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Hoovie 09-11-2007 11:37 AM

Anyone into Drum Circles?
 
Anyone involved in, or familiar with Drum Circles?

How about Christian Drum Circles?

revrandy 09-11-2007 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238143)
Anyone involved in, or familiar with Drum Circles?

How about Christian Drum Circles?

I've heard of Crop Circles?? What's a Drum Circle?

Hoovie 09-11-2007 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 238144)
I've heard of Crop Circles?? What's a Drum Circle?

Different meanings for different groups.

Folks gather in a circle - each playing their own drums of choice. It is not a production or entertainment per say, but is an experience for all to participate communally.

Pagan and tribal roots - for sure.

RevDWW 09-11-2007 11:45 AM

Do you get to chant while in the circle banging the drum?


I like drum lines and sometimes they form circles.........:killinme

Hoovie 09-11-2007 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 238152)
Do you get to chant while in the circle banging the drum?


I like drum lines and sometimes they form circles.........:killinme

I am sure that can be incorporated. LOL!

My initial questions are serious - if anyone can comment from experience.

RevDWW 09-11-2007 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238154)
I am sure that can be incorporated. LOL!

My initial questions are serious - if anyone can comment from experience.

I guess it depends on motive. Seems like it's a way for some to let out the "savage" man.
But does drumming get God's attention?
Does God respond to us with a drumming in nature?

Hoovie 09-11-2007 11:54 AM

http://www.ifilm.com/video/2710714?c...r&refsite=7063

Here is an example of a small circle, though it's not really "Christian".

Hoovie 09-11-2007 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW (Post 238157)
I guess it depends on motive. Seems like it's a way for some to let out the "savage" man.
But does drumming get God's attention?
Does God respond to us with a drumming in nature?

Right. Good questions that I would like to see answered in this thread - and hopefully including those who are or have been a part of circles.

Sheltiedad 09-11-2007 11:57 AM

I've never seen that before, but don't see anything wrong with it if done in the right way... it seems like something the new age folks would jump onto. lol.

It could have just been a really big drum circle when they marched around Jericho. ;)

Hoovie 09-11-2007 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheltiedad (Post 238161)
I've never seen that before, but don't see anything wrong with it if done in the right way... it seems like something the new age folks would jump onto. lol.

It could have just been a really big drum circle when they marched around Jericho. ;)

The hippies were into this type thing (along with the weed and long hair) but they are making a huge revival around the world - including some "Christian Circles".

The new agers and pagan types definetly are into them. But I am not sure they need to be ascribed ownership of them all.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 12:03 PM

BTW - I have good reason for asking these questions and any help is appreciated.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 12:04 PM

http://www.drumcircle.com/

Another site

redeemedcynic84 09-11-2007 12:15 PM

you guys have got to be kidding with the "pagan tribal roots" stuff, right???

Because I could take pretty much any part of Christianity and find a pagan religion/culture that does something similar... You realize that, right??

Stop singling out things that you don't understand culturally (and to a point racially) to make these statements against...

deadeye 09-11-2007 12:18 PM

Looks about as exciting as watching paint dry....

deadeye 09-11-2007 12:19 PM

Anybody with half a brain can tell that this is simply New Age, Pagan, Occultic, GARBAGE!!!!!

Of course a lot of folks on here unfortunately dont seem to be blessed with even half a brain.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84 (Post 238171)
you guys have got to be kidding with the "pagan tribal roots" stuff, right???

Because I could take pretty much any part of Christianity and find a pagan religion/culture that does something similar... You realize that, right??

Stop singling out things that you don't understand culturally (and to a point racially) to make these statements against...

I hear you... I have no judgement in my posts (at least - yet)

The hand drumming circles are tribal and pagan in orgin - at least from my brief research. I am not sure that it matters a great deal though... Christianity mostly redefined Christmas and Easter too...

I am concerned that most all organized Drum Circles espouse at least some anti - biblical mission statements and goals... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_circle ... not sure why those could not be redefined for Jesus.



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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A drum circle is any group of people playing (usually) hand-drums and percussion in a circle. Other instruments and dance can also be incorporated into the drum circle. They are distinct from a drumming group or troupe in that the drum circle is an end in itself rather than preparation for a performance. They can range in size from a handful of players to circles with thousands of participants.

In 1991, during testimony before the United States Senate Special Committee on Aging, Grateful Dead drummer Mickey Hart stated:

Typically, people gather to drum in drum "circles" with others from the surrounding community. The drum circle offers equality because there is no head or tail. It includes people of all ages. The main objective is to share rhythm and get in tune with each other and themselves. To form a group consciousness. To entrain and resonate. By entrainment, I mean that a new voice, a collective voice, emerges from the group as they drum together. [1]

Hoovie 09-11-2007 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye (Post 238174)
Anybody with half a brain can tell that this is simply New Age, Pagan, Occultic, GARBAGE!!!!!

Of course a lot of folks on here unfortunately dont seem to be blessed with even half a brain.

Very much my first thoughts after brief exposure.

But, perhaps it need not be so?

I am rethinking it a bit.

Steadfast 09-11-2007 12:35 PM

I'm not generally out of touch but this is something I've NEVER heard of in Pentecostal circles.

You learn something new every day!

Sheltiedad 09-11-2007 12:39 PM

seems more manly than the stick things. lol.

Joseph 09-11-2007 12:41 PM

Talk about opening ones self up to demonic spirits.............

Ferd 09-11-2007 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 238144)
I've heard of Crop Circles?? What's a Drum Circle?

that is what I was going to say! LOL!

redeemedcynic84 09-11-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238177)
I hear you... I have no judgement in my posts (at least - yet)

The hand drumming circles are tribal and pagan in orgin - at least from my brief research. I am not sure that it matters a great deal though... Christianity mostly redefined Christmas and Easter too...

I am concerned that most all organized Drum Circles espouse at least some anti - biblical mission statements and goals... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drum_circle ... not sure why those could not be redefined for Jesus.



From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
• Learn more about using Wikipedia for research •Jump to: navigation, search
A drum circle is any group of people playing (usually) hand-drums and percussion in a circle. Other instruments and dance can also be incorporated into the drum circle. They are distinct from a drumming group or troupe in that the drum circle is an end in itself rather than preparation for a performance. They can range in size from a handful of players to circles with thousands of participants.

In 1991, during testimony before the United States Senate Special Committee on Aging, Grateful Dead drummer Mickey Hart stated:

Typically, people gather to drum in drum "circles" with others from the surrounding community. The drum circle offers equality because there is no head or tail. It includes people of all ages. The main objective is to share rhythm and get in tune with each other and themselves. To form a group consciousness. To entrain and resonate. By entrainment, I mean that a new voice, a collective voice, emerges from the group as they drum together. [1]

I don't see how what the Grateful Dead guy said could even be seen as bad... They drum together becuase it promotes unity and a sense of community among people...

If it actually works it sounds like something we all should be doing....

and, yeah, drum circles appear in pagan tribal cultures... But I would be massively surprised if the Grateful Dead got the drum circle idea from African tribes....

redeemedcynic84 09-11-2007 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Joseph (Post 238188)
Talk about opening ones self up to demonic spirits.............

you can't just make statements like this and expect to be taken seriously...

You need to support what you say, why do you feel this is opening oneself up to demonic spirits???

Because people use it to contact demons??? People pray to contact demons, too, so should we stop praying to God, too, along with not "drum circling" to God???

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84 (Post 238256)
I don't see how what the Grateful Dead guy said could even be seen as bad... They drum together becuase it promotes unity and a sense of community among people...If it actually works it sounds like something we all should be doing....

and, yeah, drum circles appear in pagan tribal cultures... But I would be massively surprised if the Grateful Dead got the drum circle idea from African tribes....

Oh I agree, and that is why I posted that portion. But, I provided the Wik link where there is plenty that is not so good with links to Drum Circles.

MissBrattified 09-11-2007 01:28 PM

Okay...this seems to be not much different from a bunch of musicians getting together and jamming...however...I would be VERY careful what sort of group I got together with...certainly music is a very powerful force (including percussion). People have used it to summon demonic forces, and David used it to drive away evil spirits that were tormenting King Saul.

So...I don't know. It isn't the rhythm that worries me...or a group of musicians...its the purpose behind it, and who you join up with that would be of a greater concern.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 238183)
I'm not generally out of touch but this is something I've NEVER heard of in Pentecostal circles.

You learn something new every day!

steady, The Pentecostal drum circles are still under developement This thread speaks of "Drum Circles" and "Christian" in a general sense. I am not aware of any sizable Drum Circles currently among Apostolics, though hand drumming is becoming popular.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 238269)
Okay...this seems to be not much different from a bunch of musicians getting together and jamming...however...I would be VERY careful what sort of group I got together with...certainly music is a very powerful force (including percussion). People have used it to summon demonic forces, and David used it to drive away evil spirits that were tormenting King Saul.

So...I don't know. It isn't the rhythm that worries me...or a group of musicians...its the purpose behind it, and who you join up with that would be of a greater concern.


And there ya go. Is this a good thing for a youth group?

POSSIBLY a great outreach tool?? I just don't know...

of course I am a hard core ultra Conservative myself, but I am sort of drawn to this idea.

Esther 09-11-2007 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84 (Post 238258)
you can't just make statements like this and expect to be taken seriously...

You need to support what you say, why do you feel this is opening oneself up to demonic spirits???

Because people use it to contact demons??? People pray to contact demons, too, so should we stop praying to God, too, along with not "drum circling" to God???

A little defensive, huh?

MissBrattified 09-11-2007 01:32 PM

As a musician, I have made careful choices about what I involve myself in. I have known Apostolic musicians who play jazz in local clubs on Friday nights, and church on Sunday. I can't do that...maybe it isn't a sin, but I know how caught up in music I can get, and so I want to make sure I'm getting passionate about the right stuff and with the right people.

I'm not completely against secular music...and I listen to some things...but on the other hand, I believe that God is the one who gave me this gift, and I have an obligation to use it in a way that honors Him. So...without ruling something out simply because of a preconceived idea...I would ask myself some questions....based on my own convictions.

MissBrattified 09-11-2007 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238273)
And there ya go. Is this a good thing for a youth group?

POSSIBLY a great outreach tool?? I just don't know... of course I am a hard core ultra Conservative myself.

My husband have been sitting at the dinner table before and he'll tap his glass, and I'll knock the table, and the kids will make another sound, and before you know it we have a rhythm going, and we're all laughing and having fun...so obviously a "drum circle" wouldn't be much different from that. It sounds like fun, in a wholesome setting. :)

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 238277)
My husband have been sitting at the dinner table before and he'll tap his glass, and I'll knock the table, and the kids will make another sound, and before you know it we have a rhythm going, and we're all laughing and having fun...so obviously a "drum circle" wouldn't be much different from that. It sounds like fun, in a wholesome setting. :)

Right.

I am not talking about attending any weed smoking circles... obviously it needs to be clearly about Jesus.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:38 PM

I think it may be compared to a Christian Coffee House setting but with the advantage of everyone participating in the music.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:41 PM

"They are distinct from a drumming group or troupe in that the drum circle is an end in itself rather than preparation for a performance."

I find this Wikpedia quote interesting.

MissBrattified 09-11-2007 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238287)
I think it may be compared to a Christian Coffee House setting but with the advantage of everyone participating in the music.

We had a kids' musical at our church a couple of summers ago, and it was called "Stomp'N'Praise", based on Stomp. They made their own percussion "instruments", and learned songs, and then we had a guest drum teacher from another church come in and do a special session with them. He brought his collection of percussion instruments, (there was something for all the kids to try out), and they worked on playing rhythms together. The kids had a blast!

So I'm sticking with my original assessment...that its the purpose that matters. Not the type of instrument or the shape into which the chairs are arranged. LOL!

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 238294)
We had a kids' musical at our church a couple of summers ago, and it was called "Stomp'N'Praise", based on Stomp. They made their own percussion "instruments", and learned songs, and then we had a guest drum teacher from another church come in and do a special session with them. He brought his collection of percussion instruments, (there was something for all the kids to try out), and they worked on playing rhythms together. The kids had a blast!

So I'm sticking with my original assessment...that its the purpose that matters. Not the type of instrument or the shape into which the chairs are arranged. LOL!

Thanks.

:) We may be able to do a "drum cross", though the circle is very condusive to gathering around a bon fire.

I like the idea of everyone being involved - young, old, talented or not.

redeemedcynic84 09-11-2007 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther (Post 238274)
A little defensive, huh?

no, I'm not defensive, I'm just sick and tired of people making outrageous, absurd statements and never having anything to back them up other than "I said its evil, so deal with it"...

I've had enough of that... If you can't back up saying something is wrong, don't say it... period...

Joseph 09-11-2007 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84 (Post 238309)
no, I'm not defensive, I'm just sick and tired of people making outrageous, absurd statements and never having anything to back them up other than "I said its evil, so deal with it"...

I've had enough of that... If you can't back up saying something is wrong, don't say it... period...

what a......................whats the word.....................cynic you are!!! :killinme


Do I have to run all my posts by you, oh great fellowship hall monitor prior to my posting them?? :nah

Hoovie 09-11-2007 06:26 PM

:bumpsign:rockbandBUMP! For the Evening Crowd

seguidordejesus 09-11-2007 06:42 PM

I like drum circles. Unfortunately, my girth makes it a little difficult to play the drum upon which I am seated :) I can't comment on whether they're ok to do or not...sometimes it's all I can do to care about that :)

Praxeas 09-11-2007 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238143)
Anyone involved in, or familiar with Drum Circles?

How about Christian Drum Circles?

Is that like crop circles? :driving


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