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Ron 07-23-2007 09:49 PM

A Sad Trend
 
What is happening in this day and age?

Where has respect for men of God and for one another gone?

Has debating issues become a case of oneupmanship?

Who can let one more tidbit about someone, or put down remark put someone in their place to wreck any respect for the other?

To tell you the truth, I have been pretty busy with work and stuff, but I also don't need the drama so I take CS'S advice (which is good advice BTW) and just switch off the forum and do something else more constructive with my time.

Yes, I do know Bro Godwin, not as well as some of you do though.
He has ministered to myself and my family, many have gotten the Holy Ghost under his Ministry-many in our Church.
I will defend him.
Did he miss it in MS last year?
Obviously, but shouldn't the embarrassment be enough, or should we heap more scorn on him?
What GOOD will that accomplish?

I don't know Brother's & Sister's but I miss the old days when discussion even
Controversial subjects were discussed with Substance.

I miss Noatecea (sp?) rrford, CS,steadfast, and other writers with substance.

I have other things to do, but I still think it strange that Men of God, and Saints of God are held in such low esteem that anything seems to go when it comes to disscussion.

Sad trend indeed.

God Bless!

Ron

MrsBOOMM 07-23-2007 10:27 PM

You are exactly right my friend. I see this forum as going nowhere lately. I spent the afternoon grabbing lyrics to songs that I have been wanting from some of the threads. I do not see the point of reading the threads that seem to be popular now. The more someone can cut someone up the better they like it lately. It is either that or you got someone touting that they wore a two piece bikini and another poster of the opposite sex requesting pics. Where is this going? I thought this was supposed to be an Apostolic Forum. And yes I won't be surprised when I get the questions regarding that statement.
There are better things I could be doing with my time and I plan to persue those.

Falla39 07-24-2007 03:59 AM

A Sad Trend
 
As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. What is in our hearts is coming

out our mouths, or being written. The words we speak, whether it is

spoken or written, is telling those who hear or read, exactly what is on

the inside. Where is the man/woman crying out to God, "LORD, create

in me a clean heart, O God, and renew in me a right spirit", or the desire

of " Let the words of my mouth and the mediations of my heart be

acceptable unto THEE, O God".

LORD, who am I desiring to please. God or man (myself).

Blessings,

Falla39

Brother Strange 07-24-2007 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 195908)
As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. What is in our hearts is coming

out our mouths, or being written. The words we speak, whether it is

spoken or written, is telling those who hear or read, exactly what is on

the inside. Where is the man/woman crying out to God, "LORD, create

in me a clean heart, O God, and renew in me a right spirit", or the desire

of " Let the words of my mouth and the mediations of my heart be

acceptable unto THEE, O God".

LORD, who am I desiring to please. God or man (myself).

Blessings,

Falla39

Sister,

You have the right attitude. It is the attitude that I want too. In all of this trivia, it is too easy to become flippant and disrespectful toward each other. A good reminder such as yours is a tug of the chain reminds me that truly, my desire it to please God above man or self.

In all of this discussion that sometimes become a little steamed, especially among preachers, that element of respect should remain with love being the guiding principle. The attitude of humility should always be present, allowing for criticism and discussion of that criticism when our hearts and minds are pure, desiring to be more like Christ by which that often stinging criticism has a correcting affect.

Humility is not being wimpish, but is quick to repent when error within us is exposed. The life of King David is a great example of that. "Search me O God. Know my thoughts I pray. See if there be some wicked way in me."

Glenda B 07-24-2007 09:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrsBOOMM (Post 195723)
You are exactly right my friend. I see this forum as going nowhere lately. I spent the afternoon grabbing lyrics to songs that I have been wanting from some of the threads. I do not see the point of reading the threads that seem to be popular now. The more someone can cut someone up the better they like it lately. It is either that or you got someone touting that they wore a two piece bikini and another poster of the opposite sex requesting pics. Where is this going? I thought this was supposed to be an Apostolic Forum. And yes I won't be surprised when I get the questions regarding that statement.
There are better things I could be doing with my time and I plan to persue those.

I agree with everything you all have said, and I see this thread moving right down to the bottom of the page. So many on here are completely unconcerned concerning how they appear to the lost.

I too have wondered how men, who are, Apostolic, Holy Ghost Filled, call by God to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world, could in good conscience be a regular participant on such a forum as this, that calls itself Apostolic.

I too have seen very many sexual innuendo’s joked about and discussed between those of the opposite sex. Just recently Brother William Price and I have been made the butt of just such crude sexual innuendos.

There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post. And we call ourselves Apostolic Holy Ghost Filled Christians?

CC1 07-24-2007 10:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 196116)
I agree with everything you all have said, and I see this thread moving right down to the bottom of the page. So many on here are completely unconcerned concerning how they appear to the lost.

I too have wondered how men, who are, Apostolic, Holy Ghost Filled, call by God to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world, could in good conscience be a regular participant on such a forum as this, that calls itself Apostolic.

I too have seen very many sexual innuendo’s joked about and discussed between those of the opposite sex. Just recently Brother William Price and I have been made the butt of just such crude sexual innuendos.

There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post. And we call ourselves Apostolic Holy Ghost Filled Christians?

:drama

RevDWW 07-24-2007 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 196116)
I agree with everything you all have said, and I see this thread moving right down to the bottom of the page. So many on here are completely unconcerned concerning how they appear to the lost.

I too have wondered how men, who are, Apostolic, Holy Ghost Filled, call by God to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world, could in good conscience be a regular participant on such a forum as this, that calls itself Apostolic.

I too have seen very many sexual innuendo’s joked about and discussed between those of the opposite sex. Just recently Brother William Price and I have been made the butt of just such crude sexual innuendos.

There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post. And we call ourselves Apostolic Holy Ghost Filled Christians?

I must have missed those threads, but as the Letter to Titus say, To the pure all things are pure......

LaVonne 07-24-2007 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ron (Post 195646)
What is happening in this day and age?

Where has respect for men of God and for one another gone?

Has debating issues become a case of oneupmanship?

Who can let one more tidbit about someone, or put down remark put someone in their place to wreck any respect for the other?

To tell you the truth, I have been pretty busy with work and stuff, but I also don't need the drama so I take CS'S advice (which is good advice BTW) and just switch off the forum and do something else more constructive with my time.

Yes, I do know Bro Godwin, not as well as some of you do though.
He has ministered to myself and my family, many have gotten the Holy Ghost under his Ministry-many in our Church.
I will defend him.
Did he miss it in MS last year?
Obviously, but shouldn't the embarrassment be enough, or should we heap more scorn on him?
What GOOD will that accomplish?

I don't know Brother's & Sister's but I miss the old days when discussion even
Controversial subjects were discussed with Substance.

I miss Noatecea (sp?) rrford, CS,steadfast, and other writers with substance.

I have other things to do, but I still think it strange that Men of God, and Saints of God are held in such low esteem that anything seems to go when it comes to disscussion.

Sad trend indeed.

God Bless!

Ron


Bro. Ron,

I'm glad you posted this thread and that you are not ashamed to stand of for men of God.

I miss many that I've met on the forum...miss the laughs and good discussions of past...there definitely does seem to be a more negative trend indeed.

tbpew 07-24-2007 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 196215)
I must have missed those threads, but as the Letter to Titus say, To the pure all things are pure......

revDWW,
could you share your understanding of the application the scripture you cited with the post from Hot Coffee?

chaotic_resolve 07-24-2007 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 196116)
I too have seen very many sexual innuendo’s joked about and discussed between those of the opposite sex. Just recently Brother William Price and I have been made the butt of just such crude sexual innuendos.

There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post. And we call ourselves Apostolic Holy Ghost Filled Christians?

I guess I've missed seeing the "very many sexual innuendo's." I do remember the comment made about WP and you, though it wasn't a "crude sexual innuendo." In fact, if what I remember of it is correct, there wasn't anything sexual about it at all. I could be wrong, but all I remember being posted was that both WP and yourself had been absent from posting for a while and someone commented that perhaps you two ran off together. I don't remember anything "sexual" or "crude" being said though.

So refresh my memory here . . . "There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post."

Care to give examples? Again, I must have missed it all because I haven't seen what you have.

OP_Carl 07-24-2007 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 195908)
As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. What is in our hearts is coming

out our mouths, or being written. The words we speak, whether it is

spoken or written, is telling those who hear or read, exactly what is on

the inside. Where is the man/woman crying out to God, "LORD, create

in me a clean heart, O God, and renew in me a right spirit", or the desire

of " Let the words of my mouth and the mediations of my heart be

acceptable unto THEE, O God".

LORD, who am I desiring to please. God or man (myself).

Blessings,

Falla39

You got it. The way people write things here can tell others much about them. They can build credibility for themselves as mature Christians and responsible adults, or they can diminish the respect others might have had for them by acting adolescent.

Doesn't this board have an 'ignore user' function?

RandyWayne 07-24-2007 01:30 PM

10 Commandments for posting

1) Be nice!

2) Ask HONEST questions -doesn't matter the question as long as it is honest and age appropriate for the board.

3) Don't take offense at others' "honest" questions

4) Be prepared to BACK UP what you say

5) Be nice!

6) If someone is disrespecting YOU or your positions continuesly, then just ignore them for a while. Don't fire back....

7) ....but then be prepared to give them a 2nd chance after a short break! And a third and a forth.....

8) Be nice!

9) Be willing to "test all things" and keep an open mind! (Perhaps one of the hardest commandments to follow)

10) Be nice!

Pressing-On 07-24-2007 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RandyWayne (Post 196375)
10 Commandments for posting

1) Be nice!

2) Ask HONEST questions -doesn't matter the question as long as it is honest and age appropriate for the board.

3) Don't take offense at others' "honest" questions

4) Be prepared to BACK UP what you say

5) Be nice!

6) If someone is disrespecting YOU or your positions continuesly, then just ignore them for a while. Don't fire back....

7) ....but then be prepared to give them a 2nd chance after a short break! And a third and a forth.....

8) Be nice!

9) Be willing to "test all things" and keep an open mind! (Perhaps one of the hardest commandments to follow)

10) Be nice!

It simply cannot be that easy, can it? :killinme

MrsBOOMM 07-24-2007 01:54 PM

i don't feel like the church needs to follow the world in lowering the bar. Just because the world has lowered its standard so far down that they don't have any standard anymore doesn't mean that the church need to follow suit. It is a great opportunity as the world grows darker for the church to shine brighter but some choose to blend in with the darkness.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 196116)
I agree with everything you all have said, and I see this thread moving right down to the bottom of the page. So many on here are completely unconcerned concerning how they appear to the lost.
I too have wondered how men, who are, Apostolic, Holy Ghost Filled, call by God to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world, could in good conscience be a regular participant on such a forum as this, that calls itself Apostolic.

I too have seen very many sexual innuendo’s joked about and discussed between those of the opposite sex. Just recently Brother William Price and I have been made the butt of just such crude sexual innuendos.

There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post. And we call ourselves Apostolic Holy Ghost Filled
Christians?


Glenda B 07-25-2007 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 196244)
I guess I've missed seeing the "very many sexual innuendo's." I do remember the comment made about WP and you, though it wasn't a "crude sexual innuendo." In fact, if what I remember of it is correct, there wasn't anything sexual about it at all. I could be wrong, but all I remember being posted was that both WP and yourself had been absent from posting for a while and someone commented that perhaps you two ran off together. I don't remember anything "sexual" or "crude" being said though.

So refresh my memory here . . . "There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post."

Care to give examples? Again, I must have missed it all because I haven't seen what you have.

You did miss them because they were edited by Admn. And the others would be to difficult for me to pull up. But I'm not making it up, and I'm not dramatizing either.

Glenda B 07-25-2007 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 196227)
revDWW,
could you share your understanding of the application the scripture you cited with the post from Hot Coffee?

Bump

Rhoni 07-25-2007 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falla39 (Post 195908)
As a man thinketh in his heart, so is he. What is in our hearts is coming

out our mouths, or being written. The words we speak, whether it is

spoken or written, is telling those who hear or read, exactly what is on

the inside. Where is the man/woman crying out to God, "LORD, create

in me a clean heart, O God, and renew in me a right spirit", or the desire

of " Let the words of my mouth and the mediations of my heart be

acceptable unto THEE, O God".

LORD, who am I desiring to please. God or man (myself).

Blessings,

Falla39

AMEN!:angelsad

Falla39 07-25-2007 03:11 PM

A Sad Trend
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OP_Carl (Post 196364)
You got it. The way people write things here can tell others much about them. They can build credibility for themselves as mature Christians and responsible adults, or they can diminish the respect others might have had for them by acting adolescent.

Doesn't this board have an 'ignore user' function?


Bro. OP Carl,

Sorry, just saw this! I think it does, but I don't know where it is.

I have never used it nor do I plan to. I just take it all, eat the meat

and throw away the bones! :slaphappy:slaphappy:slaphappy

Blessings,

Falla39

Chewy 07-25-2007 03:16 PM

Back in the day, we gained and improved character by lying in the bed we made for ourselves and taking ownership of our actions.

More than the so called trend of folks hammering the ministry, I think the real problematic trend is that people just can't stand up and say they made a mistake and move on. There is waaaay too much pride flowing out there and I think the mentality that if we apologize to people that somehow our authority or reputation is being compromised, is all too alive and well.

Instead we/minstry are content to simply be satisfied with the perspective that, "I don't remember doing/saying that, you are wrong!"

This is exactly why people don't trust the people and the ministry anymore.

Tina 07-25-2007 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 196116)
I agree with everything you all have said, and I see this thread moving right down to the bottom of the page. So many on here are completely unconcerned concerning how they appear to the lost.

I too have wondered how men, who are, Apostolic, Holy Ghost Filled, call by God to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world, could in good conscience be a regular participant on such a forum as this, that calls itself Apostolic.

I too have seen very many sexual innuendo’s joked about and discussed between those of the opposite sex. Just recently Brother William Price and I have been made the butt of just such crude sexual innuendos.

There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post. And we call ourselves Apostolic Holy Ghost Filled Christians?


I'm not going to bother logging out and back onto the ADMIN ID. I'll just make this an official post from the admin team. In reference to the bolded part of your post. Posts regarding this matter were previously deleted by Admin from the other thread. I do not understand why you chose to mention this again after we had previously handled the situation. Please refrain from continuing this in this thread, or from carrying it over to any other threads. Thank you. :)

rgcraig 07-25-2007 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tina (Post 197287)
I'm not going to bother logging out and back onto the ADMIN ID. I'll just make this an official post from the admin team. In reference to the bolded part of your post. Posts regarding this matter were previously deleted by Admin from the other thread. I do not understand why you chose to mention this again after we had previously handled the situation. Please refrain from continuing this in this thread, or from carrying it over to any other threads. Thank you. :)

Thank you, Tina!

Felicity 07-25-2007 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewy (Post 197264)
Back in the day, we gained and improved character by lying in the bed we made for ourselves and taking ownership of our actions.

More than the so called trend of folks hammering the ministry, I think the real problematic trend is that people just can't stand up and say they made a mistake and move on. There is waaaay too much pride flowing out there and I think the mentality that if we apologize to people that somehow our authority or reputation is being compromised, is all too alive and well.

Instead we/minstry are content to simply be satisfied with the perspective that, "I don't remember doing/saying that, you are wrong!"

This is exactly why people don't trust the people and the ministry anymore.

I agree with what you say here.


There are those people who apologize with a ....... "Well I'm so sorry that you would feel that way."


Cop out!

BoredOutOfMyMind 07-25-2007 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 197158)
You did miss them because they were edited by Admn. And the others would be to difficult for me to pull up. But I'm not making it up, and I'm not dramatizing either.

The report post tool is the great unused portion of the board.

Hot Coffee-

see post #21

BoredOutOfMyMind 07-25-2007 04:37 PM

MrsBoomm,

I will deal with YOU privately.

:kiss

Monkeyman 07-25-2007 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoredOutOfMyMind (Post 197311)
MrsBoomm,

I will deal with YOU privately.

:kiss

Eewwwww:slaphappy

Sheltiedad 07-25-2007 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 196116)
I agree with everything you all have said, and I see this thread moving right down to the bottom of the page. So many on here are completely unconcerned concerning how they appear to the lost.

I too have wondered how men, who are, Apostolic, Holy Ghost Filled, call by God to preach the Gospel of Jesus Christ to a lost and dying world, could in good conscience be a regular participant on such a forum as this, that calls itself Apostolic.

I too have seen very many sexual innuendo’s joked about and discussed between those of the opposite sex. Just recently Brother William Price and I have been made the butt of just such crude sexual innuendos.

There’s been many crude and rude comments made concerning things that shouldn’t be joked about on an open forum where many, many come and read and never post. And we call ourselves Apostolic Holy Ghost Filled Christians?

It is a blatant lie that I made a crude sexual innuendo... this is why I did not and will not apologize. If you have a dirty mind and read into it something that was not intended, then that is not my problem.

Joking that someone got married and had kids is not a crude sexual innuendo...

chaotic_resolve 07-25-2007 04:54 PM

Hmmm . . . there's a nice dust storm wall coming into the PHX valley from the South and it just started raining . . .

I love Monsoon season!

Although, this means I'll have to clean the pool of debris and junk before I can go swimming later on . . .

:cowbell

stmatthew 07-25-2007 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chewy (Post 197264)
Back in the day, we gained and improved character by lying in the bed we made for ourselves and taking ownership of our actions.

More than the so called trend of folks hammering the ministry, I think the real problematic trend is that people just can't stand up and say they made a mistake and move on. There is waaaay too much pride flowing out there and I think the mentality that if we apologize to people that somehow our authority or reputation is being compromised, is all too alive and well.

Instead we/minstry are content to simply be satisfied with the perspective that, "I don't remember doing/saying that, you are wrong!"

This is exactly why people don't trust the people and the ministry anymore.

I have no problem saying this at all.

"THEY MADE A MISTAKE AND THEY NEED TO MOVE ON!!!"


:slaphappy

RevDWW 07-25-2007 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 196215)
I must have missed those threads, but as the Letter to Titus say, To the pure all things are pure......

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 196227)
revDWW,
could you share your understanding of the application the scripture you cited with the post from Hot Coffee?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hot Coffee Ms. (Post 197161)
Bump

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheltiedad (Post 197319)
It is a blatant lie that I made a crude sexual innuendo... this is why I did not and will not apologize. If you have a dirty mind and read into it something that was not intended, then that is not my problem.

Joking that someone got married and had kids is not a crude sexual innuendo...

If I'm reading something impure in someones writing, where the writer does not mean it to be impure, maybe it's time for a check up from the neck up.

JOYoftheLord 07-26-2007 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrsBOOMM (Post 195723)
You are exactly right my friend. I see this forum as going nowhere lately. I spent the afternoon grabbing lyrics to songs that I have been wanting from some of the threads. I do not see the point of reading the threads that seem to be popular now. The more someone can cut someone up the better they like it lately. It is either that or you got someone touting that they wore a two piece bikini and another poster of the opposite sex requesting pics. Where is this going? I thought this was supposed to be an Apostolic Forum. And yes I won't be surprised when I get the questions regarding that statement.
There are better things I could be doing with my time and I plan to persue those.


I agree Sister!

When I first came over here a few weeks ago....I thought it might be a pretty good place to visit with some nice Holyghost filled people of God. Oh my what a shock I've had! Granted there are a few people on here that know how to treat others with respect and I've appreciated their posts.

In my opinion the title of this forum should be changed. I'd be ashamed for any of my friends who don't know the Lord to read some of the garbage posted here.

I put on my flak jacket every time I come over to visit. I like to read the good quality posting...but there's always a smart alec who tries to ruin each good thread started.

tbpew 07-26-2007 03:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOYoftheLord (Post 198287)
I agree Sister!

When I first came over here a few weeks ago....I thought it might be a pretty good place to visit with some nice Holyghost filled people of God. Oh my what a shock I've had! Granted there are a few people on here that know how to treat others with respect and I've appreciated their posts.

In my opinion the title of this forum should be changed. I'd be ashamed for any of my friends who don't know the Lord to read some of the garbage posted here.

I put on my flak jacket every time I come over to visit. I like to read the good quality posting...but there's always a smart alec who tries to ruin each good thread started.

troubling
scathing
challenging

from someone who may not even have an agenda.

JOYoftheLord 07-26-2007 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 198292)
troubling
scathing
challenging

from someone who may not even have an agenda.

troubling?.............you're mighty right....most of what is posted here is

scathing?................ditto

challenging...............i don't challenge anyone.....i just speak my mind.........just like anybody else does


oh, and i don't need an agenda

chaotic_resolve 07-26-2007 09:02 PM

It's really simple . . .

If you're so upset with what's on AFF . . .











































DON'T LOG ON!!! Click the red X in the upper right corner and LEAVE . . .

Is it really that difficult? :hmmm

JOYoftheLord 07-27-2007 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 198628)
It's really simple . . .

If you're so upset with what's on AFF . . .


DON'T LOG ON!!! Click the red X in the upper right corner and LEAVE . . .

Is it really that difficult? :hmmm


:) But then I'd miss out on the really GOOD postings.

Though I thank you for your kind considerate suggestions. :)

OP_Carl 07-27-2007 04:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JOYoftheLord (Post 198287)
I agree Sister!

When I first came over here a few weeks ago....I thought it might be a pretty good place to visit with some nice Holyghost filled people of God. Oh my what a shock I've had! Granted there are a few people on here that know how to treat others with respect and I've appreciated their posts.

In my opinion the title of this forum should be changed. I'd be ashamed for any of my friends who don't know the Lord to read some of the garbage posted here.

I put on my flak jacket every time I come over to visit. I like to read the good quality posting...but there's always a smart alec who tries to ruin each good thread started.

Quote:

troubling
scathing
challenging

from someone who may not even have an agenda.
Joy,

As tbpew has already shown, your insights and reactions are accurate and cut quickly to the heart of the matter.

You can help raise the bar by simply conducting yourself as a Christian here. There are quite a few on here that set a good Godly example, and are careful with their words. Already you sound like you could be one.

When the teenagers are having a thrown-worm eating contest, it's a poor time to open one's mouth. It's also good to recognize that some use this forum as a place to blow off a little steam.


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