A poll for those who celebrate Christmas
 

This is a poll I'm starting to find out if I'm just ignorant or if some of you are just as ignorant as I am.

I've been accused of denying the oneness of God because in saying that I celebrate the birth of Christ but not the birth of God (because God cannot be born), then I'm separating God and Jesus, therefore denying Jesus is God.....

See, someone told me that celebrating God's birthday is contrary to oneness teaching. When I claiming that I didn't celebrate God's birthday, but Jesus' birthday, I was separating the two to make two gods, and denying oneness in the process.

So, I'm starting a poll for those who do celebrate as to what they believe......and to see exactly how many others 'deny oneness' as well.

I'm not here to debate Christmas, so if this thread goes that way, have at it without me.

This is a private poll.

Hey Rico ... Sounds like H.O. is inviting you back into the octagon.


I love Christmas.

Read the thread title again.

Rico doesn't celebrate, therefore, this thread isn't for him. :D

God revealed as the Son has a birthday. Can that be said?

That is what I would say too.

Is there some hidden meaning in the phrase 'Jesus is God'?

:blink

"Jesus is God" isn't saying the same thing?

Let's pretend that when I say 'Jesus', I'm referring to the Son of God. ;)

So far, four people agree with me. I'm shocked. :D

Would should be keeping Christmas everyday in our hearts.........

I shouldn't have put 'Christmas' in the thread, but didn't see any way around it. I think it's turning people off.....LOL!

This goes back to a convo Rico and I were involved in a few days ago in which he claimed that I denied the oneness of God by stating that God wasn't born but Jesus was, therefore separating God and Jesus in making that statement.

That, of course, is an untruth, and when revisiting the thread he referred to on another forum, I found that 17 other people agreed with me, while only 6 others differed for various reasons that weren't stated.

Because of my denial of the oneness of God, it's been stated that there is no room for my friendship in his life, which is sad, especially because that assumption is totally false.

So, I started this thread to show him that I was correct in saying what I did while believing oneness all the same, and made it private so he won't deny the friendships of those who will sound to him as if they are also denying oneness.

i think that poll is a trick poll, ho what are you up to, lol,dt

dont let anybody be the grinch ho, christmas is great, celebrate with all your heart, lol,dt:killinme

Look H.O. ...

you might be Oneness ... but everyone knows I'M MORE ONENESS THAN ALL OF Y'ALL.

Wasn't sure how to answer the poll, but here are my thoughts:

I don't think of Christmas as being God's "birthday". When I think of birthdays, I think of the celebration we have where on the anniversary of the day of one's birth, we celebrate that person getting another year older.

This analogy doesn't work with God, in my opinion. First we don't know the actual day that he was born, secondly he doesn't "age" every year, and we don't give him presents or bake him a cake.

So I do not think of Christmas as celebrating jesus' birthday. To me, Christmas is a time when to give special remembrance to the fact that God became flesh and dwelt among us.

Thats what I say....
Jesus is God manifest in flesh ...but Jesus Himself...the humanity has a birthday...his deity has not Bday...

This is a dumb thread.....obviously some here dont understand the Mighty God in Christ.

Debate? What debate?

your comments are rude and harsh be careful or you will get some threateining pms, lol, dt:noidea:killinme:killinme

This sounds more like a theological tangle than anything else. When people celebrate Christmas, they're not celebrating God's birthday, they're celebrating the birthday of God's son...the MAN Christ Jesus, who was born of Mary. Jesus is God in the flesh...but the flesh He came in is a man who was born at a particular place, at a particular time. To not understand the true (and complete) humanity of Jesus is nearly as big an error as not understanding the deity of Jesus.

Let me put it to you like this: God is a spirit...was Jesus only spirit? Was he not flesh as well?

No man has seen God at any time...so was Jesus invisible?

The point is not that Jesus is not God...the point is that Jesus was more than JUST God...he was a man as well.

Dan, do you fully understand the Mighty God in Christ?

LOLKOLOLOLOLOL TOUCET'''''''

This pretty much sums it up. The humanity of Jesus is not God, and thus has a beginning and an ending.

Dude ... you get it.

100% Humaity from Mary
100% Diety From God

Holy Ghost overshadowed Mary,,,therefore HG is a also the father.
John 4:24 ONE spirit.

Jesus was born of man and God...
NOT as a second person ....But as God manifest in the flesh.

Simple Explanation

that is a good man, down boy, lol, dt:Nhl_check:Nhl_check

MATTHEW!!!! Dont agree with me you will ruin my reputation of not "really" being Apostolic!!!!! LOL

Excellent explanation. Especially the last paragraph.

Some also don't understand that while Jesus and God are one and the same, when He was here on earth, there was a separation of sorts, and even Jesus noted those differences in the scriptures, because He understood that humanity cannot have the same virtues that diety does. This in no way separates Jesus from God, but Jesus Himself stated that there were things the Father knew that the Son did not. He wasn't denying His being God in saying so, but the understanding is clear to me as to what He meant.

RAPTURE ALERT!

Dan, surely it's a sign of the end times when the two of us agree on something. This is making me nervous, Bato!

Even Satan himself had some truth.


















DID I JUST SAY THAT!!!!!!!!!!:jaw








I DID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry Bro, I just could resist!!! The devil made me do it!! :slaphappy



Do I really need to put a j/k for you to know that I am?? :killinme

H1,

Some people go so far trying to prove the oneness of God that they end up denying the humanity of Jesus.

TOO FUNNY! :slaphappy

God was born in the flesh and his name is Jesus.

For unto us a Child is Born.

The flesh was birthed through a virgin. God entered the dimision of the flesh.

What about when we celebrate Easter? It's the death and resurrection.

First off, I celebrate Christmas, complete with tree, tensil, lights and sing Silent Night, Holy Night.

Secondly, Jesus did not exist before he was born into the world. When he was born into the world was his BEGINNING.

Further, Before His glorification there were TWO...

1. God, the eternal spirit

2. Jesus Christ, the man born of a woman. He did not preexist in ANY form.

Before the cross, there were two. Hence, when we say, "God WAS in Christ...we are speaking of his condition between birth and the cross.

Both Oneness have this bad habit of using the word WAS to almost exclusion of IS in refering to the Godhead. God WAS this and that. Jesus WAS this and the other...on and on. BIG mistake.

Since His glorification, you can NO LONGER speak of Jesus apart from speaking of God, except in the office of his redemptive SONSHIP which speaks of the lamb for sinners slain.

Neither can you speak of GOD in the present tense without speaking of JESUS...since He (Jesus) is now made ONE with the Father in glorification..."I go to the Father"...being GIVEN ALL POWER both in Heaven and in Earth.

For 33.5 years you could separate the two since they were then TWO different entities. NO LONGER. There are NOW (present tense) no longer two entities but are NOW ONE.

Any and all attempts to speak of Jesus in the present tense of what and who he WAS before the cross, fails to recognize the complete work of the cross and the plan of redemption of man...His Godhead and eternal power.

Jesus Christ the MAN is wholly, entirely and completely GOD without division, parts, separated or in anyway divided. He IS WHOLLY GOD. Let me put it another way.

God Almighty, the Alpha and Omega, the Eternal One, the Everlasting Father, Creator, the Mighty God is none but the MAN whom we call the Lord Jesus Christ...without division, parts, separated or in anyway divided. He is WHOLLY GOD.

Yes, I also sing Jingle Bells and "Here Comes Santa Clause" too. HO HO HO...and Mama kisses Santa Clause more than just on Christmas.

They speak of Jesus as being present when God said, "Let us make man in our image"...to whom was God referring?

BTW I love Santa kissin' Mama:roseglasses

Blessings, Rhoni

Jesus is God. He is a man. Jesus the man will never have an ending. Only Sonship (the redemptive OFFICE) will have an ending when all things are reconcilled (that will be reconcilled) in God. He then will surrender that redemptive office, that God will be all in all.

[QUOTE]Angels have always been present and accomodating in ALL of God's total plan, including creation.

:D

Jesus is God, and is with God at the same time. In this manner He did pre-exist