Canada?"
It is my understanding, feeble as it is, that in order to usurp rights granted by the US Constitution, Martial Law has to be in force soooo, the orders going forth are unconstitutional and therefore of none affect?

Ron 12-04-2020 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597210)
You said they aren't Apostolic. Therefore they're fake good "news?" :heeheehee

You can tell them anything you need to warn them of all impending doom, whether spiritual or natural.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597218)
I was born and raised there.

You wouldn't know how to get to the bridge to make the deal. :laffatu

Brooklyn? BTW, I thought it was seven not 5? Yes, I would get list in a heartbeat and probably end up in black harlem wondering why I got mugged!:heeheehee

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597221)
Brooklyn? BTW, I thought it was seven not 5? Yes, I would get list in a heartbeat and probably end up in black harlem wondering why I got mugged!:heeheehee

My point exactly.

Good grief.

Black Harlem?

There isn't a place called Black Harlem.

Good God in Zion.

diakonos 12-04-2020 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597225)
My point exactly.

Good grief.

Black Harlem?

There isn't a place called Black Harlem.

Good God in Zion.

:eek:

Ron 12-04-2020 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597225)
My point exactly.

Good grief.

Black Harlem?

There isn't a place called Black Harlem.

Good God in Zion.

There isn't? That is not what I have been told. We had preachers from New York and they said there is a black harlem and a Spanish harlem. These are neighbourhood not s borough.

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597220)
Huh? You told me to show the way. I want Church, my Pastor chose to close the doors and obey the direction of the health authorities. I defer to him as in the Spiritual I can not and will not usurp his authority.

So, let's see what you posted.

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597155)
Los Angeles Orders Residents to ‘Remain in Their Homes’ or Face Fines, Jail Time https://link.theepochtimes.com/mkt_a...e_3603156.html

This sounds more like Nazi Germany in the 30's than a free Republic?
If I had said ten or tenty years you would be in this situation, I would have been laughed to scorn.
How much more will Americans take this before they say enough is enough?
150 years ago you fought a civil war over States Rights, now it is a totalitarian Police State that is arising.


If it were me, I wouldn't just roll over.


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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597220)
I defer to him as in the Spiritual I can not and will not usurp his authority.

So, what I gather here is that you will roll over if your pastor gives the green light for you to roll over. OK. Now we have a little more information to understand what you can and cannot do as far as a armed insurrection. So far your pastor submitted to the government, which made you automatically submit to the government without question. Ron, you mentioned Nazis? Well here are a few books you should read, about a government using pastors to influence their flocks. Twisted Cross: The German Christian Movement in the Third Reich, The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity, 1919-1945 , Betrayal: German Churches and the Holocaust, The Aryan Jesus: Christian Theologians and the Bible in Nazi Germany, and The Nazi Conscience
by Claudia Koonz. Ron, the Nazis didn't jump out of the pulpit and yell BOO! The clergy submitted because they were being "good Germans." The sheep listening to their shepherds telling them what they can and can not do with God supposedly as backup. Not all churches can close their doors and live stream. There are some who don't believe in using the Internet, or videos. This has been their convictions ay before their ever was an Internet because they were anti television, and anti video when it came along. So the whole going home and leaving the pastor behind isn't an option to some Christians. But, thank you for telling me what would be the catalyst to stop you from resisting your government. But, to be fair to the Nazis, they didn't invent the wheel. Government powers using their religious priesthood goes all the way back to Ahab and Jezebel. Good thing Elijah listened to his pastor.


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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597220)
The question on this article is this, "What happened to America?" It isn't titled, "What happened to Canada?"
It is my understanding, feeble as it is, that in order to usurp rights granted by the US Constitution, Martial Law has to be in force soooo, the orders going forth are unconstitutional and therefore of none affect?

Bro, you don't live here. While you are concerned about Californian shut downs, we in Florida have no such concern. Another thing, people like to wave around the Constitution like its a crucifix in the face of a vampire. But the facts are, the Constitution is as good as the government's willingness to obey the constitution. Review history, every country had a constitution, rules between the people and their handlers. But, every government has broke those rules, some moderately, some violently. Martial law? Bro, we were placed under Shelter in Place. Which is far far worse than martial law. It's sad that someone has to have their driver's side window bashed in, dragged out of their car, and thrown face down on the tarmac. Before they figure out that all their chanting about how their police stop was unconstitutional didn't mean a thing. Meaningless to the baton upside their head, and the K9 biting their leg.

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597227)
There isn't? That is not what I have been told. We had preachers from New York and they said there is a black harlem and a Spanish harlem. These are neighbourhood not s borough.

Bro, your "New York" preachers? They more than likely were remembering a song which was covered by Aretha Franklin. The song was originally done by an artist by the name of Ben E King. Which originally titled "Spanish Harlem." Aretha Franklin modified the lyrics to include a rose in "black" n Spanish Harlem. For the life of me, I don't understand why a preacher from New York would bring up to a congregation "black Harlem?" Another thing, what does muggings and Harlem have to do with that neighborhood? As far as I know, people may get attacked in urban neighborhoods all over the world.

Ron 12-04-2020 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1597229)
Bro, your "New York" preachers? They more than likely were remembering a song which was covered by Aretha Franklin. The song was originally done by an artist by the name of Ben E King. Which originally titled "Spanish Harlem." Aretha Franklin modified the lyrics to include a rose in "black" n Spanish Harlem. For the life of me, I don't understand why a preacher from New York would bring up to a congregation "black Harlem?" Another thing, what does muggings and Harlem have to do with that neighborhood? As far as I know, people may get attacked in urban neighborhoods all over the world.

Bro, my former Pastor who passed away three years ago was preaching in New York. His kids who were teenagers then knew some black kids who lived in black harlem. They visited
And because they were with them and visiting I the day, they were okay. The preachers from New York lied? My former Pastor lied, their kids lied?
BTW, he became our Pastor in 1989 and I did a little research on it and since 1990 it has been undergoing a reformation so much so that the Black population is down to 40%.
My info may not be updated, but it was correct at the time. Why do sensitive? Why not just say, that info may have been correct at one time but here has what's been happening.

Evang.Benincasa 12-04-2020 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Ron (Post 1597232)
Bro, my former Pastor who passed away three years ago was preaching in New York. His kids who were teenagers then knew some black kids who lived in black harlem. They visited
And because they were with them and visiting I the day, they were okay. The preachers from New York lied? My former Pastor lied, their kids lied?
BTW, he became our Pastor in 1989 and I did a little research on it and since 1990 it has been undergoing a reformation so much so that the Black population is down to 40%.
My info may not be updated, but it was correct at the time. Why do sensitive? Why not just say, that info may have been correct at one time but here has what's been happening.

Ron, there is NO PLACE CALLED BLACK HARLEM. But, I'm missing something here. What were these people (Who I have not the foggiest idea who these people are outside of you vouching for them) what am I supposed to say they were lying about? Interestingly you choose to use the word liar? Why liar? What are they lying about Ron?

Jito463 12-04-2020 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Pitta (Post 1597175)
Turn the other cheek and wear the mask.

Love your brother more than you love yourself via social isolation.

Together, we can defeat the pandemic.

Turn the other cheek, and put a muzzle on your face.

Love your brother by distancing yourself from them as far as you can.

Together, we can be alone.

Scott, you're like a broken record, and you're not even playing your own tune. You're just repeating someone else's tune, and a poor one at that.

MawMaw 12-04-2020 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by aegsm76 (Post 1597185)
Ron,
Most of the majority Republican states are running business as usual.
I am in several Southern & Midwestern states on a regular basis and the only issues i have are having to mask up when we go into most businesses.
Also, I have forgotten to put on a mask (really forgotten) on occasion and no one has said anything.

You're right. It's mostly the democrat run places that are having
the problems. :nod


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