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Originalist 12-22-2020 07:51 PM

Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election:
 
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By Edward B. Foley of Loyola University.

Foley unknowingly predicted back in 2018 that the 2020 election would be contested. He predicted then that Elizabeth Warren would be the Democrat nominee and that Pennsylvania would be the focus of the dispute where he predicts Trump will have appeared to have won in that State by a narrow 20,000 votes only to see subsequent canvasing throw the State to Warren.

Beginning on page 13 in the bottom section entitled, "What Could Happen," the author uses the 12th Amendment to the Constitution to show how the showdown over disputed electors might play out. It is well worth the read. Other "what if" scenarios continue throughout the essay, including the one I feel is most likely, that of Pence invalidating all slates of electors from all disputed states. This action reduced the overall number of electoral votes needed to win, throwing the election to Trump. Of course, such a scenario would cause the currently disinterested SCOTUS to suddenly take an interest.

Attachment 6571

Evang.Benincasa 12-22-2020 08:39 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1598806)
By Edward B. Foley of Loyola University.

Foley unknowingly predicted back in 2018 that the 2020 election would be contested. He predicted then that Elizabeth Warren would be the Democrat nominee and that Pennsylvania would be the focus of the dispute where he predicts Trump will have appeared to have won in that State by a narrow 20,000 votes only to see subsequent canvasing throw the State to Warren.

Beginning on page 13 in the bottom section entitled, "What Could Happen," the author uses the 12th Amendment to the Constitution to show how the showdown over disputed electors might play out. It is well worth the read. Other "what if" scenarios continue throughout the essay, including the one I feel is most likely, that of Pence invalidating all slates of electors from all disputed states. This action reduced the overall number of electoral votes needed to win, throwing the election to Trump. Of course, such a scenario would cause the currently disinterested SCOTUS to suddenly take an interest.

Attachment 6571

Does Edward B. Foley wear a Hawaiian shirt?

Nicodemus1968 12-23-2020 05:17 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1598807)
Does Edward B. Foley wear a Hawaiian shirt?

What’s wrong with the Hawaiian shirt? Is there something wrong with a prophet wearing a Hawaiian shirt while on the beach of Honolulu soaking up the rays, getting a word from heaven on what your middle name is?

Originalist 12-23-2020 05:46 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1598807)
Does Edward B. Foley wear a Hawaiian shirt?

Just to clarify, this gentleman was simply speculating what might happen if an Article 12 situation plays out.

Evang.Benincasa 12-23-2020 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1598810)
Just to clarify, this gentleman was simply speculating what might happen if an Article 12 situation plays out.

I understand. Carry on with the rebellion. :lol

Evang.Benincasa 12-23-2020 08:20 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1598809)
What’s wrong with the Hawaiian shirt? Is there something wrong with a prophet wearing a Hawaiian shirt while on the beach of Honolulu soaking up the rays, getting a word from heaven on what your middle name is?

It’s more like a profit with a Hawaiian shirt standing knee-deep in the snow in Indiana. :lol

n david 12-23-2020 09:55 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
I feel sad for my friends and others who have their hopes set on Trump being sworn in for a second term next month. They really believe either Amy Coney Barrett and the conservative SCOTUS Justices are going to swoop in on white horses to save the day and invalidate Biden's win; or that the Democrat-controlled House will pass enough objections to state results to drop Biden below 270 and allow Congress to vote on the new POTUS.

It's fantasyland. Sadly delusional.

Michael The Disciple 12-23-2020 12:34 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1598823)
I feel sad for my friends and others who have their hopes set on Trump being sworn in for a second term next month. They really believe either Amy Coney Barrett and the conservative SCOTUS Justices are going to swoop in on white horses to save the day and invalidate Biden's win; or that the Democrat-controlled House will pass enough objections to state results to drop Biden below 270 and allow Congress to vote on the new POTUS.

It's fantasyland. Sadly delusional.

Still holding hope not because of judges or politicians but because of prayers to God through Jesus. Also realizing he has already shown more mercy than our nation deserves.

Im not in a fantasyland. Im a doomsday preacher. It will get worse either way but rather live in a nation that has till lately been generally favorable toward Christ than one with a top priority of blotting out his name and the lives of his people.

Originalist 12-23-2020 02:44 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1598823)
I feel sad for my friends and others who have their hopes set on Trump being sworn in for a second term next month. They really believe either Amy Coney Barrett and the conservative SCOTUS Justices are going to swoop in on white horses to save the day and invalidate Biden's win; or that the Democrat-controlled House will pass enough objections to state results to drop Biden below 270 and allow Congress to vote on the new POTUS.

It's fantasyland. Sadly delusional.

I am afraid you are mistaken. The essay I attached demonstrated SCOTUS involvement is not needed. Furthermore, SCOTUS has no interest in being involved.

n david 12-23-2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1598830)
I am afraid you are mistaken. The essay I attached demonstrated SCOTUS involvement is not needed. Furthermore, SCOTUS has no interest in being involved.

Correct, which is why I included the “or” about the Dem controlled House passing enough objections to drop Biden below 270.

Originalist 12-23-2020 03:55 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1598831)
Correct, which is why I included the “or” about the Dem controlled House passing enough objections to drop Biden below 270.

Interestingly, the author makes a case that Pence has ways around that, based on precedent. But he also cautions that a Pelosi presidency might be the result. It is also possible that Pence could end up being President. This is why it is important to read the whole essay.

Nicodemus1968 12-23-2020 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1598832)
Interestingly, the author makes a case that Pence has ways around that, based on precedent. But he also cautions that a Pelosi presidency might be the result. It is also possible that Pence could end up being President. This is why it is important to read the whole essay.

Trump should just leave peacefully come Inauguration Day. I’m not saying concede the election. I’m just thinking he may be more useful working behind the scenes stirring up the next civil war.

Evang.Benincasa 12-23-2020 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1598833)
Trump should just leave peacefully come Inauguration Day. I’m not saying concede the election. I’m just thinking he may be more useful working behind the scenes stirring up the next civil war.


https://i.pinimg.com/originals/0b/ea...1e226851da.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sg3D...nel=RalfMateus

Originalist 12-23-2020 04:50 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1598833)
Trump should just leave peacefully come Inauguration Day. I’m not saying concede the election. I’m just thinking he may be more useful working behind the scenes stirring up the next civil war.

Trump might be getting sworn in on inauguration day. And the civil war has already begun. This is truly our first civil war. The war of 1861-65 was one between two nations.

Nicodemus1968 12-23-2020 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1598836)
Trump might be getting sworn in on inauguration day. And the civil war has already begun. This is truly our first civil war. The war of 1861-65 was one between two nations.

You’re probably correct. If Trump is not sworn in on January ??, I believe he will be working extra hard to turn everything inside out and upside down. He is not me to accept wrong humbly.

coksiw 12-23-2020 05:18 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
We are all trying so hard to predict the short term future.

This my prediction: the Democrats will realize how messed up the elections were, and their zeal for righteousness will make them recognize Trump is our elected king, and their will be peace and prosperity for the next 4 years.
And the politicians will promise to fix the elections and will actually fix it.

Evang.Benincasa 12-23-2020 05:46 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1598838)
We are all trying so hard to predict the short term future.

This my prediction: the Democrats will realize how messed up the elections were, and their zeal for righteousness will make them recognize Trump is our elected king, and their will be peace and prosperity for the next 4 years.
And the politicians will promise to fix the elections and will actually fix it.

We will get free protein shakes and lifetime supply of New York Strip steak.
Rogue Ohio Bars will be given away for free. Thómpson Chain Reference Bibles will have extra wide margins. The stimulus check will be 4,500.00 a month until the pandemic is through. Brand new suits will fit instantly and never need to be tailored.

n david 12-23-2020 06:06 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1598839)
We will get free protein shakes and lifetime supply of New York Strip steak.
Rogue Ohio Bars will be given away for free. Thómpson Chain Reference Bibles will have extra wide margins. The stimulus check will be 4,500.00 a month until the pandemic is through. Brand new suits will fit instantly and never need to be tailored.

My, my, my. That is a good word.

The doors of the church are open....

Let the church say, “Amen.”

coksiw 12-23-2020 06:56 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1598839)
...Thómpson Chain Reference Bibles will have extra wide margins...

Why would you want that? What's wrong with it?

Nicodemus1968 12-23-2020 06:57 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1598842)
Why would you want that? What's wrong with it?

My bible has 2” wide margin.

Why would you not want that?

Evang.Benincasa 12-23-2020 07:28 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1598843)
My bible has 2” wide margin.

Why would you not want that?


:highfive :yourock

coksiw 12-23-2020 07:32 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1598843)
My bible has 2” wide margin.

Why would you not want that?

That’s a lot!

Evang.Benincasa 12-23-2020 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1598846)
That’s a lot!

Super cool :happydance

Esaias 12-23-2020 08:04 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1598806)
By Edward B. Foley of Loyola University.

Foley unknowingly predicted back in 2018 that the 2020 election would be contested. He predicted then that Elizabeth Warren would be the Democrat nominee and that Pennsylvania would be the focus of the dispute where he predicts Trump will have appeared to have won in that State by a narrow 20,000 votes only to see subsequent canvasing throw the State to Warren.

Beginning on page 13 in the bottom section entitled, "What Could Happen," the author uses the 12th Amendment to the Constitution to show how the showdown over disputed electors might play out. It is well worth the read. Other "what if" scenarios continue throughout the essay, including the one I feel is most likely, that of Pence invalidating all slates of electors from all disputed states. This action reduced the overall number of electoral votes needed to win, throwing the election to Trump. Of course, such a scenario would cause the currently disinterested SCOTUS to suddenly take an interest.

Attachment 6571

Personally, I suspect Trump and Pence aren't going to actually do anything substantive. I base that on Trump's past performance during his current term and especially in regards to the current blatant fraud. He literally has repeatedly surrounded himself with traitors, stooges, and swamp creatures.

The recent last minute reshuffling of JSOC-DOD-Intel characters was the only actually serious thing I know of, but those moves don't necessarily mean what a lot of people are hoping they mean.

I said when Trump first got in the Great Disappointment with Trump was going to be epic and have history-making results. I think that is one very likely outcome. A lot of toothpaste has been squeezed out of the tube and it isn't going back in.

Alternatively, the MAGA crowd will just continue to "trust the Plan" for four years under a Democrud administration, the GOP will become irrelevant and likely never win a national election again, a lot of the RINOs will wind up in the Dem party as its new "moderate-centrist wing", and a hard-right nationalist movement will form, possibly with a national party. The communist takeover of America will have been completed and China-BRICS will be the new global superpower(s).

Or not.

Hopefully, more people will come to realise the solution is to build strong Christian families guided by the Word, until they replace the communists and sell-outs by sheer demographics.

Originalist 12-24-2020 08:37 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Esaias (Post 1598848)
Personally, I suspect Trump and Pence aren't going to actually do anything substantive. I base that on Trump's past performance during his current term and especially in regards to the current blatant fraud. He literally has repeatedly surrounded himself with traitors, stooges, and swamp creatures.

The recent last minute reshuffling of JSOC-DOD-Intel characters was the only actually serious thing I know of, but those moves don't necessarily mean what a lot of people are hoping they mean.

I said when Trump first got in the Great Disappointment with Trump was going to be epic and have history-making results. I think that is one very likely outcome. A lot of toothpaste has been squeezed out of the tube and it isn't going back in.

Alternatively, the MAGA crowd will just continue to "trust the Plan" for four years under a Democrud administration, the GOP will become irrelevant and likely never win a national election again, a lot of the RINOs will wind up in the Dem party as its new "moderate-centrist wing", and a hard-right nationalist movement will form, possibly with a national party. The communist takeover of America will have been completed and China-BRICS will be the new global superpower(s).

Or not.

Hopefully, more people will come to realise the solution is to build strong Christian families guided by the Word, until they replace the communists and sell-outs by sheer demographics.

Trump and Pence will have to have a complete change of heart in the next 11 days in order for your scenario to play out. Trump doubled down with his speech 2 days ago (that has been buried). This will drag out until January 20 unless SCOTUS magically becomes interested in the case, which wouldn't surprise me. I am sure Roberts is waiting for orders from his handlers who have the pics of him at the bathhouses. All that aside, I think TODAY Trump still intends on blowing things up completely on January 6. Unlike the hypothetical scenario in the essay, I posted where only ONE State is being contested, there are SEVEN States being contested. Even New Mexico's legislature is joining in the fray. I cannot see Trump, as of TODAY, just giving in.

There is one area of concern. What has happened with Sydney Powell? Earlier in the week, she claims she is being blocked from talking to Trump by his staff after he floated appointing her a special prosecutor. Then she is seen coming out of a side door at the White House after that. My concern is that she is going to need too much more time to build her case conclusively.

jediwill83 12-24-2020 10:58 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1598843)
My bible has 2” wide margin.

Why would you not want that?


Nerd🤓

Nicodemus1968 12-24-2020 11:53 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by jediwill83 (Post 1598864)
Nerd🤓

Lol!

Nicodemus1968 12-24-2020 11:55 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1598846)
That’s a lot!

It’s easier to write my notes. I understand phones tablets carry all info we need, and trust me I have them all. Yet, IMO there is nothing like opening the pages to the Bible and taking notes in the book.

Esaias 12-24-2020 12:21 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1598861)
Trump and Pence will have to have a complete change of heart in the next 11 days in order for your scenario to play out. Trump doubled down with his speech 2 days ago (that has been buried). This will drag out until January 20 unless SCOTUS magically becomes interested in the case, which wouldn't surprise me. I am sure Roberts is waiting for orders from his handlers who have the pics of him at the bathhouses. All that aside, I think TODAY Trump still intends on blowing things up completely on January 6. Unlike the hypothetical scenario in the essay, I posted where only ONE State is being contested, there are SEVEN States being contested. Even New Mexico's legislature is joining in the fray. I cannot see Trump, as of TODAY, just giving in.

There is one area of concern. What has happened with Sydney Powell? Earlier in the week, she claims she is being blocked from talking to Trump by his staff after he floated appointing her a special prosecutor. Then she is seen coming out of a side door at the White House after that. My concern is that she is going to need too much more time to build her case conclusively.

Well, I guess we will see what he, Pence, Rudy, Sydney, and Lin do over the next few weeks.

coksiw 12-24-2020 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Nicodemus1968 (Post 1598868)
It’s easier to write my notes. I understand phones tablets carry all info we need, and trust me I have them all. Yet, IMO there is nothing like opening the pages to the Bible and taking notes in the book.

That's good. I have several Moleskine notebooks that I use for that. Then when I see that I got something I want to share with others, I write them using LaTeX (https://tug.org/texlive/) to share as PDF.

I agree, the screen is different than paper.

n david 12-25-2020 07:52 AM

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I was very disappointed that VP Pence didn't invalidate the EC votes from the contested states yesterday. Twitter was all abuzz with tweets from Trump supporters about how yesterday was the day that VP Pence could reject the votes from contested states. I read it needed to be done in order for Trump to be successful in overturning the EC results on Jan 6th.

Guess not everything I read online is accurate or true. :sad

Has anyone seen the Kracken yet?

Evang.Benincasa 12-25-2020 08:01 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by n david (Post 1598909)
I was very disappointed that VP Pence didn't invalidate the EC votes from the contested states yesterday. Twitter was all abuzz with tweets from Trump supporters about how yesterday was the day that VP Pence could reject the votes from contested states. I read it needed to be done in order for Trump to be successful in overturning the EC results on Jan 6th.

Guess not everything I read online is accurate or true. :sad

Has anyone seen the Kracken yet?

How about some Saltine Kracken? :heeheehee

Evang.Benincasa 12-25-2020 08:07 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
Ah, the American Dream. It's a dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it. :kickcan

Nicodemus1968 12-25-2020 10:45 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 1598911)
Ah, the American Dream. It's a dream, because you have to be asleep to believe it. :kickcan

Lol!

OnTheFritz 12-25-2020 10:53 AM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
Why on earth would prayers lead to Trump somehow staying in office? There’s a glimmer of hope that actual grown-up humans might be in charge soon. Yes, yes. Abortion - which will never be illegal ever again, so that has nothing to do with any of this. Socialism? Nonsense. Get your foil hats off. Relax. Get the whining baby out of the White House. As liberal as I am, I would take just about any normal human with an ounce of character over the disaster that is Trump, Giuliani and Kraken psycho lady. These people are unhinged.

coksiw 12-25-2020 12:31 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1598918)
Why on earth would prayers lead to Trump somehow staying in office? There’s a glimmer of hope that actual grown-up humans might be in charge soon. Yes, yes. Abortion - which will never be illegal ever again, so that has nothing to do with any of this. Socialism? Nonsense. Get your foil hats off. Relax. Get the whining baby out of the White House. As liberal as I am, I would take just about any normal human with an ounce of character over the disaster that is Trump, Giuliani and Kraken psycho lady. These people are unhinged.

It is true that Abortion won't be illegal for a while in US, but there is a still a fight for how far it goes. It is true that gay marriage and queer rights are here to stay for a while, but there is still a fight to stop the child abuse that it is to tell a second grade kid that their mind may be in the wrong body, and to take rights away from parents.

Republicans also care about the needy and the poor, however, they believe it to be not the job of the gov't that much as it is the job of individuals and non-profits to take it. They believe it makes it much more efficient. Republicans donate more to charities than Democrats, and they run a lot of charities as well.

Taking that into account, what the left has to offer to a true Bible believer? Nothing. Unless, of course, one celebrates homosexuality and queer stuff, and supports abortions, which if that's the case, then that person is not somebody that fears God to begin with.

OnTheFritz 12-25-2020 11:20 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by coksiw (Post 1598924)
It is true that Abortion won't be illegal for a while in US, but there is a still a fight for how far it goes. It is true that gay marriage and queer rights are here to stay for a while, but there is still a fight to stop the child abuse that it is to tell a second grade kid that their mind may be in the wrong body, and to take rights away from parents.

Republicans also care about the needy and the poor, however, they believe it to be not the job of the gov't that much as it is the job of individuals and non-profits to take it. They believe it makes it much more efficient. Republicans donate more to charities than Democrats, and they run a lot of charities as well.

Taking that into account, what the left has to offer to a true Bible believer? Nothing. Unless, of course, one celebrates homosexuality and queer stuff, and supports abortions, which if that's the case, then that person is not somebody that fears God to begin with.

Nice unsubstantiated talking points. You’ve convinced yourself, clearly. “Taking that into account” would have to mean you weren’t just making things up based on anecdotal nonsense you heard. :heeheehee One day, the cult of Trump will be viewed as it should be. The church was duped (and bought and paid for) by a sleazy charlatan who convinced people he was the Chosen One. What a disgrace.

Esaias 12-25-2020 11:40 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1598961)
Nice unsubstantiated talking points. You’ve convinced yourself, clearly. “Taking that into account” would have to mean you weren’t just making things up based on anecdotal nonsense you heard. :heeheehee One day, the cult of Trump will be viewed as it should be. The church was duped (and bought and paid for) by a sleazy charlatan who convinced people he was the Chosen One. What a disgrace.

Which of the talking points are "unsubstantiated" and/or "based on anecdotal nonsense"?

Originalist 12-26-2020 12:56 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by OnTheFritz (Post 1598961)
Nice unsubstantiated talking points. You’ve convinced yourself, clearly. “Taking that into account” would have to mean you weren’t just making things up based on anecdotal nonsense you heard. :heeheehee One day, the cult of Trump will be viewed as it should be. The church was duped (and bought and paid for) by a sleazy charlatan who convinced people he was the Chosen One. What a disgrace.

This is not about Trump. This is about a stolen election.

MawMaw 12-26-2020 02:56 PM

Re: Preparing for a Disputed Presidential Election
 
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Originally Posted by Originalist (Post 1598981)
This is not about Trump. This is about a stolen election.

Exactly right! And if they get away with stealing
this election, there won't be any use voting again
as far as I can tell. :(

Absolutely disgusting and despicable what has
happened. And why the "higher ups" are seemingly
ignoring the tons of positive evidence, has most
American's shaking their heads in disbelief!


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