Would you attend a church that did not require tithes?
 

Would attend an "apostolic" church that did not require or teach tithing?

What if the Pastor was a wealthy business man and financed it all?

I'd attend perhaps depending on what kind of church it was and what the pastor believed and taught ......... but I'd still give a tenth.

No it would NOT be an Apostolic church.

:sshhhWhy would it not be Apostolic.

Jesus name, one God Acts 2:38 etc.... men wear shorts, women wear pants.

Wealthy Pastor that just doesn't need any tithes or offerings. Too him it's not necessary.

To be Apostolic it must continue in the Apostle's doctrine and the teachings of Jesus. Since tithing was taught by Jesus and the Apostles a church that does not teach tithing is NOT an Apostolic church.

Nice! Spoken like a man that keeps all the tithe! :poloroid Just Kidding Elder! You are a good man, just messing.

We have been through this. Jesus did not teach tithes, nor did the Apostles.

There is no recording of the early church doing so.

Tithing is Not apostolic.

Tithing is an old testament Law. And tithing was mostly Food.

Yes we have been through this and BOTH Jesus and the Apostles taught and practiced tithing.

It was an agricultural society mostlty pay the light company a bushel of corn or buy your gas with a sack of tomatoes.

perhaps a better question... would I attend if a church did require tithes?

Jesus did not teach tithes.


Hebrews 7 (King James Version)
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Hebrews 7
1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;

2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;

3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

4Now consider how great this man was, unto whom even the patriarch Abraham gave the tenth of the spoils.

5And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:

6But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.

7And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

8And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.

9And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.

10For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

11If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

12For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
13For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.

14For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.

15And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
16Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

17For he testifieth, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

18For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof.

19For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

20And inasmuch as not without an oath he was made priest:

21(For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec:)

22By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament.

23And they truly were many priests, because they were not suffered to continue by reason of death:

24But this man, because he continueth ever, hath an unchangeable priesthood.

25Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

26For such an high priest became us, who is holy, harmless, undefiled, separate from sinners, and made higher than the heavens;

27Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.
28For the law maketh men high priests which have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which was since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.

I was searching and can not find it.

I found these verses.

Looks like most of the tithe payers in the New Testiment were Hypo-crites.

I can not find a requirement.

verse 8 HERE NOT THERE but HERE men recieve tithes that die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HERE is the Church Age!
THERE is before the law with Abraham and Melchizedec
ALSO is during the law. v. 8-9!

Jesus is a High Priest after the order of Melchizedec which is an UNCHANGABLE priesthood. The ministry are in His stead.

Mat 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier [matters] of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Sounds to me like Jesus is saying that they should pay tithe, but not neglect the rest of living for God.

They prayed and fasted ALSO so does that mean folks who pray are hypo-crites?????????????????????????????

CORRECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Jesus said you OUGHT to and Coop says you ought NOT to who lied??:killinme

He said that because they were Hypocrites of the law.

And at that moment the Old Law was not yet fulfilled at the cross.

He could have very well said, You OUGHT to offer up Blood sacrifice.

Jesus did not teach Tithes to his followers.

He only spoke of tithes to Hypocrites.

:driving I am right,.....yes I am right!:driving

He said not appear to fast as the preist that like to walk through the market with their robes inlarged.

They where all show.

Get it?:telephone

Do you keep the Sabbath?

:telephone:telephone:telephone:telephone

I would!:driving

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This is an interesting thread! I personally know of a pastor who was independently wealthy and refused to take a salary (from the tithes) from his congregation. One day the church treasurer came up to him and handed him a check from the church, he looked at it and questioned her as to what it was for. She responded that he was hindering the churches blessing by not accepting an offering from them. She stated that the Word of God talked about the blessings associated with taking care of the man of God, and that he was cutting off their blessings.

He began accepting the small offering that they were giving to him, and immediately the church began to prosper in every way. New souls were added, the churches finances grew miraculously, (even were able to pay off their 15 year mortgage within a couple of years), the overall physical health of the members was better etc.

Why would someone not want to support a pastor through tithing?

In answer to the original question; would I attend a church that did not teach tithing? No because I would not want to attend a church where the blessings of God were absent or diminished because of disobedience.

Read the verse again. He states that they paid tithe, but did not follow the major aspects of the Law, or judgment, mercy and faith. This encompasses much more than just the Law. It has to do with mercy and faith also.

First off it is not a command to be considered dis-obedience.

Give and you will be blessed yes.

But not required if you do not tithe.

I did did not say the Pastor should refuse any one giving.

sure would, better then one that requires it as a commandment.

Jesus was rebuking the stubborn, thick headed, hypocritical Priest that loved to twist the law for their own glory and benefit.

Jesus did not ever teach tithes........ever.

wrong, no where was tithes taught by Jesus and the apostles, absolutely no where.

practiced tithing?? scripture please.

I realize there are other threads that address this issue, however, are you suggesting that just because you see it as an OT commandment that it has no relevance in the NT Church? In other words are you one who believes that the OT was done away with when Jesus Christ came so nothing in the OT is applicable today?

Heb 7:8

8 Furthermore, here [in the Levitical priesthood] tithes are received by men who are subject to death; while there [in the case of Melchizedek], they are received by one of whom it is testified that he lives [perpetually].
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'here men receive tithes" was refering to the levitical preisthood.

Who was Jesus speaking to in that scripture?

I don't care how wealthy the pastor is, he can choose to receive nothing, that is his choice, but Jesus affirmed tithing and ADDED what had been neglected.

Yes, I pastor.

No, I do not receive the tithe, and couldn't tell you who pays tithe. But there is meat in my Father's house because of the tithe. I do not furnish all the meat, so I cannot keep all the tithe.

Whenever we vote on something, which we do, BTW, the ballot always states:
"By casting my vote, I am stating that I am a faithful member of....."

Membership is outlined when people wish to join, with what they can expect out of the church, and what the church expects out of them.

Seems to be working pretty well.

Furthermore, I do not know of a single church where the pastor does keep all the tithe, UPC, ALJC, or any other.

When Jesus said "ye ought pay tithes" who was he speaking to?

You still are missing it. Yes, Jesus was upbraiding them. But he plainly was not just telling them that they should follow the law, as he added that they should follow Judgment, Mercy, and faith also. He stated very plainly that they Ought (Greek meaning necessary) to pay tithe also, but not forget to do everything else they were supposed to do. Tithing is not a Law for us. It is a Grace.

Do you keep Sabbath as they did in the Old and New Testy?

What about the Pass over? Jesus did it with his 12.

I am hitting it on the Bulls eye.


And right, Tithe is not a law.

Do we still circumcise which was law?

To preach and teach tithes is a command and one is robbing God if he doesn't pay is a false doctrine.

Along with this doctrine is the teaching of curses that comes from God if you do not tithe.

A local Pastor in Amarillo over the pulpit spoke that you might be sick because you did not tithe.

Matt 23:23

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
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Matt 23:23

23 Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, pretenders (hypocrites)! For you give a tenth of your mint and dill and cummin, and have neglected and omitted the weightier (more important) matters of the Law — right and justice and mercy and fidelity. These you ought [particularly] to have done, without neglecting the others.
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Notice that Jesus himself refered to tithes as a matter of the law?? he just stating there were MORE WEIGHTIER MATTERS OF THE LAW they were leaving undone.

So is homosexuality still a sin, stealing, murder, etc since they were sins under the law?

I tell you what, fellas.

Do whatever you want to do, eternity will sort it out.