Ron Paul Wins 09/05/2007 Fox Presidential Debate
 

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Here are some highlights. Please pardon the occasional giggles in the background of Rude Julie.

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I like this guy!

Me too... :) and more and more do each day.

Ron Paul is an idiot who at various times has proposed doing away with the FBI and just about every other Govt. agency.

He is also a coward who is an isolationist.

Bottom line is that he spouts the same old Libertarian line that is as realistic as communism.

For you delusional Ron Paul suppoters who still don't understand that Paul's campaign has an organized effort of having supporters vote online in these unscientific polls here is a link to the latest REAL, SCIENTIFIC, polling that shows just where this idiot is in the hearts and minds of Republican voters.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08rep.htm

We use to refer to that "Libertarian line" as obeying the Constitution.

I guess that document is outdated.

I have already dealt with your little "I" word in another thread.

what an idiot. and a wimp and YES he is taking his marching orders from Osama Bin Ladin! knuckle head.

For those who may be wondering I will define a few terms for you.

In the eyes of those who hold the highest disdain for Ron Paul the following definitions should be understood.

Scientific Poll. noun phrase
1. Any poll in which Ron Paul had a low percentage of the vote. Especially in the 1-2% range.

Unscientific Poll noun phrase
1. Any poll in which Ron Paul had a high percentage of the votes. Especially polls where he wins or comes in 2nd or 3rd.

It has been consistently demonstrated that polls where Ron Paul scores well are touted as flukes or the result of Paulites out there voting 12,000 times each.

It has also been consistently demonstrated that any poll that Ron Paul scores poorly in is deemed a scientific poll.

So.. 3 questions.

You do know that there was only one vote allowed per phone correct?

Why is your poll more legitimate than the FOX News Post Debate Poll?

If the Fox News Post Debate Poll showed numbers similar to the one you gave a link to...would have then no longer been an unscientific poll?

And one final comment. It is an amazing thing to note that Ron Paul organizes very little himself. He mostly gets out there and gets the message out. Ron Paul's "organization" consists of thousands upon thousands of small local groups who work on their own to see this man elected. Ron Paul has said many times... he doesn't drive the groups that support him. The groups that support him drive him.

The movement is real and the movement is growing and it is going to get harder and harder to deny as the weeks pass by.

Your opine is noted.

But he won.

:)

The American people are waking up.

Okay d4t, let's say this text message poll is a scientific poll for the sake of argument............

How do you address the disparity between the large number of polls that have RP at 1-2% and all of the sudden this WOOOOOSH giant leap to 33% with the closest competitor being Huckabee at 18%?

I don't know about you, but that seems kind of odd.

Well... instead of just looking at the various internet polls why don't we look at actual straw polls. These are actual votes taken with actual registered Republicans with a verified one vote per person vote.

The forum doesn't translate polls very well but you can see the actual table by clicking here.

But... even though the forum doesn't translate tables well the info below is not unduly hard to read.

The info is as follows.

The location, the date, what place he came in and then the percentage of the vote he commanded.

In 20 of the 23 straw polls he was in the top 4
In 17 of the 23 straw polls he was in the top 3.
In 13 of the 23 straw polls he was in the top 2.
In 9 of the 23 straw polls he won.

South Dakota Straw Poll 9/3/2007 6 8 %
Maryland Straw Poll 9/3/2007 1 27.3%
Texas Straw Poll 9/1/2007 3 16.7 %
Allegheny County, Pennsylvania 8/26/2007 1 45.2 %
DeKalb County, Georgia Straw Poll 8/25/2007 1 24 %
HRCC (Minnesota) 8/22/2007 3 16.0%
Ronald Reagan Club (Washington) 8/21/2007 1 28.0%
West Alabama 8/18/2007 1 81.2%
Strafford County, NH 8/18/2007 1 72.2%
West Lafayette, Indiana 8/18/2007 4 11.7%
Illinois State Fair 8/17/2007 3 18.9%
Students for Life of America 8/16/2007 4 9.0%
Western Montana Fair 8/15/2007 6 4.0%
Gaston County, NC 8/14/2007 1 36.6%
Ames, Iowa 8/11/2007 5 9.1%
(NFRA), St. Louis, MO 8/6/2007 3 14.0%
FreedomWorks Straw Poll 8/3/2007 1 56 %
Georgetown County, SC 7/28/2007 2 17.9%
New Hampshire Taxpayers 7/7/2007 1 65.3%
Cobb County, GA 7/4/2007 2 17.0%
California Republican Assembly 7/1/2007 4 12.0%
National Taxpayers Union 6/16/2007 2 16.7%
Utah GOP convention 6/8/2007 2 5.4%

His head to head records against the various candidates are as follows.

Ron Paul's Head-to-Head Records (Win-Lose-Tie):
Rudy Giuliani 20-3-0
Mitt Romney 13-10-0
Fred Thompson 10-12-0
John McCain 20-2-0
Mike Huckabee 19-2-1
Sam Brownback 19-2-1
Tom Tancredo 20-1-0
Duncan Hunter 19-2-0

In all scientific polls that are not maniuplated like online volunatary polls and "straw polls" RP is consistently showing only 1% to 3% support.

I know that reality is tough but that is reality.

No. He didn't "win." He made a spectacle. The man clearly has bought into the Democratic Party’s nonsense about Iraq being a "war of aggression" and "illegal" and etc. The treaties and international law that support the invasion literally fill warehouses.

And his "cakewalk" nonsense is deliberately disingenuous. The invasion and overthrow of Sadaam's Baathist regime was a "cakewalk" militarily speaking. But at the out set, the current admin and the Pentagon and even the lefties at the State Dept all said the real battle would be after the 'war.' They also predicted that Iraq would not be stable enough for elections for 10 years. We've already had 2 major elections there.

Ron Paul is taking the real sacrifices being made by good Americans for nothing. He blames America for the 9/11 attacks. His palaver about "marching orders" from the Constitution is ridiculous. He clearly espouses that the U.S. go "turtle" on the world. That of course appeals to many Apostolics who don't want to have to bother thinking beyond their own very narrow lives either. But if we want to change the world we have to go out into the world.

Even Frodo knew he couldn't hide in the Shire for long. It's a big and scary world out there. Do you want it to become exclusively Muslim? They do have the better plan for conquest. The only thing that will stop them is if from within their own world a people rise up against militant jihad. We have to show those people that it's worth the effort.

CC1, You are always using pejorative terms but never really offering any cogent arguments for your positions. If we Christian libertarian types are so loony as your comments indicate prove us wrong. You don't like Ron Paul...that fine but debate the positions he holds with good political reasoning. I could be wrong but you seem to think that Washington, Jefferson, and the old boys were the epitome of the GOP.

I saying that Libetarians live in a fantasy world. What they claim they would lke would never work.

In my opinion anyone who advocates doing away with the FBI and most other government agencies is a loony toons.

The world is way too complex to govern it the way Libetarians propose. It may sound nice to say you want that extremely limited government but it is not practical.

This is much like communism that can sound great on paper as a wonderful uptopia that equals the playing field and provides equally for all. The Soviet Union and Communist China were proof that was a fairy tale that could not survive human nature.

Likewise a Federal government as proposed by Libetarians and RP *who really is one posing as a Republican) would not survive human nature.

Uh... Sir... speaking of reality... Ron Paul has won most of the straw polls.

Have you not seen the numbers?

And I have responded to that by saying that just like voluntary online polls straw polls are won by whoever organizes their supporters the best.

I have yet to see one of you RP suppoters explain why he is at at just 1-3% support in EVERY single scientific poll by a reputable polling company.

Why don't you be the first and address that the way I have you guys silly preoccupation with voluntary online polls and straw polls that are easily manipulated by organized campaigns to skew the results.

I have a feeling the response will be that of the black helicopter crowd that some conspiracy is afoot and the scientific polls are wrong.

After making this short statement I will no longer respond to any post which makes these nonsensical references to black helicopters etc.

Come off the black helicopter references or talk to yourself.

If this were Lord of the Rings, we would have long since used the Ring "for Gondor" despite the warning that the Ring needed to be destroyed.

What do they call it these days when someone gets more votes than the others?

Not Ron Paul!

I notice that your response here is a nice dodge to avoid answering the question in my post which is why do you guys persist in ignoring the REAL and SCIENTIFIC polling on Ron Paul's popularity and support among Republicans? I have yet to see one of you guys respond to the question.

I heard a rumor that CC1 was converted to a Ronpaulite while sitting in a barbershop on Triumphant1's platform...is that true?

So when Ron Paul has more votes it's not a win?

Winning a straw poll doesn't mean squat diddily about a canidates support among all republicans.

It only means that his campaign has been able to organize supporters in that particular area to show up for an informal straw poll.

I see you have yet to respond to any of the posts about how you guys ignore all of the scientific polls that show Ron Paul at one to three percent support among Republicans.

Keep on in your fantasy world. Your bubble is going to burst eventually. You can only ignore reality so long.

Vote for Michael Savage.

BUMP