Audio Proof: The Way of the Transgressor is Hard
 

Sad story Steadfast. So true as well.

Thank God he is still alive.

Is there any indication about turning back to God?

There is some heavy stuff this weekend..in the church / out of the church..

at a local UPC church good man dropped dead while singing special...

UPC Missionary Family in a Terrible Car Wreck...

Another Pastor has a Stroke...

It's just been a rough week on the folks..

It rains on the just and on the unjust. Sometimes the way of the Christian is also hard...

Only if you are focused on the current events instead of the eternal savior! :)

This is sad Steadfast.

But why are not asking for prayer for this man?

It almost appears that you a happy to have a terrible testimony of "I told you so"

Why the audio?

Judging from the history of Steadfast's posts, he is anything but "happy". I can only imagine this Pastor's hurt as he grieves over the times he has pleaded with this individual concerning his soul. I do believe part of his intention was "I told you so" for the purpose of telling anyone else who may have misguided intentions at the present. It is a warning to all of us....but for the grace of God there we all would be.

Not really PhilJones. That is true to some extent, but I don't think anyone breezes through cancer, death or tragedy whether they are focusing on God or not. I believe that God gives the Christian a peace and a path to follow that the non-Christian does not have, but the way of the Christian is not just easy-breezy all the time.

Cooper,

This is totally out of line.

Sanctification robs me of what I would really like to say.

Your contempt and disdain for Apostolic preachers is so great that you never pass up a chance to take a cheap shot.

Disgusting.

I think the point is that people who stay in the church generally don't participate in gang violence, ILG.

I was responding to RevRandy's post, not Steadfasts. I would agree that that was what Steadfast was trying to say.

I never said it was easy-breezy. I did say that it is not the same as the way of the transgressor for the child of God is possessed of the promises of God and borne up and comforted in them. Jesus said, my yoke is easy and my burden is light! We are overcomers not succumbers. We are victors not victims. There is no way we can equate the way of the transgressor and the way of the child of God!

Coop... I would rather be in the church when things happen than out regardless... I would rather be close to God then far from him when things go wrong...

The way of the transgressor is without direction and without hope. The way of the Christian can be hard but is never without direction or hope. Sometimes it can be equated to the way of the transgrassor in that it rains both on the just and on the unjust, but transgressors usually make their own way very difficult by making poor choices which then is also heaped with guilt for transgressing. A Christian should be able to walk free of guilt and with uprightness and integrity but will still have trials and hard times.

The difference is the peace.

I would go to him and suggest he start repenting.

Coonskinner, you just might have a valid point there.

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Wasn't there an old Carmen song that ended in a similiar fashion?

Something to do with a witch-doctor, maybe?

Listened to the 911 call.. chilling...

Contempt and disdain for Apostolic preachers have I not.

Cheap shot?.....................Seems you had me in the cross hairs for a long time.:killinme


Besides that....

How are you doing Coon? Kinda missed you.

Sorry steadfast. I do not have hate for you.

Just the first impression of the thread did not set right with me.

The title reminded me of the Christians that stand on the street corners shouting at cars.

I'm doing fine, Coop.

You?:)

I figured I'd better come back around and thump on you a little, lest you think I don't love you anymore.;)

:D

I guess my first thought on your post here is... 'Simply amazing'. My second thought is 'Just Coop doing his thing again'. However, my third thought is more reasonable...that being that you deserved an answer on this one.

First of all, I and my congregation have spent hours in prayer. Prayer is already a vital factor that has already been interjected into the situation.

Secondly, I guess I'm as happy as any true Pastor who loves from the depths of his heart would be to see someone he loved shot, dragged out of a car, forsaken by so called 'friends' and left for dead. Coop, there is sincerely no way you could ever understand that because you've never had a Pastors heart.

I'm as happy as I was when I was dragged out of my yard by the Police Chief to go find a young preacher who had shot himself through the heart leaving his wife and two week old baby wondering "Why?" I knew why. A Young girl had just called and confessed to me minutes earlier about the affair she was having with this man.

Happy?

About as happy as rushing to the scene of the accident where I held a backslidden girls hand while they tried to cut her out of the car. They did. It was just about 5 minutes too late, though. How would you have turned, Coop, to tell that Momma and Dadddy standing behind you - righteous to the core - their little girl died as a result of a car wreck she caused by drinking?

Happy?

I guess I'm as happy as I was running back into the room of a lady who had been given up for dead a year earlier that promised she would come to God if we could only get God to raise her up. Her repentance seemed as sincere as any I had ever heard as I prayed for her healing. God DID heal her and she DID come out of the hospital. In that entire year she never darkened the door of our Church.

I got the call and ran as fast as I could to her hospital bed where she was screaming, "Pray again! Please pray again!" I did pray. In fact I begged God and it was like praying for a watermelon... and she died with my hand on her head begging the whole time "Hurry... do it again just like you did last time." But this time it didn't work.

There! Now you have three more (among far too many more) 'terrible testimonies' to explain to you how 'happy' I really am.

Coop, you obviously don't know me - or really know a true 'Pastor's heart' - or you could NEVER have thought I was gloating in their tragedy. However, I've come to accept as a sad fact of being a Shepherd that if you love deeply you will, at times, hurt just as deeply. Today I just 'hurt' a little more vocally than I did a few days ago.

Finally, the audio was there for a specific reason: hopefully someone ready to keep walking in iniquity will listen to it and say, "You know, it may not be worth the price I may have to pay to keep walking even farther away from God."

Thanks for your apology.

For what it's worth, I've stood on streetcorners preaching, too. I called it outreach.

P. S.: I'm glad you don't have hate for me.

Wow.

And the fat guy from Indiana says, AMEN!

The Price of being a Shepherd is the wounds run deep when the lost and wounded sheep bleat... and it's too late and the Shepherd has to live with the pain in his heart...

Amen...

Brother, we know and understand your intent in starting this thread. No need to explain.

Does anyone know if this person survived? It seems obvious to me that he needs to do some serious repenting and hopefully it isn't too late for him.

I'm on vacation and haven't had internet access for a week, but just wanted log in and say that the majority of people who are not in church do not participate in gang violence either.

Those people who said it ain't a pretty world out there? They were wrong. You don't end up in the gutter on crack just because you don't believe a certain way. :) I'm sitting in a suite at the Drake Hotel in Chicago right now on vacation... but I'll be sure to watch out for those shotgun blasts while I'm here.

Coop?!?! Wow. I'm disappointed He appears happy? This is a somber warning if anything and I might add that I don't see why anyone that is a Christian needs to be told to pray for this man....Posting this is enough information for me to know I should pray for this person.

Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks....I find it interesting that you thought that and it seems the rest of us did not.

Sounds like a tuff city to be a Pastor.

And again....I am sorry. I have really put my foot in my mouth.

Your experiences are heavy. I would not want to be in your place.

Please forgive me, :angelsad



*crawling under my desk*

Steadfast,

As you know, that 911 call is like hundreds made each day because people made bad choices in their life.

As Sheltiedad mentioned, not all sinners make choices that involve gangs or drug use. I think ex-Apostolics tend to gravitate to the extreme maybe more than normal because of the pendulum thing. (If I'm going to hell, might as well have fun doing it!)

I watched as my own son made bad choices, and I was powerless to entervene. Mrs. Pianoman and I relied on much prayer. My son's best friend committed suicide, which brought my son back around. He witnessed what the wages of sin produced.

My prayers go out to the young man and his family, and I hope his story doesn't end like the others that you mentioned.

Steadfast,
No wonder you're blood pressure is through the roof.
I am amazed that you haven't died of a broken heart already.

Praying earnestly for you and the situations you need to deal with.

God Bless.

Ron

praying here too...