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Interesting reports....
Just received a few phone calls today concerning Ohio Campmeeting....
Greg Godwin made his PRO tv advertising very very clear... Four very prolific and respected ministers (Pastors) AM,RJ, MW and JA are going to be very bold on the conference floor in Favor of the Resolution. And the biggest was Rev. Harry Scism told a ministers meeting today that the reason they are so successfull on the foreign missions field are because they have very open relationships with the trinitarian churches. He said they have very close fellowship with them and as a result have seen many churches rebaptized in Jesus Name. He added that the only way to reach North America is to start reaching out, be friending and even fellowshipping with the Trinitarians. This dear man is highly respected and I know his words will carry alot of weight at this coming conference. anyways.......there you have it. |
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It has always been my belief that we ought to be preaching in trinitarian churchs as often as they'll let us. We should be taking triny pastors to lunch, we should be sharing the great things Jesus is doing for us and what power and authority is in His Name.........Folks can understand they need to baptized in Jesus name without knowing all the hermeneutics and homiletics of the God Head....
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Oddly enough it didn't take long for us to 'go' from 'we ought to be on tv' to 'we need to fellowship trinitarians'. I personally don't think I'd use that as 'advertisement' if you want the tv mess to pass.
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It will take boldness for this resolution to pass.
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Matt 11:19 (KJV) 19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children. |
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I personally preach a strong difference in 'friendship' and 'fellowship'. Friendship can do a lot of things. I, myself, preach in COGIC pulpits, Baptist pulpits... all kinds of pulpits. I am their 'friend'. I eat lunch with them and buy their dinner. But I don't 'fellowship' them... I don't put myself in a position to allow false doctrine a foothold in my mind or heart.
They are doctrinally wrong and I see no biblical way they are right with God. Having said that, it makes me no less their friend. Dan, ole boy, I'm not isolated in any way. But neither am I deceived into thinking that they can be spiritually right if they are doctrinally wrong. |
As one who has been privileged to re-baptize hundreds of trinitarians in Jesus name, (many of them Pastors) I fear that this "fellowshipping" is going to cause many problems. Most do not understand how to properly "fellowship" trinitarians.
We cannot allow them to preach for us, and we cannot give authenticity to their doctrine by offering acceptance. You cannot win someone to your God, if they feel theirs is equal. At the same time we must be willing to open doors of friendship to win them. |
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Friendship or fellowship with those who believe differently than we do or who are in error or just plain "lost" isn't a guarantee that we will win them.
But .... we have won people be being a friend and fellowshipping with them. |
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We used to have fellowships at the church and invite those that did not attend our church and I can't recall them every being invited into the pulpit...but then again we held our pot luck fellowships in the basement.....:toofunny:toofunny:lol:lol |
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I think what Bro. Scism is saying is we need to be more open and less closed minded... Plus...you cannot be more wrong.....we dont have tv yet.....and we have fellowshipped with trinitarians for years on the foreign mission front. So it did not digress...... It was two separate examples of two separate issues. Bro. Dan |
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Didn't those same men say they were going to speak for the resolution last year? And at Salt Lake?
I will believe it when I see it. Talk is cheap. |
And the next thing we need to do is for sure not tell them the truth.....WOW think of how many we could win if we told em that they didnt have to have the Holy Ghost......
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And then think of how many more we could win if we told them that they didnt have to be baptized in Jesus Name..............
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Bet we could win more if we told em that they didnt need to repent either..........
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One of the BIGGEST things that will happen is that there are MANY that will listen to the voice of AM, Ja, MW and RJ and will be more apt to vote if they know the standing of those they respect and mentor. Remember....BOTT is THE most attended Ministers Only conference in the entire UPCI. It is no mistake that it is lead by the names I mentioned. IF it were a Western GC I would see the difference...but its not...its a eastern GC. For votes...it is well known that geography makes a huge difference. |
NYLP, I asked someone who was there, and they did not hear quite the same message you did.
Carry On. |
Shoot while we are throwing away things.........think of how many we could win if we told em that they didnt even have to go to church............
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Hey, ya'll... take it for what it's worth but I have to say this one more time; if you really want this tv thing to fall through just start promoting that whole 'let's fellowship trinitarians' thing! I think it's a GREAT strategy!
I do believe that there are some that want TV advertising for the right reason and even THEY don't think we ought to jump in bed with the trinitarians! |
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I dont think ANYBODY here thinks that...they must be told of the ONLY saving message......We would not be the church if we didnt. I for one think I can fellowship with them in a strong friendship way and not be swayed by their thinking yet have a chance to win them by starting with a friendship. I agree with steadfast on this one....not fellowship as in acceptance of their doctrine...but fellowship on a basis of friendship...THAT I am all for. |
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My source tells me that a certain preacher did not mention TV, and infact was preaching AGAINST it's use.... :telephone |
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Sure seemed to last year when the vote was in the District in which the Resolution was authored. :killinme |
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They were just relaying what was said at Ohio Camp. |
Granted, I think we need more APOSTOLICS that are friendly to EVERYONE. Some people evidently get their bitter spirit at the same store they get their long skirts... and that's shameful. However, that is a FAR, FAR cry from saying, "Hey, come on and fellowship with us and we'll act like we're all saved in spite of the fact that our doctrines are ten million miles apart."
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ok...they got their commitee...we will just sit back and watch. Pass or Not...It does not affect me. By the way....when you gonna get me that inventory?? |
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