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Steadfast 09-11-2007 12:45 PM

Apostolic Teaching: Who Stands Out?
 
Got a question for you. I'm a preacher by 'nature' of my calling and nothing drives me more than to dig out a good message and preach my socks off. Traditionally most in an emotional Pentecostal environment see Apostolic teaching as something less than 'powerful' and, yea, even sometimes boring. In short, I think teaching gets a bum rap as it's vitally important to the Apostolic structure.

However, while I'm a preacher at heart I'm also a Pastor and the longer I lead my people the more need I see for Apostolic teaching. By this I mean that I've learned through time that preaching inspires but teaching impacts and makes an eternal influence in the lives of people. My greatest converts are the ones that have laid hold on my teaching... MUCH more than those that just enjoy my preaching.

So herein is my premise; if teaching is so important then who are some of the great Bible teachers? I'm asking for some specific names both past and present that you heard in a Church setting, a Campmeeting or a Conference setting that (a) kept your attention or (b) put something in your understanding that changed your walk with God forever.

I have to say, looking back, one of the greatest teachers that I've ever heard... one who made a great impact on my spirit... was Charles Grisham. His tender spirit and simple insight to the Word ALWAYS moves me.

Steadfast 09-11-2007 12:48 PM

Another name that comes to mind is Bishop Morris E. Golder. The guy was without a doubt a great Bible teacher. He made complex things sound so simple.

That may be another good aspect to consider in this thread as well; what makes 'good' teaching?

Complex things made simple enough to understand?
Teaching that still has enough life to keep your attention?
Questions and answers allowed?

MissBrattified 09-11-2007 12:49 PM

Charles Grisham comes to mind...but another one of my favorites was Bro. Fred Gill...ALJC, I think...he always taught Very Long Sessions...but even as a child, he completely held my attention.

I have to say...my Pastor is one of the best teachers I have ever heard.

MissBrattified 09-11-2007 12:51 PM

I think that to be a good teacher, you must be able to make profound things easy to understand. Lots of ministers are smart and knowledgeable...but that makes them scholars, not good teachers.

Forgiven 09-11-2007 12:51 PM

One of my favorite teachers is not apostolic. I'd mention his name, but then it would give so many an opportunity to bash him and it would be okay for them to do so because he's not an "apostolic" minister. (insert smilie rolling eyes here)

Sometimes he can say more in 5 minutes than some apostolic teachers I've heard could get across in hours of teaching.

Steadfast 09-11-2007 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 238198)
Charles Grisham comes to mind...but another one of my favorites was Bro. Fred Gill...ALJC, I think...he always taught Very Long Sessions...but even as a child, he completely held my attention.

I have to say...my Pastor is one of the best teachers I have ever heard.

Never heard of Fred Gill. Does he have a son that Pastors in Indiana?

Forgiven 09-11-2007 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 238203)
I think that to be a good teacher, you must be able to make profound things easy to understand. Lots of ministers are smart and knowledgeable...but that makes them scholars, not good teachers.

That's how I'd describe the minister/teacher I spoke of in my post above. However, I can't bring myself to mention his name because I do not wish to see him ripped to shreds by the people on here who would say he's not teaching "the truth."

Steadfast 09-11-2007 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forgiven (Post 238206)
One of my favorite teachers is not apostolic. I'd mention his name, but then it would give so many an opportunity to bash him and it would be okay for them to do so because he's not an "apostolic" minister. (insert smilie rolling eyes here)

Sometimes he can say more in 5 minutes than some apostolic teachers I've heard could get across in hours of teaching.

I understand. I did speak of Apostolic teaching so it may not be applicable. Surely you know of someone among the Apostolic ranks that is a great teacher don't you?

MissBrattified 09-11-2007 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 238208)
Never heard of Fred Gill. Does he have a son that Pastors in Indiana?

His son's name is Tim Gill. I don't know where TG pastors....

Esther 09-11-2007 12:55 PM

Surprising Billy Cole teaching at La Camp meeting, was a good teacher.

Steadfast 09-11-2007 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MissBrattified (Post 238203)
I think that to be a good teacher, you must be able to make profound things easy to understand. Lots of ministers are smart and knowledgeable...but that makes them scholars, not good teachers.

I would agree wholeheartedly.

I'm serious about this thread because I do want to be a good teacher. The longer I live the more need I see for teaching.

Malvaro 09-11-2007 12:57 PM

Elder Jack Yonts, he's an EXCELLENT teacher
J.T. Pugh, I still kinda remember an astounding message "Seasons of Time"
Billy Cole, i recall him teaching in good depth at WI camps years ago
Tommy Craft, I liked hearing his stories growing up on a farm :D
Bro Grisham was kinda long-winded though, from what I remember
John Grant, from Madison WI is another solid teacher
probably numerous more, but all from oldest living generation....

good teachers are a fading bunch.... the Pentecostal movement has trained up generation after generation of preachers that share the Word with an expectation of an immediate, and visible, emotional response.... and if it's not there, than something must be wrong.... some also associate loud volume with being the same as being anointed too.... :D

Steve Epley 09-11-2007 12:59 PM

Yes Elder Gill's son pastors the Medora church he married M.L. Walls' daughter.
Teachers:
James Groce doctrinal-indepth Bible subjects
the late R. C. Cavaness
Dallas Mefford
Bill Garrett
Roger Evens
A.W. Buie
Phillip Burbridge
M.L. Walls
P.L. Scott

Nahum 09-11-2007 01:04 PM

Steadfast, I share your love for Brother Grisham's teaching. Someone said he is long-winded, I say "who cares?"

Brother Littles' teaching (from UGST) captures my attention as well.

I know you said Apostolic teachers, but I love to hear Chuck Swindoll teach. Perry Stone is very good as well.

Malvaro 09-11-2007 01:05 PM

It is likely that there are people that I graduated with that still can't teach their way outta a wet paperbag.... imo, through the years I think that the ministry of a teacher has been discouraged and squelched.... it nearly seems like the place of a teacher has been completely relegated to a) the local pastor teaching the flock and/or b) academic in context via books, seminars, etc....

revrandy 09-11-2007 01:06 PM

Dr. Dan Segraves is probaby one of Pentecosts greatest teachers...

Esther 09-11-2007 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 238228)
Steadfast, I share your love for Brother Grisham's teaching. Someone said he is long-winded, I say "who cares?"

Brother Littles' teaching (from UGST) captures my attention as well.

I know you said Apostolic teachers, but I love to hear Chuck Swindoll teach. Perry Stone is very good as well.

I agree.

Esther 09-11-2007 01:08 PM

Although I have never had the priviledge to hear him I have heard Bro. Griffin is great, from TBC.

revrandy 09-11-2007 01:10 PM

Ruth Reider

Ferd 09-11-2007 01:10 PM

I guess we could all run down a list of preachers that were great teachers.

JT Pugh is one of the best there ever was if you ask me.

but honestly I have long thought that there are many God called teachers that have never held a title of preacher on any level. They are none the less talented and anointed teachers.

My dad is the best teacher I ever heard. He never once preached a sermon or ever tried to mark himself as a minister on any level. But before dad started teaching new converts in the 1970's at the church back home, new converts were simply not sticking. after, retention was unbelievable.

I suspect that this is the norm in really good churches. I think we think the 5 fold ministry means preachers that are one or more of the 5.

I think there are a lot of men who meet the criteria for the "teacher" who are not preachers at all.

Steve Epley 09-11-2007 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 238237)
Dr. Dan Segraves is probaby one of Pentecosts greatest teachers...

I have read his books but never have got to hear him. I was told another certain famous author will put you sound asleep? I have never heard him either.

True Believer 09-11-2007 01:13 PM

Darrell Johns is a great teacher (and preacher). There has not really been a service that you don't get something out of what he teaches.

revrandy 09-11-2007 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 238248)
I have read his books but never have got to hear him. I was told another certain famous author will put you sound asleep? I have never heard him either.

He doesn't put folks to sleep... he is very interesting to listen to.. he teaches with spirit..

Tina 09-11-2007 01:28 PM

People that I'd consider great teachers most of you probably wouldn't even recognize their names because they aren't big name preachers.

Bro Gary Porterfield
Bro James Chessor
Bro Jamie Chessor
Bro John Creasy
Bro Billy White
Bro Burton Gaar
Bro Dewayne Kirk
Bro James Crocker
Bro John Wilbanks (at least he used to be... haven't heard him in several years)
Bro Bill Luther

Non apostolics that I like to hear teach
Chuck Swindoll
James Dobson
Paul Shepard
Max Lucado

MrsBOOMM 09-11-2007 01:41 PM

I don't know if anyone would know him on here, but Denver Stanford, Sr was a great teacher in my teen years. He taught the Youth at youth camp several years in a row. He kept our attention and dug some ground.

Steadfast 09-11-2007 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 238237)
Dr. Dan Segraves is probaby one of Pentecosts greatest teachers...

Ironically I've never heard Dan Seagraves before. Not one time.

revrandy 09-11-2007 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 238308)
Ironically I've never heard Dan Seagraves before. Not one time.

Were you at Conference when he taught against the "Divine Flesh" doctrine?

after that service he had meetings scheduled for two years..

Steadfast 09-11-2007 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malvaro (Post 238221)
Elder Jack Yonts, he's an EXCELLENT teacher
J.T. Pugh, I still kinda remember an astounding message "Seasons of Time"
Billy Cole, i recall him teaching in good depth at WI camps years ago
Tommy Craft, I liked hearing his stories growing up on a farm :D
Bro Grisham was kinda long-winded though, from what I remember
John Grant, from Madison WI is another solid teacher
probably numerous more, but all from oldest living generation....

good teachers are a fading bunch.... the Pentecostal movement has trained up generation after generation of preachers that share the Word with an expectation of an immediate, and visible, emotional response.... and if it's not there, than something must be wrong.... some also associate loud volume with being the same as being anointed too.... :D

Good list... I've heard all but about 3 of them teach.

Steadfast 09-11-2007 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 238222)
Yes Elder Gill's son pastors the Medora church he married M.L. Walls' daughter.
Teachers:
James Groce doctrinal-indepth Bible subjects
the late R. C. Cavaness
Dallas Mefford
Bill Garrett
Roger Evens
A.W. Buie
Phillip Burbridge
M.L. Walls
P.L. Scott

I've met the son a couple times.

I've never heard Groce though I've wanted to due to things I've heard.

Caveness - great teaching and he didn't relegate it to standards stuff that some accused him of. GOOD stuff.

Never heard Buie teach but suspect he was incredibe.

Don't guess I've heard any of the others.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 238308)
Ironically I've never heard Dan Seagraves before. Not one time.


I think he is possibly the finest teacher in the UPC.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:54 PM

Just as a sidenote... I have met the Father and the Son. :)

revrandy 09-11-2007 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 238320)
Just as a sidenote... I have met the Father and the Son. :)

His Son posted on here for awhile..

Steadfast 09-11-2007 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster (Post 238228)
Steadfast, I share your love for Brother Grisham's teaching. Someone said he is long-winded, I say "who cares?"

Brother Littles' teaching (from UGST) captures my attention as well.

I know you said Apostolic teachers, but I love to hear Chuck Swindoll teach. Perry Stone is very good as well.

I'm the same on Bro. Grisham: who cares?!? He's incredible.

I heard Bro. Littles once and he did very well. Kind of had to 'stay on the trail' or you could lose him. :hypercoffee

revrandy 09-11-2007 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 238322)
I'm the same on Bro. Grisham: who cares?!? He's incredible.

I heard Bro. Littles once and he did very well. Kind of had to 'stay on the trail' or you could lose him. :hypercoffee

Here's a thought...

Have we in Pentecost concentrated our efforts on Preaching so much we have created a Attention Disorder when it comes to teaching??

Theophilus 09-11-2007 01:57 PM

Jesus.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 238321)
His Son posted on here for awhile..

He that hath the Son hath the Father also. :killinme

Steadfast 09-11-2007 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 238247)
I guess we could all run down a list of preachers that were great teachers.

JT Pugh is one of the best there ever was if you ask me.

but honestly I have long thought that there are many God called teachers that have never held a title of preacher on any level. They are none the less talented and anointed teachers.

My dad is the best teacher I ever heard. He never once preached a sermon or ever tried to mark himself as a minister on any level. But before dad started teaching new converts in the 1970's at the church back home, new converts were simply not sticking. after, retention was unbelievable.

I suspect that this is the norm in really good churches. I think we think the 5 fold ministry means preachers that are one or more of the 5.

I think there are a lot of men who meet the criteria for the "teacher" who are not preachers at all.

Absolute truth. I knew a man in Indiana that was a horrid preacher with a very uncomely disposition (name withheld for obvious reasons) but was a great Pastor due to one key factor: he was a great teacher who conveyed basic Apostolic doctrines with undisputable clarity.

He admitted he was not a good preacher and some folks didn't like his personality. But they loved his knowledge of the Bible.

Steadfast 09-11-2007 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 238311)
Were you at Conference when he taught against the "Divine Flesh" doctrine?

after that service he had meetings scheduled for two years..

Guess not... but I suspect it would be very interesting to say the least.

Hoovie 09-11-2007 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steadfast (Post 238330)
Absolute truth. I knew a man in Indiana that was a horrid preacher with a very uncomely disposition (name withheld for obvious reasons) but was a great Pastor due to one key factor: he was a great teacher who conveyed basic Apostolic doctrines with undisputable clarity.

He admitted he was not a good preacher and some folks didn't like his personality. But they loved his knowledge of the Bible.

I really never thought that of Bro. Mooney myself - but he does have Bible knowledge!

Steadfast 09-11-2007 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 238324)
Here's a thought...

Have we in Pentecost concentrated our efforts on Preaching so much we have created a Attention Disorder when it comes to teaching??

A resounding 'yes' is in order here.

I've preached various Camps for years but this past year is the first time I've been the Bible Teacher at a camp. I have to admit that I really, really enjoyed it!

But, then again, I put a LOT of time into my studies and use PowerPoint and all the visuals, etc., when possible. My Church LOVES when I do 'series' teachings and, honestly, I do too. It take a lot more time to put the studies together (I do all my own stuff) but I can use one series for sometimes months at a time.


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