WOW!!! T F Tenney - "Let the Redeemed of the Lord DRESS SO"
 

THIS WAS INCREDIBLE!!!!!

I love him so much...great man, leader and Bishop to the Louisiana District!

Sure puts to rest the big mouths that say he a "Liberal that believes nothing"

Enjoy!

http://www.theapostolics.org/online/...es/default.asp

Brother T.F. Tenney is a great man and a great preacher. Anyone who thinks
otherwise is pretty shallow in my opinion.

Great title.....





any scripture to back it up?

Amen Bro....now prepare for the fireworks...LOL
You can hide with me.....:killinme

The WHOLE message is nothing but scripture......

NYLP,

I am always amused at those who think people like AM and TFT are "liberal". Every time I hear them they sound like 99% of old time Pentecost.

Same with KH. I remember being so disappointed hearing one of his first sermons (maybe his first) after he was elected GS because he had the same old laundry list of legalism I have heard all of my life in the UPC. I don't know if he was trying to prove his stree cred in that sermon but it was the same old same old. This was from a guy who was supposedly a progressive and "liberal". I feel like TFT and AM are much the same.

One of my CLOSEST friends walks out when TFT preaches at BOTT....says he is a charismatic!:killinme:killinme

WHATEVER!

Brother,
Dial-up is all I have available, so hit the hi-lites for me please.

ROFL!!! That is like a Roman Catholic walking out on the Pope because he is "Southern Baptist".

I like a lot of what TFT has to say in his sermons but God did not bless him with a voice that is easy to listen to.

IAM continues to amaze me!

:highfive

NLYP thanks it made me homesick though I heard him here in Pensacola this year nothing is like La Dist.

What is amazing to me is the length taken to say that the inside is what informs the outside, but yet 3/4 of the sermon is focused on the outside.
Standards are the guardrails? I thought it was intimacy with Jesus and the guidance of the Holy Spirit. The effort that it takes to police the standards is proof the it is not a natural outflowing of the Spirit.

Sorry, I don't believe it, we lived the standards for many years, they did not provide one iota of "guardrail" protection. I will therefore live a modest life in intimacy with my Lord and the presence of His Holy Spirit.

Designed to Hold the Faith Forever?
 

I note that the sermon may be from 2003. I am surprised by the sermon and even more surprised that one would close with statements picked out of Tertullian's arguments about women's attire.

Tertullian believed in addition to what was noted; that women were the gateway of the devil and that it was wrong to wear clothing that had been dyed a different color than its natural state (after all sheep weren't naturally purple). He was adamant that all women everywhere should be veiled.

However, the scariest part of the closing was in putting forth the idea that standards are designed to hold the faith forever.

Say what????

Modesty? Yes!! Of course. But let's be real for our culture and time. If men aren't expected to wear white robes [down to their feet]; then why use such a verse as a standard against shorts as opposed to pants too?

And if the Isrealites dressed distinctly and so then should we... get the men involved. NOT just the women. Why are women to dress distinctly and ministers to dress like their culture would expect of them?

Finally, let's not suggest that God doesn't want us altering our bodies if we are going to be ok with men shaving. Likewise; let's HONESTLY recognize that distinction of the sexes would be much more obvious if men didn't shave.

Standards are not what holds our faith forever (even if they were consistent which they certainly are not). Standards proposed by Tertillian didn't save the church from Cathalicism and the dark ages. Why would we imagine that such is a lifeboat of faith today?

Survival in a Storm
I watched a show/re-enaactment of five people trying to survive in the Ocean for a week on a raft that was NEVER INTENDED TO BE USED AS A SURVIVAL DEVISE. They were without food or water; and sharks were following them because of the blood trail they left because one of them was wounded in the storm...

After the show was over and I thought about it a few days; I told my husband that nobody had to die (as three of them did). We backed up the show to see the beginning again; where their yacht was sinking.

A couple of people ran for the very VISIBLE RAFT and threw it overboard; while one man by himself struggled with a compact capsule about the size of a suitcase; that when activated would pop up like a giant floating tent with specific items for survival such as a gps tracking system; something that made salt water safe to drink, and mirrors for signalling, etc.

The problem was that a couple people had already gone for the visible raft and weren't there to help with the capsule of survival. The man who wrestled with it on his own; could not hold onto it by himself in the storm and after a few hours it blew away while those on the raft looked on.

If the raft wouldn't have been there; I believe the people would have done everything they needed to do; to secure the capsule with the life surviving gear inside.

Trusting in the Invisible
Likewise; we are told to put on the whole armor of God. An armor that isn't visible to the naked eye and so too often we may cling to tradition because its visible and there is clearly a storm raging around us.

The church needs to reach for the harder things than tradition. The church needs to put on the whole armor of God that she may withstand the evil of the day and the church needs to pray always.

On Christ the solid rock I stand! All other ground is sinking sand...

Wow, I love this post, what a powerful analogy with the raft. I agree that the focus on the outward immunizes against the internal, and gives a false sense of holiness. Outward standards can certainly be a form of godliness, but lacking the power that comes from intimacy with Jesus.

Outstanding Newman!

Absolutely perfect analogy - you nailed it!

Thanks for this post, Newman....When "The Standards" are discussed more than the Word of God in preaching and with lay members, that's when it's the scariest. When I am around my ultra-conservative friends and relatives and they tell me about what the preachers and evangelists preach, some of them will tell me "what they are still preaching against" ....Then they name the list. I have asked, "What scripture was used" ....They can't recall that, but they can recall that "he sure did blast them on 'the list'"....I'm not making this up. With due respect for the conservatives here, I don't know that this type of thing would be the case with their preaching or church members. I am just telling you how it is in my neck of the woods.

Crackerjack,

Great post. I agree 100%. It is sermons like this from the supposedly "liberal" or "charismatic" wing of the UPC that discourages me greatly and lets me know that for the most part nothing has really changed. They may not be as rude and blunt about the legalism but it is still the focus and they stil equate corporate legalism with "holiness".

I do have hope now that I see the sermon was frm 2003. It is possible that in four years TFT could have changed positions some. I hope so.

Well, I hope he hasn't changed. If he has, he needs to go back and listen to his sermon......or read his book! I'm pretty sure he has a book by the same title.

I've seen so many changes in the 'Church', CC1, that it scares me when I think of what it might look like 20-25 years from now. And no, it certainly isn't all in how we look, but the way we dress does count for something. The Holy Ghost will tell you that.

Come visit Christ Church in Nashville and hopefully you will get a sneak peek at what the church will look like 20-25 years from now.:killinme:haloplug

So I've heard.

BTW, I've always wanted to visit and hear the choir. Maybe someday........

So every church will have a starbucks, a fantastic choir, and some guy who posts on AFF and looks at the young ladies in front of him, hmmmm.
He he he

I resent that. You know good and well that I can turn my head and look at pretty ladies on the side and in back of me!!!:killinme

Would love for you to visit! Everybody usually ends up with a reason to come to or through Nashville at some point so maybe it will happen.

:lol:killinme You're a certified Nut!!!

You are quite a bit younger than me so I am going to share a tidbit of wisdom that may serve you well.

Do you know about the old "five second rule" regarding dropped food? That is where food is ok to eat after being dropped on the floor as long as you pick it up within five seconds.

There is a similar but little publicized rule about men looking at pretty women. You are allowed 2-3 seconds to look then you better move on both with your eyes and your mind!

If you don't spend at least 2-3 seconds looking at a pretty woman then we need to worry about your God given masculinity.

If you look longer than 2-3 seconds we need to worry about your spirituality!

:sshhh Aint that the truth and vica versa for women;)!

BTW...Bro. TFT is an amazing speaker and his sermons most always Biblically based and anointed. I believe his to be a moderate after my own heart!

Blessings, Rhoni

That is funny, but true. Billy Graham has the best quote on this subject that
I have ever heard. He says the first look is where we are simply noticing a
thing of beauty. The second look might be called a look of admiration, but
the third look that is where we are going to far, and it may get us in trouble.

Right and he cannot be accused of being overly critical or judgemental.He is very
merciful.When I was a younger minister in La he would get down on the steps
and speak to use as a group during Dist. conference.He always had alot of good
things to say concerning the future and how to keep your heart right when everything else goes wrong.

I hope also that you are right.

Rhoni,

I have great affection for TFT for his tenure, however I cannot see that that sermon was in anyway an accurate use of scripture. He used example after example of OT verses using apparel in a spiritual sense, the interesting thing about the examples was that they include jewels. Yet he just slip right on pass that without comment. How about some intellectual honesty, and no one seemed to notice.

I think it is sad that a man of his tenure presents such a spiritually shallow sermon, surely he has more depth.

When you try to justify the legalism you are left with picking and choosing and twisting scripture.

I didn't know WholeHearted attended BOTT....











:D

I can assure you...he has NOT changed anything about him or his message.

Oh your a funny man......

Define "funny."