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HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 01:00 AM

For men only...please read post before voting!
 
On another forum, I've been in discussion about the doctrine of the laying of long hair on people. One particular male poster stated that if that action is boosting the woman's faith, what's wrong with it.

I then asked him if he would place his head on someone as to cover them with his hair for healing and would it boost his faith. He said yes, it would.

I'm shocked. So I feel led to ask.....for men only please...if you were desperate and felt that God wasn't listening and honoring your faith, would you remind God that you have been faithful to His Word in not having long hair, and place your cut hair on a sick loved one for healing?

This is NOT a public poll, so your answers will remain confidential.

Defender 06-30-2007 06:58 AM

As a matter of everyday practice? No. But if I felt God directing me to do so I absolutely would. He has had people do some unusual things to accomplish his will.

Sheltiedad 06-30-2007 07:14 AM

The original post describes the scenario as an act of desperation, not direction from God.

IAintMovin 06-30-2007 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 172779)
On another forum, I've been in discussion about the doctrine of the laying of long hair on people. One particular male poster stated that if that action is boosting the woman's faith, what's wrong with it.

I then asked him if he would place his head on someone as to cover them with his hair for healing and would it boost his faith. He said yes, it would.

I'm shocked. So I feel led to ask.....for men only please...if you were desperate and felt that God wasn't listening and honoring your faith, would you remind God that you have been faithful to His Word in not having long hair, and place your cut hair on a sick loved one for healing?

This is NOT a public poll, so your answers will remain confidential.

IMHO this thread is just trying to stir something up.

I will not even dignify it by voting..............

Bad Thread..............

Oh and by the way HO........some still believe the Word of God to mean what it says when it comes to a woman leaving her hair uncut........................

I will now leave again for the day................ :D :D

Defender 06-30-2007 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad (Post 172796)
The original post describes the scenario as an act of desperation, not direction from God.

You are right. Sorry.

CC1 06-30-2007 08:52 AM

I agree with ShetlandPonyDad,

I think a lot of people try to bargain with God and find things to "leverage" influence with him when a loved one is horribly sick or dying.

That is human nature and how valid that is I believe is determined by how one approaches God.

If it is a barter session you ae slap out of luck. If it is simply you reminding God that you are faithful and have devoted your life to doing things you think he is asking then I think that is fine. It is all in perspctive and attitude.

What scares me are the people and preachers who think we should "demand" things like healing from God. I have heard with my own ears Pentecostal preachers use scriptures about promises for healing to say that means we can demand healing from God. I think that is pretty much as surefire way to get smacked down or at least ignored by God!

Ronzo 06-30-2007 09:10 AM

I answered no. I have no qualms about people knowing that.

Do you know why I answered no???


Because it's WITCHCRAFT!!!

Ronzo 06-30-2007 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 172799)
Oh and by the way HO........some still believe the Word of God to mean what it says when it comes to a woman leaving her hair uncut........................



That'd be fine if it actually said anything about uncut hair on a woman... but it doesn't... so go ahead and keep adding to what the bible says... have fun with it. Enjoy it while you can.

MissBrattified 06-30-2007 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 172799)
IMHO this thread is just trying to stir something up.

I will not even dignify it by voting..............

Bad Thread..............

Oh and by the way HO........some still believe the Word of God to mean what it says when it comes to a woman leaving her hair uncut........................

I will now leave again for the day................ :D :D

I actually thought it was an interesting point...why aren't there men reminding God of their obedience in keeping their hair short, and laying their heads on the sick? Or simply using their hair as a reminder to God that they're submitted?

For your information, there are quite a lot of folks who believe a woman should leave her hair uncut, but still object to some of the new concepts that seem to be developing.

In an act of desperation, would you do that? Remind God that you had always kept your hair short? I'm not saying its a bad thing...just seems kind of weird to me...and a woman doing that with her uncut hair seems equally...well...weird.

TalkLady 06-30-2007 11:53 AM

I thought I had started a poll a few days ago about "If a person obeys Acts 2:38 but continues to lie and steal will he be saved"? for which I thought I would have 100% agreement that he would not be saved .........Believe it or not I think 4 people voted "MAYBE". That was very disturbing. If this poll gets 100% agreement, I am going to be very upset...LOL :killinme

Pressing-On 06-30-2007 12:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 172917)
I actually thought it was an interesting point...why aren't there men reminding God of their obedience in keeping their hair short, and laying their heads on the sick? Or simply using their hair as a reminder to God that they're submitted?

For your information, there are quite a lot of folks who believe a woman should leave her hair uncut, but still object to some of the new concepts that seem to be developing.

In an act of desperation, would you do that? Remind God that you had always kept your hair short? I'm not saying its a bad thing...just seems kind of weird to me...and a woman doing that with her uncut hair seems equally...well...weird.

I agree with Abby, except, I don't think it's weird for someone that has been taught this doctrine. I've been taught this doctrine in the past. I haven't used it for healing, only in a desperate prayer. :p

I found out you can't get ahead of God no matter how long your hair is.:D

Glenda B 06-30-2007 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 172799)
IMHO this thread is just trying to stir something up.

I will not even dignify it by voting..............

Bad Thread..............

Oh and by the way HO........some still believe the Word of God to mean what it says when it comes to a woman leaving her hair uncut........................

I will now leave again for the day................ :D :D

I agree with This Brother. This one and several more threads concerning this subject of laying on hair have been posted. Why? No Other reason than to stir the pot.

"GL" 06-30-2007 01:35 PM

:bored:bored:bored

Praxeas 06-30-2007 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ronzo (Post 172863)
I answered no. I have no qualms about people knowing that.

Do you know why I answered no???


Because it's WITCHCRAFT!!!

Ronzo, for the sake of clarity, can you define what witchcraft is and how this is witchcraft here?

Ronzo 06-30-2007 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 172968)
Ronzo, for the sake of clarity, can you define what witchcraft is and how this is witchcraft here?

Maybe some other day...


You're a pretty smart guy, Prax... you can figure it out, I'm sure.

Brother Price 06-30-2007 04:12 PM

It the Spirit laid it upon me to do so, I would. It would not be a daily practice, but if the Lord did lay it on my heart to do so, then so be it.

Scott Hutchinson 06-30-2007 05:45 PM

Sure lay some of my magic clippings on the sick ,and we'll empty the hospitals.

HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defender (Post 172790)
As a matter of everyday practice? No. But if I felt God directing me to do so I absolutely would. He has had people do some unusual things to accomplish his will.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad (Post 172796)
The original post describes the scenario as an act of desperation, not direction from God.

Exactly.

HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 172799)
IMHO this thread is just trying to stir something up.

I will not even dignify it by voting..............

Bad Thread..............

Oh and by the way HO........some still believe the Word of God to mean what it says when it comes to a woman leaving her hair uncut........................

I will now leave again for the day................ :D :D

Just to answer your statement above.....I believe the Word of God to mean what it says also, but my KJV doesn't say 'uncut' in regard to women's hair.

Oh, and this is not to stir up something. This is from an actual discussion I had with someone.

HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 172917)
I actually thought it was an interesting point...why aren't there men reminding God of their obedience in keeping their hair short, and laying their heads on the sick? Or simply using their hair as a reminder to God that they're submitted?

For your information, there are quite a lot of folks who believe a woman should leave her hair uncut, but still object to some of the new concepts that seem to be developing.

In an act of desperation, would you do that? Remind God that you had always kept your hair short? I'm not saying its a bad thing...just seems kind of weird to me...and a woman doing that with her uncut hair seems equally...well...weird.

Thanks for also reminding him that this thread isn't about cut or uncut anyway....but about men placing their hair on people for healing like some women are doing, claiming God is telling them to, or doing so to get God's attention, or as an act of desperation.

HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 172940)
I agree with This Brother. This one and several more threads concerning this subject of laying on hair have been posted. Why? No Other reason than to stir the pot.

Then why are you reading this thread???

And this is about the men, not the women.....READ THE THREAD TITLE!!!

HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brother Price (Post 172978)
It the Spirit laid it upon me to do so, I would. It would not be a daily practice, but if the Lord did lay it on my heart to do so, then so be it.

Read the first post. It's asking if a man would do so as an act of desperation like women are doing.

Glenda B 06-30-2007 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 173034)
Then why are you reading this thread???

And this is about the men, not the women.....READ THE THREAD TITLE!!!

Because I wanted to read this thread. And It is an open Forum for whosoever will to read. I wasn't the first female to post on this thread.
And I feel confident that you read and post on threads you don't agree with.

ChTatum 06-30-2007 08:40 PM

If you don't stir a boiling pot, it will scorch on the bottom.

Some of you folk need to rise to the top, 'cause you are getting scorched where you are.

This doctrine is already a boiling pot, it needs to have attention called to it.

HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 173057)
Because I wanted to read this thread. And It is an open Forum for whosoever will to read. I wasn't the first female to post on this thread.
And I feel confident that you read and post on threads you don't agree with.

And when I disagree, I discuss it, not make accusations as to the supposed intent of the thread starter.

Read the thread, discuss the issue, but don't go assuming things about people you don't even know.

HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChTatum (Post 173087)
If you don't stir a boiling pot, it will scorch on the bottom.

Some of you folk need to rise to the top, 'cause you are getting scorched where you are.

This doctrine is already a boiling pot, it needs to have attention called to it.

I take it that you voted no? LOL!

HeavenlyOne 06-30-2007 09:13 PM

I'm seriously looking for a man to admit that he has or would remind God about his sacrifice of having cut hair in obedience to God's word, and using that reminder to build up his faith to get God's attention for something.

On the other forum, I did have a woman admit to believing that there is power in her uncut hair. That about tossed me outta my chair!

Lost 06-30-2007 09:18 PM

Is this the quality of discussion that AFF has fallen to?

stmatthew 06-30-2007 09:59 PM

I think that the practice of laying hair on someone for healing is unbiblical, and shows a very immature understanding of the operation of faith.

ANYTIME someone steps outside of the realm of the Word of God, and tries to do something "by faith", they have left the only grounding by which true faith will prosper. if anything does happen, such as a healing, it is in spite of them, and not because of them.

jwharv 06-30-2007 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 172999)
Sure lay some of my magic clippings on the sick ,and we'll empty the hospitals.


Bro Scott,

You don't have that much to spare do you??????


:killinme :killinme :killinme


Just joking with you.............................

HeavenlyOne 07-01-2007 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lost (Post 173108)
Is this the quality of discussion that AFF has fallen to?

This is but one thread of several. You apparently are still lost.

HeavenlyOne 07-01-2007 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 173148)
I think that the practice of laying hair on someone for healing is unbiblical, and shows a very immature understanding of the operation of faith.

ANYTIME someone steps outside of the realm of the Word of God, and tries to do something "by faith", they have left the only grounding by which true faith will prosper. if anything does happen, such as a healing, it is in spite of them, and not because of them.

Very well put as to what I also believe.

IAintMovin 07-01-2007 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 173031)
Just to answer your statement above.....I believe the Word of God to mean what it says also, but my KJV doesn't say 'uncut' in regard to women's hair.

Oh, and this is not to stir up something. This is from an actual discussion I had with someone.

Sure............ :killinme:killinme

Arphaxad 07-01-2007 09:37 AM

What if I saved my hair from haircuts and sprinkled it on someone?





















Don't get mad, sometimes a little levity is o.k.




ARPH :doggyrun

Lost 07-01-2007 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 173266)
This is but one thread of several. You apparently are still lost.

Lost I am, but ignorant am I not.

mfblume 07-01-2007 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 172779)
if you were desperate and felt that God wasn't listening and honoring your faith, would you remind God that you have been faithful to His Word in not having long hair, and place your cut hair on a sick loved one for healing?

God does not respond to any reminders of anything we have done or not done in order to heal someone. Healing comes solely because of one reason, and one reason alone. The work of Christ in shedding His blood for our healing!

I am amazed at how standards replace love for each other as showing we are His. Standards replace the walk after the Spirit to cease fulfilling lusts of the flesh. And now standards are replacing the healing virtue of the work of the cross through Christ's shed blood. SOMEONE IS GOING CULTIC!

BY HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED.... NOT BY OUR OBEDIENCE IN MANAGING HAIR!!!!!!
And that means healing is aside from anything to do with our goodness or not. God has healed sinners as proof. Jesus healed AND THEN SAID, "Go and sin no more."

Since gifts of healing is one of the gifts of the Spirit, this also is shown to indicate that people who are USED IN HEALING OTHERS are not necessarily holy people, because the Corinthians came behind in no gift (1 Cor 1:7), and yet were carnal and envious and divisive. (I have seen uncut hair on some carnal believers, though! LOL. And on some very godly women, too.).

I'm afraid for many when I hear these stories of healing being attributed to our works.

All these stories and beliefs are attempts at pushing people to do and keep these standards. You see, if people are made to think healing is held back due to cut hair, or uncut hair causes people to know we are His, or uncut hair keeps us saved, then people will rush to obey these things. But they are robbing Christ, the work of the cross and the Spirit's empowerment of all their cause for these things.

Never rob Christ of glory and power simply to make women stop cutting their hair.

Pressing-On 07-01-2007 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arphaxad (Post 173300)
What if I saved my hair from haircuts and sprinkled it on someone?





















Don't get mad, sometimes a little levity is o.k.




ARPH :doggyrun

:killinme:killinme

HeavenlyOne 07-02-2007 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 173378)
God does not respond to any reminders of anything we have done or not done in order to heal someone. Healing comes solely because of one reason, and one reason alone. The work of Christ in shedding His blood for our healing!

I am amazed at how standards replace love for each other as showing we are His. Standards replace the walk after the Spirit to cease fulfilling lusts of the flesh. And now standards are replacing the healing virtue of the work of the cross through Christ's shed blood. SOMEONE IS GOING CULTIC!

BY HIS STRIPES WE ARE HEALED.... NOT BY OUR OBEDIENCE IN MANAGING HAIR!!!!!!
And that means healing is aside from anything to do with our goodness or not. God has healed sinners as proof. Jesus healed AND THEN SAID, "Go and sin no more."

Since gifts of healing is one of the gifts of the Spirit, this also is shown to indicate that people who are USED IN HEALING OTHERS are not necessarily holy people, because the Corinthians came behind in no gift (1 Cor 1:7), and yet were carnal and envious and divisive. (I have seen uncut hair on some carnal believers, though! LOL. And on some very godly women, too.).

I'm afraid for many when I hear these stories of healing being attributed to our works.

All these stories and beliefs are attempts at pushing people to do and keep these standards. You see, if people are made to think healing is held back due to cut hair, or uncut hair causes people to know we are His, or uncut hair keeps us saved, then people will rush to obey these things. But they are robbing Christ, the work of the cross and the Spirit's empowerment of all their cause for these things.

Never rob Christ of glory and power simply to make women stop cutting their hair.

Is there another reason you won't admit to laying your hair on a loved one for healing? Come on, brother.....you know you want to share that testimony!

Chan 07-02-2007 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne (Post 172779)
On another forum, I've been in discussion about the doctrine of the laying of long hair on people. One particular male poster stated that if that action is boosting the woman's faith, what's wrong with it.

I then asked him if he would place his head on someone as to cover them with his hair for healing and would it boost his faith. He said yes, it would.

I'm shocked. So I feel led to ask.....for men only please...if you were desperate and felt that God wasn't listening and honoring your faith, would you remind God that you have been faithful to His Word in not having long hair, and place your cut hair on a sick loved one for healing?

This is NOT a public poll, so your answers will remain confidential.

The poll may be confidential but I will reveal my answer: NO!

The notion of placing your hair on someone so as to cover the person suggests there's some sort of healing power in the hair itself and there is no biblical basis for claiming that there is healing power in one's hair. If God wasn't listening to my prayer and honoring my faith then I would have to conclude one of two things: 1) there is some sin in my life that is keeping my prayers from being heard or; 2) God's answer to my prayer for a particular person's healing is "no."

HeavenlyOne 07-02-2007 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chan (Post 173931)
The poll may be confidential but I will reveal my answer: NO!

The notion of placing your hair on someone so as to cover the person suggests there's some sort of healing power in the hair itself and there is no biblical basis for claiming that there is healing power in one's hair. If God wasn't listening to my prayer and honoring my faith then I would have to conclude one of two things: 1) there is some sin in my life that is keeping my prayers from being heard or; 2) God's answer to my prayer for a particular person's healing is "no."

I was recently amazed at the response of a woman I consider to be conservative yet intelligent who recently told me that she believes there is power in uncut hair. My jaw is still on the floor.


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