What If You Had Been Born Hitler???
 

How many of you believe that you are a more worthy candidate for salvation than Hitler was?

Bear in mind that, unlike Hitler, none of us here have the power of a modern state at our disposal, so the amount of harm we can do is in that sense limited by the grace of God.

If we get angry with someone in this forum, for example, we might say something nasty, but we are in no position to send the Gestapo after the person who offends us. Nor are we in a position, such as Hitler was, where our own weaknesses and prejudices can easily be transformed into political terror. The same weaknesses and prejudices may in fact be there, but we do not have available to us the same means of expressing them that Hitler had available to him.

"Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely," said Lord Acton. But few of us have experienced even the temptations of political power, much less the temptations of "absolute" tyrannical power.

So how many here are utterly confident that in Hitler's precise circumstances you would have come off any better than he did?

Just wondering.

By: T. Talbott

What If You Had Been Born Hilter???

If I had been born Hitler, than I would have been Hitler, and it would have all been the same. (no attacking Russia though, that was dumb).

Hitler was a sinner in need of a Savior. Just like me. Like me he needed to be reborn and surrender his life to Jesus Christ. The atrocities he committed were the results of unbelief in the same way my past sins were a result of my unbelief. I often think of David and King Saul. David committed adultery, he was responsible for the death of another human being, yet, he found a place of repentance. King Saul, on the other hand, offended God by "modifying" His command, by not fulfilling God's command to the letter. Yet, we find that Saul never did return to the Lord and, in fact died for his wrong. In my human reasoning, it seems Davids sin was much worse, yet God forgave David. And, again, with human reasoning, my sins pale in comparison to those of Hitler. But, maybe I don't see things the way God does. Sin is sin in God's eyes. So, really, is there a real difference between us and Hitler? Yeah, there is. God extended His grace and mercy to us and we submitted to Him. Hitler didn't. And thats the only difference between me and Mr. Hitler.

I guess at Judgement day the Lord God would say off to hell you devil..

do you say that about other peoples' souls as well???

The passage come to me "avoid foolish questions."

If I was born Hitler..... I'd have almost obliterated some jews...

what is the point of this thread?

I think the point is ... was Hitler savable.

Not until the sum of their acts are laid to rest. If we can suggest a person has made their salvation election sure at a funeral. We can suggest a man as Hitler will be hitting the bluist portion of Eternity's flames.

I am only a sinner saved by Grace and by the acceptace that their is a God.

Hitler on the other hand thought of himself as God.

Thank God for Roosevelt and Churchill...

The question was answered by Hitler himself.

He choose by free will not to accept God in anyway.

The weird thing one of his Grandmothers was 1/4 Jew from one of her Grand parents.

He was thought to have found this out within the last months of his life...

Even God knew he was a natural disaster, He was born with one testicle...

If he would have been a wilderbeast in Africa the Lions would have eaten him first...

God 'knew'? He's the One Who is creator!

Was Pharaoh saveable?? :)

And now... from our Baptist friends...




J
Everyone is savable, if "savable" is a word.

Hiltler was a pansy.

If I was born Hitler? That is like saying "Jesus could have sinned or He could not have." He didn't . I wasn't the rest is just worthless dribble.

Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913)

Savable \Sav"a*ble\, a. [From Save. Cf. Salvable.]
Capable of, or admitting of, being saved.

In the person prayed for there ought to be the great
disposition of being in a savable condition. --Jer.
Taylor.

is the Good News still the Good News??

My grandfather knew a man, who knew hitler. He claims he did not like him. He worked as one of the cooks for the german high commands.

Salvation is not based on our own worthiness. It's based on God's grace by faith, paid for by the blood of the Son

Amen.

All have sinned and short of the glory of God.Hitler needed a saviour,he wasn't borned again.I don't think anyone gets a second chance after death.
The wages of sin is death.Damnation is final.

The point of this thread is simply, in the context of Hilter's life, did he really have a reasonable opportunity to come to true faith?

If you compare your life context to this guy, didn't you have a tremendous advantage, a much better probability of coming to salvation?

How would you have fared if you had been born into a much different home, that of white racist parents, or suffered all kinds of physical and sexual abuse as a child, or had been exposed to the same forces that shaped Hitler's personality? I have no confidence that I would have turned out any better than he did.

Last, I have every confidence that the difference between Hitler and me is NOT a simple matter of my having made better free choices than he did.

I believe in free will only within the context of our lives, but more so I accept the Pauline assertion that our destiny "depends not on human will or exertion, but on God who shows mercy" (Romans 9.16). Yet I am not a Calvinists.

Source: T. Talbott http:// www.willamette.edu

How can someone who dies lost be purged and then join the redeemed?

You are mistaken most Baptists do not believe everyone is savable. Most are Calvinists, who believe the majority of human beings "the unelected" were actually born for damnation. And that others "the election" are born for redemption. At the very least that is the sum total.

However, that is not the subject of this thread.

I don't care about being born Hitler, I am just trying to make sure I don't end up like he did.

So, you actually feel good about a human (any human) being cast into actual literal fire endlessly?:ranting :ranting

Hitler needed more chocolate in his diet. He really did.... And then he should have shared it. They have kosher chocolate. He could have shared that with his enemies...Not wait , he was the enemy. Hmm. Oh well, Can I have a truffle now? Or did I have to answer this in a profound manner? Truffle now, please!!:killinme

This is a very valid consideration, truth is most of us given the same circumstances would not have fared any better.

Will Hitler receive consideration for the awful circumstances in which he was bred and nurtured?

Please, don't consider this in any way a defense of the man's behavior, it is not.

Your humor is welcome, so you feel Chocolate would have help the man?

Bro. Scott, what of those that don't get even a first "chance"?? Surely you don't believe the fable that all men receive a reasonable opportunity in this physical life.

:killinme Maybe some chocolate exlax!!!!!:killinme

I have to agree with Bro. Epley on this one: Silly Question.

It has nothing to do with worthiness. None of us are more worthy than any other, regardless of the specifics of our little sins and big sins.

Personal choice is what leads one person to salvation and another to damnation.

Now, I wish I could say that I wouldn't wish hell on anyone, but ya know, to be honest, if someone hurt my kids, I'm not sure I wouldn't hope for it, maybe just for a moment. I guess I'm just not quite that perfect yet. The Lord will have to help me with that. :praying

It's hard for me to feel any sympathy toward someone who killed hundreds of thousands of people for no reason other than his own evil gratification, but I'm sure that God would have mercy on him if he had chosen to repent. You'll just have to excuse me if I have my doubts.

I find it odd that when any disparaging word is spoken about historical figures like Hitler or Saddam or Other Evil Dictators, it's automatically translated into a "I don't care about souls" mentality. I say: Spend your time more productively winning the souls who are lost now, that you actually have the opportunity to lead in the right direction. Hitler's fate has already been decided one way or the other, and what I think about him doesn't change it, no matter which way he went.

That is so very true. Likewise, as by Adam's sin our condemnation was not based on our personal sin (unworthiness).

If anyone deserves "endless torment" Hilter would be on the list, however I do not know the circumstances of Hitler's fears and distorted mind, so I cannot say that he killed "for no reason other that his own evil gratification".
And that is the point of the discussion, how can we adequately minister if we lack understand, this is a very valid discussion.

Of course, if you already know it all, there is no reason to participate, not you rather Bro. Steve.:heeheehee :heeheehee

Well, I can say it, because that's my firm opinion, and being straightforward works for me. :bliss

Oh, but it's fun to point out what a silly question you have posed. :heeheehee

This has to be one of the silliest threads I have read.

Bro Epley, I 'll give ya some chocolate to chew on while we laugh at this thread! I too find it silly!

Now Bro. Scott I know what you are digging at, but that is not the subject of this thread. Just trying to lay some ground work.:ty

However, would you deny that it is God's will to save all the folks He created? Do you really believe He will let "that man" or humans supposed freewill hinder His ultimate intentions. Does He lack the power? Does He lack the will?

Your question is an easy one to answer, the unfathomable,incomparable, irresistible, and inescapable LOVE of God?

If I was born Hitler I would be a Nazi and hate Jews!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What is the point????????????? I would also be judgment bound the suicide would not be the end of my troubles. God will settle His scores at the White Throne. Hitler will be there and his henchmen won't be abl to help him. And A Jew the one known as the carpenter's son will judge him.

Are you sure ya don't want any chocolate? I have truffles, cookies, sliced cake, choc cheese cake.