John MacArthur Didn't like to speak in tongues.
 

John MacArthur was a cessationist he believed the gifts of the Holy Ghost including speaking in tongues, ceased with the apostles in the first century A.D.
But, that really isn't the reason why he didn't believe in tongues. He never had the Holy Ghost. He grew up in a dead dry as toast religion. Deader than fried chicken, dryer than a mummy's pocket. Sadly he never wept and prayed through to feel the power of the Holy Ghost. Ol' John Boy did write a book though, called Charismatic Chaos. A young man in our church family years ago handed me a copy. He said his Baptist mother gave him the book when she found out that he was attending church with us. He received the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues as God gave the utterance. Right after he was baptized in Jesus name. He was so happy, and told his mother all about it. Previously he wasn't interested in attending church. Was bordering on agnostic heading towards atheism. He didn't want to go back to the Baptist church because all he ever got out of that was good nap. He would sit in on my Bible studies out in Fort Lauderdale. First he would sit a few tables down and listen. Then he grabbed a Bible and sat with us. Later he started to come to service, then the rest I have already testified.
Yet, after this young man was filled to overflowing. A changed behavior, and a changed spirit. His mother concerned purchased John MacArthur's book. The young man asked me, "elder, should I read it?" I told him since your mother gave it to you, I think you should. So, he did. He is still living for God to this day.

You see, what poor John MacArthur couldn't understand is that when someone gets the real Holy Ghost, and really speaks in a heavenly language. They get a change, a change that no one can talk them out of. A change that keeps them going. They pray different, and they stay different. No amount of books, or pamphlets written by some dusty old Reformed Baptist can change it or put a halt to it.

Thank you Jesus for the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues.

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Amen! Thankful for the Holy Ghost speaking in tongues :heart

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Amen. It is the greatest blessing one can ever receive from Jesus Christ.
When someone is truly born again it is a pleasure which can't be described.
I'm so sorry for those who would teach otherwise. Instead of encouraging those who have never been filled to seek for infilling of the mighty power

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:highfive

"No amount of books or pamphlets" amen to that!

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John MacArthur became the biggest yahweh-(jupiter)-pusher of the last century with his Legacy Standard Bible (LSB). This is a very sad part of his legacy.

He was also incredibly weak on the precious blood of Jesus

John MacArthur did resist the “covid” mask-jab fascism, refusing to close his church.
That was rare among big churches.

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What does that even mean?

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Hi Diakonos,

John MacArthur considered the blood of Jesus as irrelevant, only a metaphor for his death.

There is quite a bit of good material on this available.

One of my Baptist friends says that this is a frequent failure of some segments of Calvinism.

Steven

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I thought that is what you were referring to.
That is a sound bite taken out of context.

Regards

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It was a position John MacArthur took for decades.

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Wait, do people actually believe that the blood had real power, and it is not a reference to His death? Is that why people “plead” the blood of Jesus?

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I guess I never really put much thought into this. But, I don’t see how biblical references to His blood would be anything other than pointing to His sacrificial death on the cross.

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Like when people say that there is power in the name of Jesus. Is it power, or is it authority that the name represents?

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"Without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins".

"The life (soul) of the flesh is in the blood".

Seems there is an emphasis not merely upon the death of the sacrificial victim, but on the pouring out of the victim's BLOOD. The sacrifices were killed and their blood poured out, they weren't suffocated or drowned or just strangled. So there is an importance attached to the "shed blood" which goes beyond the mere "dying". Obviously, the blood wouldn't mean anything if Christ didn't actually die. But His death was pre-ordained to include blood shedding, in keeping with the ancient patterns established prior to the Flood regarding sacrifice.

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Technically, "pleading the blood of Jesus" regarding someone or something would mean praying for God to apply the merits of Christ's death to that person or situation. (Boy that sounded catholic, didn't it? lol)

But in practice people "plead the blood of Jesus" like it's some kind of magical spell, kind of like women laying their uncut hair on people or whatnot in order to "boost" the power of prayer? At least that is how it often came across to me. It is very common in charismatic circles.

Then again, handkerchiefs were brought from the apostle's body and given to sick folk for them to get their healing, "special miracles", etc. So, I don't sweat it too much unless it's obviously going in an unbiblical direction.

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Yes, I understand that.

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Well, people plead the blood over their car, their job, their finances…


I have not done so to my home, nor have I anointed my home with oil, as is the practice of many.
Kinda recently on the internets, there was a vid posted of a woman that wanted to apply the blood of Jesus to her home, so she poured grape juice around the perimeter. She didn’t even buy Welch’s. She used the Kroger brand.

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What? You've never seen Ben Hur?

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38 years ago.

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Amazing that they actually made something like that in Hollywood. The blood of Jesus dripping down the hill...mixing with the rain that the lepers are standing in....

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Steve, could you explain a bit more clearly what you mean?

Maybe explain the difference of how you see the blood of Jesus compared to how MacArthur saw the blood of Jesus.

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John MacArthur hated anything Pentecostal, charismatic, Oneness, holiness, you name it. I remember seeing a video where a man got up in one of his services and rebuked him for teaching Cessationist doctrine.

I thank God for the Holy Ghost. I thank God that I speak in a language that the enemy cannot understand. It is a sweet, comforting, convicting, powerful thing sent straight from Heaven. My heart genuinely aches for the self-professing Christians that speak so strongly against such a precious, holy, and pure gift.

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The enemy can’t understand?

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What do you mean when you say “I speak in a language, the enemy cannot understand.” ?

I take it the enemy is the devil and not visitors who would enter a church service?
Could you share a few verses concerning your statement?

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There is no scriptural evidence that I'm aware of that says the enemy, the devil, what have you can't understand you when you pray in the Holy Ghost. But I've always felt like he couldn't, considering praying in the Spirit is a direct communication between you and God. The devil isn't all-knowing like God. Of course, I know "feelings" aren't something we should go off of. So my statement was just that -- my feeling.

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The devil also is not omnipresent. Yet, most everyone swears that they fight him on the daily.

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Perhaps people get the idea from One Corinthians 14:2

For one who speaks in a tongue speaks not to men but to God; for no one understands him, but he utters mysteries in the Spirit.

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Which, was rather ignorant. If a stranger stood up in your church and started rebuking your pastor would you hear him out?

No, you would not!

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It's ALMOST as if mainstream Christianity isn't actually Christianity, but some other religion...

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Let us start with my beliefs:

Romans 3:24-26 (AV)
”Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood,
to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past,
through the forbearance of God;
To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness:
that he might be just,
and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.”

Romans 5:9 (AV)
”Much more then,
being now justified by his blood,
we shall be saved from wrath through him.”

Ephesians 1:7 (AV)
”In whom we have redemption through his blood,
the forgiveness of sins,
according to the riches of his grace;”

Ephesians 2:13 (AV)
”But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.”

Hebrews 10:19 (AV)
“Having therefore, brethren,
boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,”

1 Peter 1:18-19 (AV)
”Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things,
as silver and gold,
from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
But with the precious blood of Christ,
as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:”

Revelation 12:11 (AV)
“And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb,
and by the word of their testimony;
and they loved not their lives unto the death.”

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And I also believe that the blood of Jesus went down through the earthquake crack at Golgotha, landing on the mercy seat of the ark of the covenant.

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More verses to add!

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Thank you for your answers.

As far as Jesus being a ritualistic human sacrifice for mankind is a teaching that the Rabbis accuse Christians of believing. Deuteronomy 12:31, Jeremiah 7:31, and Leviticus 20:2–5. Human sacrifice rituals are forbidden in scripture. Jesus' crucifixion wasn't a human sacrifice. He willingly took the penalty of death for all mankind. Jesus' crucifixion: was not human sacrifice in the sense of religious ritual, but rather a voluntary act where Jesus accepted the penalty of death on behalf of the sons of Man, providing atonement for sins. Which emphasizes Jesus' willingness to die for others, rather than being killed by one person for another's benefit, distinguishing it from the forbidden human sacrifices in the Old Testament. Nowhere in the New Testament are we told by Jesus, the apostles, or the Apostle Paul that the blood of Jesus needed to be applied to the mercy seat.

For all those who don't know about the Ron Wyatt Jesus blood sample from off the mercy seat story. Ron Wyatt never took Jeremiah 3:16 into consideration.

Ron Wyatt claimed he discovered the Ark of the Covenant in a chamber beneath Golgotha and found a "crack in the ceiling above the Ark's Mercy Seat", through which he believed Jesus' blood dripped during the crucifixion. He alleged the dried, black substance from the crack was analyzed as Jesus' blood, containing 24 chromosomes (23 from Mary, one Y from the Holy Spirit), indicating a divine origin and fulfilling the biblical prophecy of atonement by placing divine blood on the Mercy Seat. However, his claims have been met with considerable skepticism and lack corroborating evidence from mainstream scientific and archaeological communities.

Also, Ron Wyatt never took Jeremiah 3:16 into consideration.

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It's also upsetting to the congregation. It's like a visiting preacher who climbs into a pulpit and starts to teach contrary to the ministry of the host church. It doesn't work out too well. You would best save your breath to cool your porridge. Because it's literally going in one ear and out the other. Getting up and rebuking the pastor is unprofitable to the rebuker, the pastor, and the saints. It is also mayhem, because it catches everyone off guard. It makes the rebuker look bonkers. Which is all the church family are going to remember. The day the kook came and yelled at the preacher. Nothing more, nothing less.

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It is another religion.

It is a blend of myth and fables. Had a pastor visit one of my brothers at hospice. He took off praying and started to gag and spit up while he was revving his engines in prayers. The dude said it was the Holy Ghost? His church family who were with him agreed. Absolutely bewildering. :lol

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I've been in churches where if a person starts praying, and starts praying in tongues, and then coughs, everybody thinks that person has a demon instead and tries to lay hands on them to cast it out. Didn't happen to me but I've seen when a cough during prayer was taken that way.

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Over 20 years ago (man, I’m old) in a youth service there was a young woman who was being prayed for/over. Because she wouldn’t speak in tongues people assumed she was fighting/had a devil.

I don’t know where people get this stuff from.

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Hey, it was ok to dress casual on Wednesday night and maybe even Sunday mornings. But if we dressed casual on Sunday nights, man o man, they had to “pray us through.”

So, sometimes I would dress casual on purpose. :lol

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Yes, he did.
Maybe you read the verse superficially?