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Sherri 09-10-2007 11:00 PM

We are going off TV!
 
It was a very difficult decision. Is it conviction from reading AFF TV threads?????

Sorry, but no. We have been on TV for three years now and the results have been amazing and have definitely brought many people to our church, resulting in several salvations and changed lives.

BUT (and that's a very big but)....on the second Sunday of October, we are launching our first Sunday services in Savannah, where we have only had Thursday night Bible studies. It will be a video venue, with a live band and a campus pastor, but Eddie will preach via big screen. It will not be a live feed, but a week delay. Since that area is reached by our TV show, we didn't feel it would be advantageous to ask people to come to an 11 AM service with video preaching when they can sit at home and see it at 10:30 in their underwear. So, we are cancelling it for now.

Also, it will save the ministry about a thousand dollars per week, which will come in handy in other areas for now. Has TV been successful for us? Absolutetly!!! But it's not the answer for everything. God will continue to bless and hopefully all those people that we've met in Jackson who tell us they watch Eddie every week will now feel the need to venture out and visit the church in person!

H2H 09-11-2007 04:57 AM

She is movin our way folks!!

Sherri 09-11-2007 08:18 AM

Don't hold your breath.:hypercoffee

DividedThigh 09-11-2007 08:26 AM

sherri and eddie, that is nothing but wisdom, so many people do things without thinking it thru, and when it is right you will be on again, you are blessed of god, praying for you, dt:hypercoffee

Steve Epley 09-11-2007 08:30 AM

Since television is the medium God has chosen to save the world by close the church and stay on television.:hypercoffee

pastor21 09-11-2007 08:33 AM

I'm not really sure what a "campus pastor" is. I have never heard or read that term before. But if he's the pastor, shouldn't he be doing the preaching?

Steve Epley 09-11-2007 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by pastor21 (Post 237942)
I'm not really sure what a "campus pastor" is. I have never heard or read that term before. But if he's the pastor, shouldn't he be doing the preaching?

A glorified usher??????????????????????????????:driving

pastor21 09-11-2007 09:22 AM

Ha! Sounds about right. Might be one of those "if I hire em I can fire em"

Hoovie 09-11-2007 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by pastor21 (Post 237999)
Ha! Sounds about right. Might be one of those "if I hire em I can fire em"

Is this to imply that there are pastors who are not responsible to the church they pastor?

BTW If you are new, Welcome! If not then :nah :)

pastor21 09-11-2007 09:39 AM

Don't really understand Stephen. I've been responsible to the church I pastor for almost 22 years. Started 3 other churches besides my own. I never put a "campus pastor" in so I really don't understand. I'm not real up to date on the computer lingo so I don't understand the BTW. Sorry!

Hoovie 09-11-2007 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by pastor21 (Post 238014)
Don't really understand Stephen. I've been responsible to the church I pastor for almost 22 years. Started 3 other churches besides my own. I never put a "campus pastor" in so I really don't understand. I'm not real up to date on the computer lingo so I don't understand the BTW. Sorry!

My point is most pastors can be voted out... for good cause.

I agree they should not come and go on the whim of anothers vision though I am not sure how it works with Sherri's church/es.

Oh, and I really don't fully get the campus pastor either...

BTW By The Way

pastor21 09-11-2007 09:56 AM

Hey, thanks. I believe each church has to stand on it's own with the pastor being the set man over that particular house. I have enough responsibilty with the vision for my own city, I don't think I could have that and do it well for 3 or 4 cities. Unless, they all served a one centered goal. But, that's just me and maybe I'm a little to old fashioned. Thanks for the BTW info.

CC1 09-11-2007 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by pastor21 (Post 238014)
Don't really understand Stephen. I've been responsible to the church I pastor for almost 22 years. Started 3 other churches besides my own. I never put a "campus pastor" in so I really don't understand. I'm not real up to date on the computer lingo so I don't understand the BTW. Sorry!

I believe the concept is that the overall Pastor or Overseer is a man who delivers the sermons to the various congregations via video on a screen while a local "campus pastor" handles pastoral care and administrative type things at each physical location.

Sandra 09-11-2007 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 237806)
It was a very difficult decision. Is it conviction from reading AFF TV threads?????

Sorry, but no. We have been on TV for three years now and the results have been amazing and have definitely brought many people to our church, resulting in several salvations and changed lives.

BUT (and that's a very big but)....on the second Sunday of October, we are launching our first Sunday services in Savannah, where we have only had Thursday night Bible studies. It will be a video venue, with a live band and a campus pastor, but Eddie will preach via big screen. It will not be a live feed, but a week delay. Since that area is reached by our TV show, we didn't feel it would be advantageous to ask people to come to an 11 AM service with video preaching when they can sit at home and see it at 10:30 in their underwear. So, we are cancelling it for now.

Also, it will save the ministry about a thousand dollars per week, which will come in handy in other areas for now. Has TV been successful for us? Absolutetly!!! But it's not the answer for everything. God will continue to bless and hopefully all those people that we've met in Jackson who tell us they watch Eddie every week will now feel the need to venture out and visit the church in person!


Me too, I am off TV until I lose WEIGHT!:D

Steve Epley 09-11-2007 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 238055)
Me too, I am off TV until I lose WEIGHT!:D

Think of all the souls who will be lost eternally by you not being on television.

Sherri 09-11-2007 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 238039)
I believe the concept is that the overall Pastor or Overseer is a man who delivers the sermons to the various congregations via video on a screen while a local "campus pastor" handles pastoral care and administrative type things at each physical location.

Right---we are doing one video venue right now in another location in our church here in Jackson. They have their own live music and pastor back there (who is one of our assistants). But the preaching is on the huge video screens and it's Eddie recorded from the first service.

This is the first one we've done in another city/town. The people are excited about it. Love & Truth Ministries is all under Eddie, so any church we have is under his oversight. The other ones all have a man set in the house as pastor; this will be the first one with a campus pastor. He is only responsible for the care of the people, the adminstrative work, etc. He will also do some midweek services. It's a great concept for young pastors who are not experienced enough to handle doing 2 or 3 sermons a week.

This way, all of Love & Truth Ministries has a central focus and vision and they are all taught the same thing. A new concept, but it's working across the nation!

Joseph 09-11-2007 11:11 AM

Many years from now, after the pastor has passed on to his reward, I wonder if they will still play his video's like Branhams followers do?? :)

Hoovie 09-11-2007 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 238055)
Me too, I am off TV until I lose WEIGHT!:D

you know there were alot of us thinking this but did not want to hurt your feelings in saying it. :itsover I am so glad you have realized it yourself.


:killinme:killinme JUST KIDDING!!!!

Steve Epley 09-11-2007 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238126)
you know there were alot of us thinking this but did not want to hurt your feelings in saying it. :itsover I am so glad you have realized it yourself.


:killinme:killinme JUST KIDDING!!!!

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PS!!!
You sir have committed a very bad boo-boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pray saints.

CC1 09-11-2007 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238126)
you know there were alot of us thinking this but did not want to hurt your feelings in saying it. :itsover I am so glad you have realized it yourself.


:killinme:killinme JUST KIDDING!!!!

Wow! And to think you are a man who has been married for some time. This post sure didn't show that you have learned anything.:sos:nah:poloroid

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 238241)
OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO PS!!!
You sir have committed a very bad boo-boo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Pray saints.

I do realize that - BUT, it's too late to edit! May the powers that be grant this humble servant forgiveness!

Hoovie 09-11-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 238305)
Wow! And to think you are a man who has been married for some time. This post sure didn't show that you have learned anything.:sos:nah:poloroid

Right, forgive me for I have sinned.:angelsad:angelsad:angelsad:angelsad

Evang.Benincasa 09-11-2007 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 238039)
I believe the concept is that the overall Pastor or Overseer is a man who delivers the sermons to the various congregations via video on a screen while a local "campus pastor" handles pastoral care and administrative type things at each physical location.

Anyone have the scripture for the "campus pastor" ?

Interesting teaching but can you jell it out with chapter and verse? :)

Evang.Benincasa 09-11-2007 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandra (Post 238055)
Me too, I am off TV until I lose WEIGHT!:D

Is it true that television makes a person look heavier?

pelathais 09-11-2007 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 238643)
Anyone have the scripture for the "campus pastor" ?

Interesting teaching but can you jell it out with chapter and verse? :)

Hi E.B. I know that you're just yanking her chain, but technically any pastor is a "campus pastor." The "campus" in antiquity was the field near an army camp. Troops would train and practice their drills on the "campus." By extension the term came to be applied to any open field and later to include the buildings built for training purposes on that field.

Titus 1:5 probably describes what Sherri is doing.

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 238647)
Is it true that television makes a person look heavier?

I think it does. On television you are taking a 3D image and flattening it out onto a 2 dimensional display. This brings the angular features of the face and body out from relief and flattens the over all appearance.

Scott Hutchinson 09-11-2007 08:27 PM

Ok selling peanut brittle is next.

Sister Alvear 09-11-2007 08:28 PM

I am amazed at the answers here...Why do we enjoy making fun and light of what a person feels led of God to do?
Where does the Bible mention co pastor, SS teacher, Youth leader, and a lot of things we use?
Many of these things we use are for the growth of the work of God. I hope my husband has dozens of co pastors, and what ever kind of pastors helping him for he is only one man...

CC1 09-11-2007 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 238663)
I am amazed at the answers here...Why do we enjoy making fun and light of what a person feels led of God to do?
Where does the Bible mention co pastor, SS teacher, Youth leader, and a lot of things we use?
Many of these things we use are for the growth of the work of God. I hope my husband has dozens of co pastors, and what ever kind of pastors helping him for he is only one man...

I agree. I don't particularly care for or agree with the concept Eddie and Sherri and many others are going with but there is no biblical injunction against it and if it works and grows the kingdom of God then I say go for it.

I just personally would want the man preaching to me to be there in flesh and blood if at all possible. If the church was being persecuted or I was homebound I would have no problem being pastored long distance by video but if I am able I will be attending a church where the preacher is preaching to me in person. Just a personal preference.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 09:01 PM

Just as a side note... I wonder how some liberals (No, not you Sherri) would react if a conservative would pull the video thing. Would he then be a power hungry dictator with control issues?

Just thinking out loud... nothing personal Sherri.

Sherri 09-11-2007 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear (Post 238663)
I am amazed at the answers here...Why do we enjoy making fun and light of what a person feels led of God to do?
Where does the Bible mention co pastor, SS teacher, Youth leader, and a lot of things we use?
Many of these things we use are for the growth of the work of God. I hope my husband has dozens of co pastors, and what ever kind of pastors helping him for he is only one man...

Thanks, Sis! I was going to say this exact thing!

Sherri 09-11-2007 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238703)
Just as a side note... I wonder how some liberals (No, not you Sherri) would react if a conservative would pull the video thing. Would he then be a power hungry dictator with control issues?

Just thinking out loud... nothing personal Sherri.

Conservatives are doing this same thing, only without the video. Steadfast has some daughter churches, doesn't he? My brother wants to open daughter works in St. Louis. Do you think those churches will not be under his authority? It's the same concept, only with video instead of live preaching. Trust me, it's a lot easier for the campus pastor!!

Some men have a real gift of administration or mercy, but they are not the best pulpit guys - or maybe don't even feel called that way. This is a great opportunity to use their gifts to their greatest advantage.

tamor 09-11-2007 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 238662)
Ok selling peanut brittle is next.

Nah - it's against our convictions.....:nah

Steve Epley 09-11-2007 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238703)
Just as a side note... I wonder how some liberals (No, not you Sherri) would react if a conservative would pull the video thing. Would he then be a power hungry dictator with control issues?

Just thinking out loud... nothing personal Sherri.

There is a valid thought.

Sherri 09-11-2007 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 238643)
Anyone have the scripture for the "campus pastor" ?

Interesting teaching but can you jell it out with chapter and verse? :)

See Sis. Alvear's answer!!:hypercoffee

Hoovie 09-11-2007 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Sherri (Post 238711)
Conservatives are doing this same thing, only without the video. Steadfast has some daughter churches, doesn't he? My brother wants to open daughter works in St. Louis. Do you think those churches will not be under his authority? It's the same concept, only with video instead of live preaching. Trust me, it's a lot easier for the campus pastor!!

Some men have a real gift of administration or mercy, but they are not the best pulpit guys - or maybe don't even feel called that way. This is a great opportunity to use their gifts to their greatest advantage.

I may be very wrong, but I believe these churches with "daughter works" have as their ultimate goal a total release of the satellite banch. What remains then is a connection of respect and honor for the church that founded them - but no offical ties.

Sherri 09-11-2007 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238716)
I may be very wrong, but I believe these churches with "daughter works" have as their ultimate goal a total release of the satellite banch. What remains then is a connection of respect and honor for the church that founded them - but no offical ties.

Could be, I'm not sure. All of our churches are autonomous, as far as they are all individually incorporated and all have their own bank accounts, except for the one newest work and it will eventually. We do not control the money at these churches, but they do tithe into the central ministry. That money is then distributed for missions at home and abroad.

So, in other words, it's not for control. Just the way we feel like God would have us to do church. And....it's working.

Sherri 09-11-2007 09:22 PM

Our video venue in the back had such an awesome powerful service Sunday morning, they were still in church about a half hour after we were done in the main sanctuary!

stmatthew 09-11-2007 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238716)
I may be very wrong, but I believe these churches with "daughter works" have as their ultimate goal a total release of the satellite banch. What remains then is a connection of respect and honor for the church that founded them - but no offical ties.

I think you are correct there Evangelist Hoover!

At some point in time, those men that are working as "assistant Pastors" should be groomed into taking the responsibility of the church. If they are not, then they will never fulfill their full calling to Pastor while under the "Apostle", and will likely find a church where they can. I believe there is a transition phase, but the end result should be that the daughter work becomes self sufficient and self sustaning, so the Apostle can go out and replicate the process over and over.

Sherri 09-11-2007 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stmatthew (Post 238723)
I think you are correct there Evangelist Hoover!

At some point in time, those men that are working as "assistant Pastors" should be groomed into taking the responsibility of the church. If they are not, then they will never fulfill their full calling to Pastor while under the "Apostle", and will likely find a church where they can. I believe there is a transition phase, but the end result should be that the daughter work becomes self sufficient and self sustaning, so the Apostle can go out and replicate the process over and over.

We're not opposed to this happening in the future. Right now, we have a lot more guys who are qualified as campus pastors, but are not ready to be turned loose completely.

Sister Alvear 09-11-2007 10:21 PM

and don´t turn them loose until they are ready or they will make shipwreck...
A lot of people run their mouth and have 50 or so in Sunday School and gripe and find fault with some one that is reaching out. We have lots of daughter works right here in the city where we live.
If people would stay busy they would find out the JOY of winning souls. I have heard the same old excuse lazy people make...I want quality and not numbers so they polish the same little group for 40 years while sinners die within the sound of their church bells but they remain uninvited and mostly unwanted especially if their color is different and they are not the top class people...shame... shame...

Well don´t get me started I am tired..and it is 1:21 in the morning here and I have company...


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