Are The 70.Wks Of Daniel Fulfilled ?
 

Are the 70.wks of Daniel Fulfilled ? Or is there a gap between the 69 and 70th
week ? What say ye ?

No gap, all fulfilled 3.5 years after the cross.

Yep... Sure 'nuff.

Could you please explain how all points have been fulfilled ?

I have it all laid out here as I see it:

http://www.mikeblume.com/70weeks.htm

Is there anybody here that teaches a gap between the 69 and 70th wks. and why do you draw that conclusion ?

Are you kidding? All the dispensationalist teach a gap of 2000+ years, and all the perterist believe they are just wrong? Which are you, Bro. Scott? If you believe there is a gap, Bro. Blume will straighten you out. :hypercoffee:hypercoffee

Mark Hanby said there is a gap.

Hoo-boy. There must be a gap, then.

Not according to Jesus Himself.

Mat 24:3 As He was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, "Tell us, when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?"

Mat 24:15 "Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),
Mat 24:16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
Mat 24:17 "Whoever is on the housetop must not go down to get the things out that are in his house.

Has this happen yet? If the answer is no, then there is a gap! :coffee2

OOP's mistake made!!!
 

I am not able to edit my post #10. I didn't mean to say..."Not according to Jesus Himself. " I changed my thought and didn't change my words. :sos

But yet....
 

Also, these verses can easily be speaking of the Roman army that would destroy Jerusalem.

Yes sir...

Jesus, speaking to those standing in front of him, said "When YOU see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet"

Jesus set within them an expectation that they, themselves, would see this thing.

You're right, and thanks for pointing that out. I should have stuck with my orginal thought which was from the Book of Daniel.

Dan 9:26 "Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and have nothing, and the people of the prince who is to come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. And its end will come with a flood; even to the end there will be war; desolations are determined.
Dan 9:27 "And he will make a firm covenant with the many for one week, but in the middle of the week he will put a stop to sacrifice and grain offering; and on the wing of abominations will come one who makes desolate, even until a complete destruction, one that is decreed, is poured out on the one who makes desolate."

Verse 26b is a prophecy that continues with a description of the judgment that would come on the generation that rejected the Messiah. Verse 27 has not happen yet.

I find it amazing that in today's church world many are in the same position that the Jews of Jesus' day were in.

They could not see Jesus as the Messiah because he did not meet their predetermined expectation of what the scripture was saying would happen when it prophesied about the Messiah. Their expectations were geared a direction that God had never intended and so they could not accept that Jesus was the Messiah.

Of course, Christians accept that Jesus is the Messiah but many cannot see that prophecies of his coming were fulfilled because their expectations are for another type of fulfillment.

The more things change the more they remain the same. :)

Are we to suppose that the prophecy of the end has come?

The prophecies concerning the end of that age have certainly done so.

If MATT.24 is originally addressed to those who saw the siege of Jerusalem ,then it has been fulfilled ?
If Daniel's prophecy hasn't been fulfilled then the old covenant hasn't been fulfilled.
Now how can we be in the new covenant , if the old one is still in effect ?

Are we still in Daniel or back to Matthew 24?

Gotta run Believer I trust you are doing well and God is blessing you mightily.

I'm doing fine, trying to get a hang of this board and its quirks, or my quirks!

Here is something to consider when Jesus gave His Olivet was the Most Holy Place to the ones His discourse was originally addressed to ?

God bless you my new found friend.God bless Bro.Believer.

Either one will work... I feel that both are fulfilled.

I guess I could ask the same question about all the letter in the Bible.

So you believe that the Son of Man has already come back? That is part of the prophecy.

Interesting.... Please tell me when all these was fulfilled.

Brother Blume has already shared a link to his site where he deals with the 70 weeks of Daniel... which Jesus recalls in Matthew 24 as being the abomination of desolations that he is speaking of.

http://www.mikeblume.com/70weeks.htm

The 70 weeks of Daniel are fulfilled. We know that the Messiah was to come after the 69th week ie. the beginning of the 70th week. He was cut off in the midst of the week and the 70 weeks were fulfilled 3 1/2 years after Calvary as Bro. Blume has stated.

On a side note, I find it interesting that Jesus was rejected by the Jews because they were expecting the Messiah to establish a physical kingdom and yet Jesus told them that His Kingdom was not of this world, that it came without observation and was within you. He told His disciples in Matthew 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

And here we are almost 2000 years later and many expect Jesus to come and establish a physical kingdom in physical Jerusalem in a physical temple when the New Testament teaches no such thing.

The more things change... the more they remain the same. :)

Good to hear from you onlygrace. You should post more often. :) But we're glad to see you when you do.

Very, very insightful point.

If you don't mine I would like to go back to the statement you made above. Jesus said "When YOU see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION....."

When did this take place and who seen this take place?

I agree with the proponent of this thought. My take is that Jerusalem was the holy place, and the Roman armies with their idolatrous standards abominated the place. But then the temple was also ravaged and the Romans stood up their standard idols there as well.

It is also recounted in history where the zealots put a man described as a "clown" to be high priest and sleew the actual high priest at the time.

At any rate, history shows that the church recognized Rome's siege of Jerusalem to be the fulfillment of Matt 24 and Luke 21, and fled to Pella! Not one Christian perished.

The 1st century church did...Jesus speaking directly to his disciples telling them what THEY would see and they did

Then we have to assume that all the disciples lived until the year 70 A.D.? That would be the case if they saw the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple as Jesus apparently told them...right?

the end of Matt 16 says MANY OF THEM who were there would see his coming. Not all. :)

That does seem plausible. I check all the resources I can get my hands on and they are split about even. Some agree with you, and other don't. I'm not sure, so I concede.

They disagree with what Jesus said?

Are The 70.Wks Of Daniel Fulfilled ?
 

[QUOTE=Believer;230056]If you don't mind I would like to go back to the statement you made above. Jesus said "When YOU see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION....."

When did this take place and who seen this take place?[/QUOTE]


If we could ask the same question pertaining to the FLOOD,

when did this take place and who seen this take place?

God said His people were destroyed for lack of knowledge,

because they had rejected knowledge....". Paul also speaks

of Israel having a ZEAL, but not according to knowledge.

We are told to PROVE ALL things. When we hear something

new, many times we "kicK' it out because it is not what we

have heard before or it is not what "they" said. We need to

"Check it out, using the Word of God as THE STANDARD!

If we approached a person that was ignorant of the Word,

and told him that there was a great flood coming that would

destroy the world and they had better get ready for it. Expect

a great flood of destruction. If they didn't have the knowledge

of the Word, they could possibly be persuaded it was true and

like Chicken Little, start running about, declaring the end is coming.

However we who have knowledge about what the Word says about

the Flood, know that it is past, It happened a long time ago. We

have a RAINBOW to prove the WORD. A SIGN.

Did Jesus say the temple would be destroyed and their city would

be burned! Did it happen. Why isn't there a temple there! Jesus was

in the temple one day and was very angry and "tore things up" so to

speak. He asked if it was not written that MY (God's)house shall be

called a house of prayer for all people (nations). No longer would God

dwell in temples made by man's hands but His people would be the

temple of the Living God. He would no longer dwell WITH them but

would live IN them. Are we insisting on having something God des-

troyed! Is our lack of knowledge destroying us! Jesus told the woman

at the well that the hour cometh , when you shall neither in this

mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. The true worshiper

would worship the Father in spirit and in truth; for the Father seeketh

such to worship Him. GOD IS a Spirit; and they that worship Him must

worship Him in spirit and in truth. She had the choice to believe Jesus

or go on in unbelief. She chose to believe him. Will we? He said a lot of

other things and told his disciples that the words he spake to them

were spirit and they were life. (Life giving)

Just some sincere questions from a elder sister.

Blessings,

Falla39

Thanks for your opinion, I’ll file it away like I do all the others! :hypercoffee