Will we need a Murrell Ewing at Conference this year?
 

This would imply that one side of the TV debate knows that they are in the wrong (or that their position has less merit) and yet continues to push for what they want out of pure hard-headedness and a nasty self-justified spirit of spreading the suffering and loss.

Either way you look at it, this analogy is an oversimplification.

This is not to say that Brother Ewing couldn't have the right words to say to touch hearts and change minds again this year.

I love Bro. Ewing too! Some of his sermons have impacted my life greatly!

That being said, I wonder which side is more willing to 'split the baby' if they don't get their way? Which side is threatening to leave if the vote doesn't go their way?

If the TV measure passes, is the preservation of the baby more important than retaining control of fellow ministers? Is the life of the baby more important than your own comfort level?

The man stood quaking and trembling in his emotions as tears flowed down his cheek, looking over the vast congregation that he had addressed so many times before under such a great annoiting. His service and giving had been unselfish which has blessed the body of Christ world-wide. Many times before had he stood in the GC pulpit but this was to be the last time. His licenses were denied renewal by an intolerant fellowship that refused to allow the man of God to go in the direction that he felt that God was leading his ministry and his church.

I will never forget the Lord's humble servant's last words before a fellowship that he dearly cherished, chosing rather to be obedient to the voice of the Lord that was leading him...

"It is better to have loved and lost than to have never loved at all." With those final words ringing in my ears, Kenneth Phillips walked away deeply feeling the pain of rejection. As a fellowship, we are so much poorer today.

I too love bro. Ewing. I've known him since the 1st grade when we both attended the same class room. His was indeed a great message. Too bad so many others are not as loving and kind as both him and he who chose to follow the Lord in the way of rejection.

Steadfast,

I was at that GC and had forogtten that message until you mentioned it. The first 45 minutes of any Murrell Ewing sermon has always been some of my favorites. It is that last hour or hour and a half that get tough!!

What was interesting was that at the 1975 GC in Ft. Worth when the TV subject was really building toward a confrontation Kenneth Phillips was the official speaker at the "Evangelists Banquet". I found that very interesting at the time based on the politics.

I think Bro Ewing probably was not trying to make the analogy fit to a "t". He probably was oversimplifying. True Love will cause you to do what is best for the object you are aiming your love at. LOVE seeketh not its own.

I was there, too, and well remember the message. I believe it was in Louisville.

I often thought Bro. Ewing was a Moderate... is this true?

LOL.... :killinme

But even that is always good... :D

Brother Ewing is a pretty conservitive guy. I wonder about the direction the church will go now that his son is firmly ensconced as the next pastor.

That is interesting. I did not know that.

It would be nice to have a copy of this sermon.

:hmmm

has anyone heard "When John Mark Comes"?

I think that is it.

I have a question for you Steaddy.....

Are you under the impression that ME is NOT in favor of the TV res??

Is that Landy? and is he different from Dad?

I remeber the message about "the sop" regarding Judas' betrayal, he spoke that at landmark in the 90's.

Well..... I don't know how he is now,but he used to be a whole lot different from his father.

We'll never know what would have been the outcome had Hanby and Phillips been allowed to test the waters and do a pilot into TV with the blessing of the org. The rejection of their belief that God was directing their paths, no doubt produced incredible conflict into their ministries. And though there was not a huge walkout the org split back then none the less. I and many other young hungry and committed men and women left in the pursuing months and years. If the org had been mature enough P&H would have seen the problems and difficulties with TV broadcasting and there might have been opportunity for redirection and redefining into a workable media outreach. Instead when they did not succeed in their early attempts, it was as if they were wrong and failed. Phillips as survived in some manner, Han by seems to be a major train wreck. So, in my opinion the org failed miserably, and lost thousands of its children which is even now proving to be disastrous, with the continuing exit of it future generations.

It is easy just to cast them away as rebellious and carnal. Yet now the org faces the same issues again with some of its most dynamic leaders, will it may the same mistakes again? If it passes now it proves even more glaringly the failure of the earlier decisions. My advise to the UPC, grow up and mature or pass on to irrelevance. Of, course no one is listening to my input.:nah

I'm listening! :) GOOD THOUGHTS!

Good thoughts..Yes!!

Those that need to to "hear" unfortunley still have their ears full of sand and will not hear.

Good words.

Hardness of spirit and of the heart can only deal lifelessness in the generations to come, who bear fruit but not after Christ, but rather after a RELIGION.

someone call 911. I agree with crackjack.
one wonders what could have been done had the UPCI worked within some solid guidelines to test these waters. there is no telling.

Amen, Brother Strange.

If everyone had a soft and tender spirit as Bro. Ewing has always had, our fellowship would be far more forgiving and less dictatorial on churches and ministers who sincerely want to do God's bidding.

Politics is an ugly family member compared to the beauty of mystery Babylon.

Good Place for a re-post...

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YEP...GOD MISSED IT BY NOT HAVING TV AROUND ON THE DAY OF PENTECOST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Come on.....................the UPC was for fellowship and carrying the WHOLE GOSPEL to the WHOLE WORLD.............

If they ain't in the same ship they need to sail off.........

and most of these guys that are pro-tv don't believe the WHOLE GOSPEL enough to even believe the essentiality of the NEW BIRTH

I quoted both of these posts to see if anyone else can see the difference in the spirit that each was written!

That is quite a sweeping judgmental statement AGAPE. But, I'm sure that you've done a head count.

Do you think that Anthony and G.A. Mangun fit into that category?

This is so true, I can say I have never been affect by a ministry Like ME before, he just has such love about him. I am so glad that I ever met him.

Sounds a lot like something Jesus would say doesn't it???? Or maybe not!

What happened to the UPCs stance against Radio? Do you suppose that the slippery slope of broadcasting on Radio led us to this TV issue?

This is so true and can bring tears of frustration. It's what our youth see. Sometimes the lure of Babylon feels much happier and peaceful than the fight.

In a way it reminds me of the words of Kenneth Levin, a clinical instructor of psychiatry at Harvard Medical School and a commentator on Israeli politics,

"...in the words of Prime Minister Olmert, "tired of fighting... tired of being courageous... tired of winning... tired of defeating our enemies..." This dangerous mind-set, the desperate wish for an end to the hostility of surrounding states, and the concomitant embrace of delusions of peace, are as great a threat to Israel as the strategic challenges posed by its enemies."

All the political stuff can just make you tired.....

If, like Brother Ewing, we could bring down walls with love we would really see an awesome move of God and would rejoice......

I will say that this thread help clearify something.

I have been to conferences in years past and have heard preachers either say or yell out (during the preaching)

"don't divide the baby!"

Now I know where it came from, it must have been influenced by this message in 1977 from ME.

I sure hate to see this good thread about a great man devolve.

Me too... take it to another...

I will NEVER forget the times growing up in the 70's when my mother would put on an LP and play it over and over of Bro. Ewing singing with his deep and smooth voice. God Bless Bro. Ewing!

:sing

ME used to be a fixture at the Home Missions Services over the past few years at General Conference. Shame he has been "phased out." There was nothing like his voice at General Conferences.

My apologies.


Bro. Ewing has as sweet a spirt as he has a smooth voice.

I love to hear him sing!

My Uncle had occasion to broadcast Harvestime on a 50000 watt superstation back about 25 or 30 yrs ago. As I recall his story- was a very good price, but turned down for this was a "rock station." He declined offers to advertise for free on the local cable stations 5 yrs ago.

I dislike the way this resolution was written last year, and do think it needs to be rejected for the same reasons. I see the "Keyboard Quarterbacking" is a moot point to those who do not have a vote (sorry Ferd). The technology amendment is dated and the real task is to update what is there, not remove something from 1950/1977/1992/2000/2006/2007.

I am curious if we are really prepared for TV Ads when we cannot get Overhead at GC, or Internet ads in place yet.

:poloroid

I would imagine that very few Church's/Ministries of the UPC have the fiances to broadcast ads on TV for any lenght of time, let alone pay for air time of a 30 to 60 minute service.