Are there any conservative PCI believers out there?
 

Just wondering if there are preachers and saints that believe the PCI doctrine over the PAJC doctrine that hold strong standards?

I know there are at least a handful on this forum .... but if they are UPCI they will not own up to it CB ...for obvious reasons ...

Define "strong".

Charlie, I don't know of any preacher who doesn't have standards of some sort...do you?!

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You folks know what I am saying. Are there PCI believers that hold to the dress code?

I do understand what you are saying, Daniel, but I thought it would be interesting to see if PCI believers still keep to the dress code standards.

Oh good grief everyone knows what is being asked. quit picking a fight.

CB, honestly I dont know any NOW that hold traditional old time standards.

I dont know any that hold much in the way of Standards at all. but I could be completely wrong.

Ferd I do not know any either?

Some keep them because of personal conviction ... difference being they are not caustic and would never say that standards is salvational.

Others keep standards because they want to be accepted by their circle of fellowship and would rather do so than be viewed as "Charismatic".

WHO?????????????????????

Perhaps CB does and wants to "root" them out?

They exist SE ... but would hate to return to the label of being "weak on the message".

I honestly am not trying to pick a fight. This thread is for statistical purposes only. :D

May I ask a question without someone making fun of me. LOL

What is PCI and PAJC. I haven't ever heard of this before.

Define them. Which ones?

He wasn't saying YOU were picking a fight, Charles...

I only posted that way, Ferd, because there are folks who think that those who hold a different view on issues don't have ANY standards...not so.

Sorry...

Bro, I know you werent. someone else was.

R U Serious??

The Conservative Stand

1. No TV
2. No Make up
3. No Jewelry (including wedding rings)
4. No Pants on ladies, or skirts on men
5. No splits in skirts
6. Long Sleeved shirts (at least 3/4 length)
7. Uncut hair for women, short cut hair on men.
8. No Facial hair on men or women




I am sure the list could go on, and there may be slight variations on some of the above.

Notice CB and other cons have lumped TV w/ dress standards ... hilarious

Actually, I was just listing the known standards of conservatives, and not necessarily just the dress standards.

Did you get data you were seeking ...???

Are you serious CB? Do you know how few (relatively speaking) PAJCers keep all those? :killinme

All the conservative ones keep them. So are you saying there is no such thing as a conservative PCI believer?

No, I said the opposite in fact.

I would have listed the same and i am not a conservitive.

You may have stated this in another thread, but you have only asked questions to clarify (or were you just stringing me along :)).

The 2 groups that merged into the UPCI in the mid 40's

PCI = Pentecostal Churches Inc - They held that one was saved at repentance, went on and was baptized in Jesus name, and received the holy ghost.


PAJC = Pentecostal Assemblies of Jesus Christ - They held that one was not saved until repentance, baptism in Jesus name, and receiving of the holyghost happened in a persons life.

I was making the point by asking the questions Charlie. Sheesh. Don't you understand the word "subtle"? ;) :D

The merger created strength, unity in purpose and success. The tearing at that has created the opposite.

:aaa That's scury right thur!

I consider myself conservative.

I don't consider myself PAJC or PCI. I am simply a Bible believing Pentecostal. The liberal or conservative tags are relative terms that others tend to tag others with. I tend to emphasize the teachings of Jesus and the Apostle Paul, so I suppose that makes me a liberal in the eyes of some. :)

Liberal as in bountiful, generous, openhearted, openhanded, giving, charitable, magnamious, bighearted, ungrudging, unselfish, fair, unprejudiced, tolerant?!

Would that we could all be such labeled, Elder...:)

I know some.

I also know some trinity pentecostal that do.

Amen

I agree that in many ways you are...

Is this your stand?

Is this YOUR stand?

I agree. My own father-in-the-gospel was from the PCI tradition and they all were considered "very strong" on standards.

His wife's family was PCI/PAW and some of the women wore slacks when doing out of doors things like hiking, etc. She changed (at least outwardly) sometime in the late 1950's or early 1960's and hasn't looked back.

Today they have a reputation for being in the "ultra" crowd when it comes to standards, - but still from the PCI tradition on theological matters.

I am wondering why you are asking, but will be polite and answer.

BOOMM, you must first recognize that this is not written in tablets of stone and is JUST my opinion.

The items listed as being the conservative stand are just one man's opinion of the conservative view.

For example, when I first signed onto FCF, after understanding folks were being labeled, I considered myself an utra con, not realizing what many under that banner believed.

So I said that I must be conservative, until the day that CC1 informed me I was NOT conservative because we had television (it is something that has not been taught against in our church from day one). When CC said that, I cried like a new born baby..."How could he say such a thing?!"

But he was right...I am not a con...I am a mod, IMO...

Anyway, I have gone the long way around to answer your question...

1. No TV

As I said, we have always had TV

2. No Make up

I do not wear makeup, but I do not ........ those to yon lower regions who do

3. No Jewelry (including wedding rings)

I wear a watch and do not wear jewelry, but do not condemn those who do

4. No Pants on ladies, or skirts on men

I do not wear pants, but do not condemn others

5. No splits in skirts

There are splits that are convenient/necessary as in a kick split. A split that is immodestly up the thigh...no I do not

6. Long Sleeved shirts (at least 3/4 length)

No I do not wear long sleeves 24/7

7. Uncut hair for women, short cut hair on men.

I do not cut my hair, but will not condemn those who do

8. No Facial hair on men or women

This one is funny...no I do not have a beard!! I do not see Scripture for it being wrong for a man to have facial hair

So no...I am not conservative by this list here, though the dictionary lists moderate as a meaning for conservative...interesting.