The Mother Harlot
 

Why couldn't it be both?

The RCC was definitely not the MOH...

First point... how can one play the harlot if one has not been married to the one in which you have played the harlot?

There were a few things said about Babylon the great...

Here is another reference similar to what you have pointed out... remember... Come OUT of her my people... so His people were IN her.

In her destruction God had avenged the apostles & prophets.

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In her... the mother of harlots... babylon the great... was found the blood of prophets, and of saints etc....

Now here is something interesting that Jesus had to say...

Who, indeed, was the mother of harlots and babylon the great?

Good post, Digging! I have never believed that the RCC has been nor ever will be the Harlot.

The RCC cannot be guilty of all the blood of the prophets. All the OT prophets were dead before it even came along.

And... Jesus said... "for it cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.".

This scripture is even more telling:

That's the thing about Revelation that has always bothered me. We always think the whole thing turns space age or something (spooky, wackpo, scary, and superstitious stuff). I just don't see it that way.

Ditto

A lot of interesting post here.

Something to think on. :)

The RCC can trace its roots all the way back to Peter, D4T, so I would say the Harlot could most certainly be the RCC.

When did Jerusalem rule over the nations of the world?????????????????

Wasn't she married to the King of the universe at one time? :winkgrin Wouldn't that make her a ruler also?

If it is Jerusalem remember what is said of her in Revelation 18:7: How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow.

Isreal NEVER has been a world power. The Mother of Harlots has been a world power. Isreal NEVER ruled over the nations NEVER!
She was conquered by Babylon and Assyria then controlled by the Medes & Persians then by the Grecian empire them by Rome. And can only exist today by our help. This theory that Jerusalem is the Mother of Harlots in Rev. 17 is absurd. WHO are the harlots pray tell????????????????
In chapter 18 she is the zenith of commerce????????????????

Interesting. Can you please tell me when the RCC achieved the status of a “world power”?

When you believe the false teaching of Preterism, you can twist scriptures any old kind of way to believe this old heresy that pops its ugly head up from time to time after losing all credibility among scholars. It is like a bad weed once cut down, t just keeps on sprouting back up again and again. In the last few years, once again it is sprouting up.

The truth is, the Mother of Harlots have absolutely nothing to with Jerusalem, who had already been rejected by Jesus before his death. The Harlot is the backslidden Apostolic church that eventually fell into spiritual fornication by adulterating the Word of God. Trinity is the number one and oldest product of just such harlotry or whoredom.

I was always taught that the Mother Harlot is the RCC.

I ask you these questions:
Did the kings of the earth commit fornication with Jerusalem or Rome?
Are the inhabitants of the earth drunk on thee wine of Jerusalem or Rome?
Is Jerusalem or Rome known as the scarlet color beast?
Is golden cup filled with abominations Jerusalem or Rome?
Is Jerusalem or Rome known for her purple & scarlet and jewels?
Who has the names of blasphemy Jerusalem or Rome?
MYSTERY BABYLON the GREAT which city mirrors Babylon Jerusalem or Rome?
Who is the Mother of Harlots Jerusalem or Rome?
Who martyred the saints through the ages NT times Jerusalem or Rome remember Jersualem was destroyed in 70 AD?
Who has 7 head & ten horns Jerusalem or Rome?
Who sets on the 7 mountains Jersualem or Rome?
Who was the great city who REIGNS over the kings of the earth Jerusalem or Rome?
Someone would have to have a very vivid imagination to make this Jerusalem but I am not discouraged I am sure there are plenty imaginations here.:killinme

Did you ever read European history???????????????????

Even in modern times both Mussilini and Hitler went to recieve a blessing.

Indeed! :D

Have no fear sir. These spiritual contortionist will have no trouble twisting scripture to make it fit their theories perfectly. Spiritual illusionist to be sure.

Sorry, I thought you said "WORLD" power, but evidently you meant "EUROPEAN" power. So with you limiting this area down, maybe Jerusalem did achieve the dominance the Bible describes? :driving

That was the world power at that time. Jersualem NEVER maintained that.

MOTHER of HARLOTS the RCC
Harlot daughters:
Lutherans
Anglicans
Greek Orthodox
Calvinists
Methodists
Baptists
etc.
MOTHER of ABOMINATIONS
the Triune God
Trinity baptism
Sprinkling
Infant baptism
Maryology
Praying to Saints
Confession
Lent
Easter
Xmas
Priesthood
Nuns
Rosary
Papal Infallibility
Apostolic Succession
Episcopal Church Government
Transubstation Euchrist

You're joking, right? You can't see how the RCC is a world power?

What planet was he on during the last invocation of the present pope? Nearly every leader of the known world was there at his invocation.

Sometimes things are so plainly seen that we can't see them.

Nope, not at all. :nah I have never found such evidence. Would you please show it to me?

Could come out of her my people mean come out of a system?

Sis Alvear,

That was my initial thought. The world (carnal) system is what we are to "come out of and be separated from". The Aposotlic Church is the only "system" that bows to God. ALL other religions and non-religions bow to the system of this world.

It is my understanding that what we call Babylon had its beginning in Genesis 10:8-12. Here we read that Nimrod, whose name means "rebel" began to be a mighty one in the earth. He was a mighty hunter "before" the Lord. In the Greek Old Testament (used by the writers of our New Testament) the word "before" is enantion (Strongs no. 1726) which can mean before, in the presence of, opposite to, against, contrary. It is the base word used in enantiomai which means to oppose, set oneself against, contradict, withstand. So Nimrod was in opposition to YHWH, he was an "anti-YHWH" who hunted not just animals but also the souls of men. The beginning of his kingdom was Bavel or Babel. He also built Nineveh in Assyria. His influence was further spread when the languages were confounded at the tower of Babel and those religious teachings of his were carried throughout the world. Assyria and then Babylon conquered Israel and then Judah and carried their people away. When they returned to the land they brought many religious practices and ideas with them. But, way before that, it was a constant struggle for the hearts of the sons of Jacob between YHWH, the one true God, and Baal in his different forms and names. Babylon is more than an earthly kingom, it is also a spiritual kingdom with great influence.

Just as the influence of Nimrod and the religion of Baal has made inroads in the Jewish religion, so has it been part of "Christianity" in its public forms. Some forms of tritheism can be found there. So can the idea of a priestly group or clergy vs. laity, and other ideas such as use of statues and praying to dead saints, transubstantiation, baptismal regeneration, mother and child worship, holy water, etc.

We all need to be careful that we are not influenced by "Babylon" and its ideas and practices.

I think you are on the right track. I think Babylon mother of harlots has much
more to do with a system that is anti-God, anti-Christ, much more than
a physical earthly city or kingdom.

Are they true in their claim that they can trace their roots back to Peter?

Peter was never in Rome.
Peter was married.
Peter was not the first Pope.

They are wrong in their assertion that they can trace their roots back to Peter. The one they trace their roots back to is no Simon Peter... but Simon Pater...

He is none other than Simon the Sorcerer who the apostles rebuked for trying to buy the power of the Holy Ghost.

The RCC claims many things that are not true.

But... all of that aside... don't forget what Jesus said....

Why?

Because the harlot is guilty of the blood of the prophets.

Can you please demonstrate where I have twisted the scriptures concerning the mother of harlots & babylon the great?

Okay... I am accused of twisting scripture...

Please answer this question for me....

Who killed the prophets?

This Post (should be listed under ABOMINATIONS):killinme

NT prophets!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !

That is not an answer.... it is an indistinct statement.

Who was Jesus talking about when he said things such as...

And aren't those some of the same things that were said in Revelation about the mother of harlots... that she killed the saints and the prophets... and that she was made desolate?

So... I rephrase and ask again...

Who does the Bible say is guilty of the blood of the prophets?

No these are not the same prophets. These are OT prophets and true Jews and other nations killed them. But the prophets in Revelation are NOT the OT prophets, but NT prophets. And ROME is responsible for most of their deaths read Foxe's Book of Martyrs.

Why?

Because you say so?

Please share the scriptural reference that lets us know that the statements in Revelation that are so similar to the statements made by Jesus are a complete other set of prophets?

Also... you said that the Jews and other nations killed the OT prophets.

Was Jesus falsely accusing them when he made the statement below which I have already quoted several times.

The argument is NOT over Mt. 23 on this we agree the argument is YOU placing this passage in Revelation that is a prophecy not a history lesson about Isreal. Pagan Imperial Rome martyred saints and preachers it BECAME Papal Rome "Five are fallen-Assyria-Egypt-Babylon-Medio Persia-Greece-ONE IS -Pagan Imperial Rome-one shall come Papal Rome-then the 8th Revived Rome with the 10 horns." It CANNOT be Jerusalem. IN Rome is found the blood of the saints and prophets, Smucker's Glorious Reformation claims about 68 million were killed by Rome from the 1st century through the Spanish Inquistion. That is alot of blood.

On the lines of who killed the prophets, who is the "beast" or what does it represent? Can someone blasphemy that isn't a part of the truth of God's Word?

Found this article - http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/beast17.htm