Why do we use trinitarian..........
 

It is made clear daily that many around here believe all trinitarians are lost. I have always wondered how people reconcile the fact that they truely believe all trinitarians are lost when so much from trinitarians are used in Apostolic churches.

Why are the majority of songs in the song book written by trinitarians? Why do many sunday school books put out by Apostolic groups contain many teachings from trinitarians? If one truely believes these people are lost how do we reconcile the use of so much from them in Apostolic churches?

I remember when I use to teach the teen class we would get books for the teachers to read along with the Sunday School material and the books were always written by trinitarians. So I guess my real question is simply why do we use so many things written by "lost" people in the Apostolic church?

All I know is...some cavemen are nice gentlemen and they wear clothes
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He caught a Trinitarian
 

Could that be....a Trinitarian hanging from the cavemans shoulders???

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Which reminds me, I just got back from the store and they had frozen rabbit for sale...kinda of a rarity here in So Cal

I'm on the Pentecostal Publishing House mailing list. I discovered a few years after a truth is introduced by a ''trinitarian'' a ''oneness'' version comes out. Battlefield of the Mind was assulted becuase the Author was Joyce Meyer. Years later a oneness person puts out he same thing on audio cd, and it is promoted on PPH... It's an obvious attempt at imitation because the speaker is a woman. The next e-mail solicitation I got PPH was promoting a book about the Jezebel spirit that had NOTHING to do with makeup. Trinitarians knew that stuff for years.

Cult-minded Oneness people have a difficult time accepting truth is not based on a denomination. Truths are absolutes. Truth transcends denominations. I don't know why it is a challenge to accept the Oneness movemennt does not hold a monopoly on truth.

Well, I am somewhat surprised by this thread, but not shocked. Let me say this. When it comes to songs, I know of several trinitarian song writers who are still lost as a blind man in a new town. They can write some good songs with their talent, and still be lost.

As for authors, forget it. If a man cannot get the truth of God straight and cannot get salvation straight, how can he be straight in the deeper issues of doctrine? Yes, trinitarians are still lost. Yes, they still need to reject their pagan doctrines and come to the truth. They still need to come to Jesus by grace through faith according to Acts 2:38.

What a load. :lol
To bad you dont have a clue:thumbsdown

So says you. Too bad. I guess that truth can be relative to some, absolute to others.

I'm so glad all those oneness pentecostals were around to protect the bible throughout the ages while the trinitarians were translating it and stuff. lol.

UMMMMMMMM

WHAT!?!?!?!?

BP, you are an intersting person. There is not Biblical truth that Trinitarians go to hell. To say that they are you are trying to step into God's shoes. No one can ........ anyone nor forgive anyones sins. Only God and God alone! BP, for you seeming to be very spiritual you should know that. I can tell you I have learn alot if not more things from what you can classify as a Trinitarian author that I have oneness ones. The down side to the oneness authors is that they feel an abligation to talk only about oneness and not more important issues, marriage, drug abuse, etc.

I have read several books by oneness authors and they are good, but most of the insight is the same merry-go-round you hear in service, One God, Jesus only yada, yada, yada. If were skilled enough to write a good book then I would, but I can't. But you should read Jentezen Franklin's new book. It is good. TF Tenney is one of his friends and JF is classifed as a Trinitarian. Branch out BP, you might learn something.

You know Price, you have very little to say that is valid. schooled or legitimate. Truth is relative to some? What a joke... your concept of absolute concrete truth is more fluid than anyone I have ever known.

I know the truth and it has set me free. Many believe oneness and trinitarians will be in heaven.... Because faith in Jesus Christ is what saves.. not onews personal persuasion in the Godhead... which is a VERY difficult subject of study.... there is alot more than your two or three pet verses

I'd watch what measure of judgement I use if I where you... it may come back on you

AMEN

Then, of course, there are the Bibles translated by trinitarians.

But since a bad tree (unsaved person) cannot bear good fruit (Christian evidences), you are clearly wrong about what you're saying. IF trinitarians are unsaved, they would not be able to write Biblically accurate songs or otherwise communicate any truth whatsoever. Why? Because the carnal (unsaved) mind cannot comprehend the things of God.

What is the name of JF's new book?

Right People, Right Place, Right Plan...or some variation of those three.

I think the dogmatic Oneness folks (the ones who are desperately anti-trinitarian) should hunker down and isolate themselves until Christ's return. And I hope God gives them an isolated section of Heaven, so they don't feel cheated when they see Trinnies there! Can you imagine how grumpy they would be??? :lol

Tim-may!!!!

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Like my new "wheel chair"?

As a trinitarian I can understand where the OPs are coming from. The way we think about God is eternally important and to be truthful I tend to be almost as dogmatic.

Wow. All I can say is Wow!

Didn't know that those who deny Jesus being God alone can still make it to Heaven. Did not know that those who believe that there are those beside God will make Heaven their home?

Can you give me scripture that says God does not care what you think about Him, that you can make Heaven your home without the truth? How about that one can worship a god birthed in paganism and Babylonian mysticism and still make Heaven your home?

BTW, when we do this, we disregard Paul's words in Galatians 1:8-9, 2John 9-11, and Revelation 22:18-19. But, what do I know? I mean, I just believe with a sincere conviction that scriptures speaks clearly on these issues. Guess, guess I am too hard.

Yeah right.

you're a trinitarian? What do you mean you can be almost as dogmatic?

I am curious......

Have you ever asked a trinitarian if they believe Jesus is God? I have, over and over... and EVERY TIME their answer has made all of the Oneness preachers who said they do not to be liars.

Better question. Ask them if Jesus is the Father.

Why? If they believe Jesus is God, isn't the rest just semantics? I know that semantics is a dirty word around here. lol.

I have trouble with the modalistic concept of God and I believe that it is just as much an error as the OPs see the trinity.

You suffer from a lack of credibility.....

AMEN!!!!

How does that make a difference on an eternal level, and what scripture do you base that on.... Where do we see that one must confess and believe Jesus is the Father?

They'll probably say no. Sadly, they fell for the many "tricks" in the Bible to make them think that.

Hebrews 12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Luk 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit

Luk 22:42 Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.

Silly trinnies. How can they not see: Jesus, the Son of God, is His own Father, too!

Perhaps they have just been decieved by their mother the Catholic church:killinme

Gesh, BP, that is the same question. Symantics. If you had a tv channel or radio program your tag line would be "Semantics Anytime, Semantics All the Time."


I agree with you Sheltie. I have spent tons of time speaking with trinitarians about their view of the God head. You are right. I think that many preachers take the stance they do, because if there is good there is evil. So if they deem themselves good and they are oneness then the trinitarians are the opposite. Oneness preachers talk about Trinitarians as if they are ugly duckling or something.

Worse Bro - they label trinitarians as pagans, dogs, deceivers, and false prophets... and actually some worse

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Can you say family reunion! I think it so funny in a negative way how people discount other family memebers and others that do not "see" it the same way. I think that it is straight ups STUPID for someone to effectively ........ someone to hell for not seeing the Godhead or a baptism formula the same way. Plan stupid.

We had better be careful what we say.

And no one is saying that it doesn't go both ways, it is just discouraging every time that you realize that something that was pounded into your head for your entire life is not true, and all it takes is a civil conversation with the "accused" to find this out.

HUGE AMEN!!!

LOL - love the signature by the way

I have always tried to live my life being as kind as possible to all regardless of the church or belief. Some do actually believe in 3 different Gods and others believe like we do...

Jesus isn't God alone, He's also the "only begotten Son" of God - or do you deny what Jesus said in John 3:16 about God giving His "only begotten Son"?

This statement proves you don't know what you're talking about.

I wasn't aware that Paul wrote (or was quoted in) 2 John and Revelation in addition to writing Galatians.