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Steve Epley 08-10-2007 08:57 PM

Elder Ensey's article about tv advertizing
 
I just got my magazine from him today he addressed this situation extensively in his magazine. It was quite good I think.

TalkLady 08-10-2007 09:25 PM

Give us a summary of what he wrote.

Sacerdotal 08-10-2007 09:35 PM

I'm interested in it. Where is the link?

chaotic_resolve 08-11-2007 01:58 AM

He's agin it! I've read his anti-tv articles before.

Brother Strange 08-11-2007 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by chaotic_resolve (Post 212795)
He's agin it! I've read his anti-tv articles before.

Surprise! Surprise!

Steve Epley 08-11-2007 08:13 AM

Elder Ensey's website is: advanceministries.org
The article is in the Fall edition it is very good.

jwharv 08-11-2007 10:06 AM

http://www.advanceministries.org/art...evangelism.htm

Is this the article?

chaotic_resolve 08-11-2007 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by jwharv (Post 212852)

Not unless it's a reprint. I read the linked article over a year ago.

JOYoftheLord 08-11-2007 11:58 AM

I thank God everyday for men of God like Bro J R Ensey!!! :):):)

Yes, the article was very well written....as all he writes is!

Steve Epley 08-11-2007 12:29 PM

It does not look the same to me?

Sam 08-11-2007 01:20 PM

The magazine is 32 pages. It is called The Apostolic Christian's Library Builder and Inspirational Journal. I received a copy today. I guess I've purchased books from him before.
The tv article starts on page 1, continues on pages 4-7, then page 13, and finishes up on page 18.

I noticed that he is offering a special (page 30) on the three Verbal Bean Books: Prayer; Works of the Holy Ghost; and Battlefield. The special price is $22.95 for all three vs. the regular price of $25.85.
They can be ordered online at http://www.advanceministries.org/
The phone number is 1-936-856-3419 with office hours of 8:30-4:30 Monday thru Friday (whatever time zone Willis, TX is in) for credit card orders.
A fax number of 1-936-856-8433 is given for orders and also an email address of jnz@shawus.com.
For customer service or assistance call 1-936-856-3419

There are also articles that can be read online at
http://www.advanceministries.org/

Whole Hearted 08-11-2007 03:53 PM

I have read the article and it is very good. God bless our good Elder.

triumphant1 08-11-2007 05:48 PM

Humm...I didn't get the Apostolic Liebrary Teardowner Propaganda Magazine this time...

I guess JRE finally realized I was't interested in reading his drivel....:slaphappy

tv1a 08-11-2007 06:16 PM

tv advertising worked for me.

IAintMovin 08-11-2007 07:57 PM

JRE is a great man, is a great father and wonderful grandfather to good men of God.............

Sister Alvear 08-11-2007 08:30 PM

I think whether we agree or disagree we do not have to say hard things. Choose the high road! Be kind and be careful.

triumphant1 08-11-2007 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 213104)
JRE is a great man, is a great father and wonderful grandfather to good men of God..... I think it is very poor taste that you would say this about any Man of God..........it saddens me........

I am sorry 'bout making you sad....

You guys say things about men I consider great men of God all the time and you expect me just to take it....for instance there is a thread right now that has terrible remarks by Coonskinner about TD Jakes and Rod Parsley....

How does it feel?

Thanks for taking the bait....

triumphant1 08-11-2007 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett Prince (Post 213086)
Hmmmm....

Nice way of insulting a man who is not here to defend himself.

Rod Parsley and TD Jakes are not here as well...

Where is your outrage there?

triumphant1 08-11-2007 08:36 PM

Look, I'm just glad to be off the JRE mailing list and wanted to share....

triumphant1 08-11-2007 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 213132)
I think whether we agree or disagree we do not have to say hard things. Choose the high road! Be kind and be careful.

Sis I agree with you...

But sometimes the high road is the one that points out prejudice...even when it hurts. I was hoping for a response, and I got it!

I really am sorry if I have offended you though!!

Sister Alvear 08-11-2007 08:40 PM

No, I was just thinking what people that love him would feel and I do understand where you are coming from. The rule Jesus gave us holds true...Love...
Blessings to you,my friend.

triumphant1 08-11-2007 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Admin (Post 213156)
Triumphant1, please change this post and remove the negative remarks about a minister, this post has been reported. Please be advised that if you refuse we will do it for you and will take further action.

If you will edit it then that will be the end of this matter.

Please refrain from making these kind of remarks about anyone as they are not welcome here.

Thanks in advance.

Admin

But of coarse...I sould have expected...what about this:

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Originally Posted by Coonskinner (Post 213057)
Guys like Parsely and Jakes have learned to say a lot without exactly saying anything flat our wrong, but at the same time not telling you the most important thing of all--how to be saved.


Sister Alvear 08-11-2007 08:44 PM

It takes a lot to offend me...I am a people lover. Many times our differences cause us to appreciate each other more.

IAintMovin 08-11-2007 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1 (Post 213145)
I am sorry 'bout making you sad....

You guys say things about men I consider great men of God all the time and you expect me just to take it....for instance there is a thread right now that has terrible remarks by Coonskinner about TD Jakes and Rod Parsley....

How does it feel?

Thanks for taking the bait....

One time you and I got into it and I laid into you pretty good.....I have felt very bad over that night many times........but I take issue with your "you guys" statement.....go find ONE time where I slammed these people you are talking about.....just once.....look long and look hard but it is not there.....if you feel that someone has slammed a minister or ministry, there is a report tool that can be used from any post.......But Bo, your YOU GUYS aint me..........

Sister Alvear 08-11-2007 08:47 PM

Let´s all pray for each other...love must melt our hearts together.

triumphant1 08-11-2007 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 213169)
One time you and I got into it and I laid into you pretty good.....I have felt very bad over that night many times........but I take issue with your "you guys" statement.....go find ONE time where I slammed these people you are talking about.....just once.....look long and look hard but it is not there.....if you feel that someone has slammed a minister or ministry, there is a report tool that can be used from any post.......But Bo, your YOU GUYS aint me..........

Ok so you guys ain't you...so let me say some of you guys...

Bottom line, there is a double standard here. I keeo getting this...Dont offend the cons stuff...well what about the remarks about Jakes especially?

IAintMovin 08-11-2007 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1 (Post 213177)
Ok so you guys ain't you...so let me say some of you guys...

Bottom line, there is a double standard here. I keeo getting this...Dont offend the cons stuff...well what about the remarks about Jakes especially?

The dont offend the Cons line is one that I have only seen you come up with........and I will be honest and say that I believe it is pretty evenly dished out around here, I dont bet, but if I did I would bet you anything that for every "lib" bad statement, I can find a "Con" bad statement....and so on and so on.........

triumphant1 08-11-2007 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by IAintMovin (Post 213190)
The dont offend the Cons line is one that I have only seen you come up with........and I will be honest and say that I believe it is pretty evenly dished out around here, I dont bet, but if I did I would bet you anything that for every "lib" bad statement, I can find a "Con" bad statement....and so on and so on.........

I tell you what, ask Jeannie and rgcraig about that.

Boom gave me an infraction because "I offended all cons on the forum"...he authored it, I only repeated my infraction from before

BoredOutOfMyMind 08-11-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1 (Post 213196)
I tell you what, ask Jeannie and rgcraig about that.

Boom gave me an infraction because "I offended all cons on the forum"...he authored it, I only repeated my infraction from before

You are welcome to take that up with me in PM.

Brett Prince 08-11-2007 09:34 PM

T1, I do not see a double standard. This is an Apostolic forum. We do not have the right to deride an Apostolic minister in the manner that you have done. We have, on the other hand, the right to defend whether or not there is salvation outside of Acts 2:38 with tongues. TD Jakes and Rod Parsley, in many posters' opinion, do not preach the Acts 2:38 with tongues message. This does not give these posters the right to same defaming things about them, save to state that they do not believe that they preach a message that brings the lost to become saved. However, issues of standards are matters that happen within the Apostolic community as a whole...that is with people who do preach Jesus Name baptism, the Oneness of the Godhead as opposed to the trinity, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with tongues--regardless of where they place salvation. We can refute another position, and we can state our differences, but we do not have to resort to name calling and labeling in such a way that we are making a mockery of another person's ministry, character, or good name. Nor should we do that with their church or place of ministry, be it a particular assembly, or the production of a magazine.

Regardless of whether they are Apostolic or not does not give us the right to call names or the like. To declare our beliefs as to whether they preach a saving message is certainly allowed.

And, T1, just because somebody else does it, liberal or conservative, I trust that this does mean that you would decide that it should be repeated by a person of integrity--and I am trusting that you are.

I value your comments. Thank you for adding to the discussion here. I only mean well. Peace, good sir.

triumphant1 08-11-2007 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Brett Prince (Post 213254)
T1, I do not see a double standard. This is an Apostolic forum. We do not have the right to deride an Apostolic minister in the manner that you have done. We have, on the other hand, the right to defend whether or not there is salvation outside of Acts 2:38 with tongues. TD Jakes and Rod Parsley, in many posters' opinion, do not preach the Acts 2:38 with tongues message. This does not give these posters the right to same defaming things about them, save to state that they do not believe that they preach a message that brings the lost to become saved. However, issues of standards are matters that happen within the Apostolic community as a whole...that is with people who do preach Jesus Name baptism, the Oneness of the Godhead as opposed to the trinity, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with tongues--regardless of where they place salvation. We can refute another position, and we can state our differences, but we do not have to resort to name calling and labeling in such a way that we are making a mockery of another person's ministry, character, or good name. Nor should we do that with their church or place of ministry, be it a particular assembly, or the production of a magazine.

Regardless of whether they are Apostolic or not does not give us the right to call names or the like. To declare our beliefs as to whether they preach a saving message is certainly allowed.

And, T1, just because somebody else does it, liberal or conservative, I trust that this does mean that you would decide that it should be repeated by a person of integrity--and I am trusting that you are.

I value your comments. Thank you for adding to the discussion here. I only mean well. Peace, good sir.

I receive what you say in the spirit in which was given.

Thanks.

I think I will lay low. Peace out!

IAintMovin 08-11-2007 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brett Prince (Post 213254)
T1, I do not see a double standard. This is an Apostolic forum. We do not have the right to deride an Apostolic minister in the manner that you have done. We have, on the other hand, the right to defend whether or not there is salvation outside of Acts 2:38 with tongues. TD Jakes and Rod Parsley, in many posters' opinion, do not preach the Acts 2:38 with tongues message. This does not give these posters the right to same defaming things about them, save to state that they do not believe that they preach a message that brings the lost to become saved. However, issues of standards are matters that happen within the Apostolic community as a whole...that is with people who do preach Jesus Name baptism, the Oneness of the Godhead as opposed to the trinity, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost with tongues--regardless of where they place salvation. We can refute another position, and we can state our differences, but we do not have to resort to name calling and labeling in such a way that we are making a mockery of another person's ministry, character, or good name. Nor should we do that with their church or place of ministry, be it a particular assembly, or the production of a magazine.

Regardless of whether they are Apostolic or not does not give us the right to call names or the like. To declare our beliefs as to whether they preach a saving message is certainly allowed.

And, T1, just because somebody else does it, liberal or conservative, I trust that this does mean that you would decide that it should be repeated by a person of integrity--and I am trusting that you are.

I value your comments. Thank you for adding to the discussion here. I only mean well. Peace, good sir.

Good post bro... if only the whole of the board understood this.......

Sister Alvear 08-11-2007 10:06 PM

We should do our best to live in peace.

retsambeW 08-11-2007 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1 (Post 213160)
But of coarse...I sould have expected...what about this:

What about it...it is true. No slam in there.

Praxeas 08-11-2007 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1 (Post 213160)
But of coarse...I sould have expected...what about this:

Triumph, if you think someone has broken the rules, report it, don't just expect the Admins to read every post. Also next time, if you have an issue with Admin decisions, or a question, take it to them in PM please.

thanks

Praxeas 08-11-2007 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by retsambeW (Post 213327)
What about it...it is true. No slam in there.

It's a huge difference between saying "I think what so and so teaches on such and such doctrine is in error" and name calling, mockery and accusations to the moral character of someone like saying they are liars.

triumphant1 08-11-2007 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retsambeW (Post 213327)
What about it...it is true. No slam in there.

Of coarse not.....

retsambeW 08-11-2007 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 213338)
It's a huge difference between saying "I think what so and so teaches on such and such doctrine is in error" and name calling, mockery and accusations to the moral character of someone like saying they are liars.

I agree, Prax. I don't see the connection between the offending post, and the one about Jakes. Looks like apples and oranges, to me.

triumphant1 08-11-2007 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Praxeas (Post 213338)
It's a huge difference between saying "I think what so and so teaches on such and such doctrine is in error" and name calling, mockery and accusations to the moral character of someone like saying they are liars.

I think what JRE teaches is wrong and that his Library Builder magazine is not as much about building libraries as it is about propagating his personal biases...

Is that better...or have I offended the conservatives again to the point of needing to edit?

retsambeW 08-11-2007 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by triumphant1 (Post 213339)
Of coarse not.....

Obviously, I can't, and would not try to speak for everyone on this board. But I am just a tad old fashioned in the ways of being Apostolic. I am not here to slam anyone, or be judgemental towards anyone. However, according to basic Apostolic Theology, in my belief, there is only one way to be saved. Now, I have visited Parsley's church. I have talked with some of his staff. He does not believe the gospel. Period. No slam involved, just stating facts.

In some folks way of thinking, I am too structured and unbending in my feeling about this. They have pointed this out to me in times past. However, I do not recall a time, whether at FCF or here, that anyone has ever slammed me for this. There is a difference, they stated the facts as they saw it without going after my character.


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