NEWSFLASH . . . UPC in Australia on Television!
 

I was speaking with a minister friend of mine about the television ad resolution, though mostly it was me ranting about UPC HQ's (and UC's) restricting the ability to put ads on tv instead of just allowing those who wanted to do it, to do it.

Won't rant again here . . . but for crying out loud, it's not like anyone's being forced to put ads on tv. :drama The way the UC's bellyache about the resolution, you'd think they were being hogtied and forced to do something they didn't want to do. NEWSFLASH UC's . . . you can continue to not advertise on tv even if this passes. The only thing that would change would be the freedom of choice!

Once again, UC's prove they want nothing to do with allowing freedom to choose. They want rules and regulations with no freedom to choose.

*grin* Back to the story . . .

So I'm talking with him and he drops a bombshell on me . . .

Am I the only one who didn't know that the UPC HQ has allowed the Australian UPC to use television as a means for evangelism!??! :sshhh

Not sure where this minister got the information, but he insists it's legit and from a minister in Australia who's been on television.

According to him, the UPC in Australia is autonomous and created their own constitution and bylaws, with one exception . . . they must allow HQ in St. Louis to approve changes. And apparently the AUPC requested that they be allowed to use tv for evangelism . . . and HQ approved it!

So why is HQ not allowing it here in the states?!? What's with this inconsistancy of allowing one country to use television, but banning it in the states? I don't remember reading this in the pro-ad section of the Forward. Was it there? Has it been addressed? If not, why not? Shouldn't the ministers here in the states be aware that our brothers in Australia have been using television for a while now, and that they've had good success with it?

Anyone know about this? I trust my friend, but can this be verified by others?

No comment.

I know that New Zealand broadcast Brother Stonekings rising from the dead
all over the place and the crowd to hear him speak was huge.

My understanding is that many of the "United Pentecostal Church" org.'s in foreign countries are completely independent legally from the UPCI in the United States.

For that reason I am surprised that they would even need permission from St. Louis to allow TV. I would have thought they would have their own articles of faith, manual, etc.

Oh c'mon, PP. Just tell us, have you known about this? Am I bringing up old news that's already been discussed? *grin*

There's supposedly a large UPC church in the Philippines that has been broadcasting their services for a while now. They never mention UPC on TV, and their church has a different name.

Hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

How many people would need to get saved in order to justify going on tv? If heaven rejoices over ONE SOUL that repents, what would heaven's opinion be of the church on tv if a few dozen end up getting saved, or a few hundred or a few thousand?

No one says the whole country will get saved as a result. But y'all act like if there are even meager results from televangelism, somehow heaven would look askance at the method.

How about giving us a break---vote yes on Res. #4 and I promise we'll leave you alone. Promise not to even make you watch tv on the cruise ship!

This was "breaking news" elsewhere today. I am surprised it made it here so fast.

:slaphappy

Hilarious.

Isn't it?

Comfortable on a cruise ship with gambling, dancing, drinking, mixed bathing and all manner of ungodliness (How many lines of the AOF does that violate?) - but don't you dare witness through that ungodly devil box!

It is hilarious, in a sad sort of way. :drama

:couch

Sorry, but it's the truth and Deacon is absolutely right.

Oh I agree and I think it's funny. :lol :lol

:sshhh I'm just hiding from the shots that are gonna be coming from the other side!!

So it is real? Where else did you see this today?

What's with the quote marks around the breaking news . . . is this actually old news?

I just can't understand why the UPC HQ in St. Louis would approve it for Australia, but not for the states.

Shouldn't we be used to inconsistencies by now?

Now you know good and well that they stay in their cabin reading books except when eating!

BTW - Last summer on my 8 day transatlantic cruise I did not go to one single movie in the theater nor did I go swimming!!! (I meant to but I just never got around to it - too busy with the other live entertainment shows, etc)

If this minister checks out .... I think he should speak on the floor right after Anthony Mangun.

i have heard this for a while now...But have not been able to confirm...(NOW THERES A SHOCKER!!!!)LOLOLOL

I love you...I do...BUT if 1 soul is won...its worth it!

Your smarter than this post.

:tissue:jaw:couch:diggin

Same reason the mission field is our biggest constituency!!!!!
UPC USA holds the homeland hostage.....IF they would do things like they allow missionaries to do......then just sit back and ride the wave.

Apparently there's a minister in Australia has recently spoken pretty openly about the use of television there, and the HQ's approval to do so. Not sure where this was discussed, I've seen his webpage and there's nothing on that about television. I received the info from a friend of mine.

:hmmm Interesting. Begs the question, what are missionaries allowed to do that wouldn't be allowed here in the states? And, besides the prohibition on television, in what other ways is the UPCI HQ here in the states holding us hostage?

TV isn't an end all answer, it's just another way to get the message out if you're into advertising. What's the fuss all about? :roseglasses

Maybe Tracts are an end all answer....maybe internet is an end all answer...Maybe Radio is an end all answer....or maybe we need to end all the dumb arguments and just use whatever means is available and use them appropriately

I agree. I mean if we believe in out-dated concepts like consistency and all.

Is it true that the UPC Aussies end their telecast with a closeup shot of the Pastor looking earnestly into the camera and saying "G'day mate and put another shrimp on the Barbie!!!!"????????????????

Christ Church has about 3,000 members with NO television program HOW?????

For one thing they tend to fellowship with other ministers from other churches more freely. Our best friends in Hong Kong were independent Pentecostals and Southern Baptists.

Word of Mouth!!!! Not only no TV but hidden away on a hill where it can barely be seen and when it is it looks like a convention center.

(I had to resist answsering "compromise!" as I knew you would get a kick out of that)

Mike Hayes has 20,000 at Covenant Church in Carrollton, TX, but he has to have TV to keep em'. ROTFL

But in all honesty since Christ Church is liberal it would seen natural they would have a television program but Pastor Hardwick built this mega church without it.

Yup. What little video we do in house for image magnification is not very good. It is probably the weakest media link at Christ Church.

CC does great on publications, presentations, conferences, plays, etc but video is another story. Very sad and disturbing for me with my background in television production.

Keeping you humble.:killinme

It helps that Nashville is the Hollywood of Christian music . . .