IF Res 4 Does NOT Pass??
 

Many Cons have stated plainly that they will leave if the Res 4 passes. I am curious to know what those that are supporting Res 4 will do if it does not pass.

Will you go ahead and start advertising anyway?
Will there be another "Resolution Run" at a future GC?
Will you leave the Org?
Will you back away and just let it go, allowing that the Org is settled in NOT having tv as a viable means of evangelizing?



and lastly..........................










Will you get rid of the TV you have ready and waiting for a passed resolution? :)

Matt, with all due respect, as someone who is not a part of the org, why do you care?

I have heard with my own ears one of the most important men from Hazelwood say that this might as well pass now, because it's just going to keep coming up until it finally does, because the top leadership of the UPC wants it to.

OF COURSE I WON'T GET RID OF MY TV....it's football season!:amen

Why shouldn't I care??

1. I have a son that is currently looking to license with the UPCI in a few years.
2. I have friends (ministry and saints) that I care about in the Org.
3. And I am on a discussion board that is very good about talking about UPC events.



These reasons are enough for me to ask the question.

I agree about the res coming up over and over. In so many ways we are all just waiting for a particular generation and it's mindset to die off.

We must stay in this wilderness until all of their carcasses become a prey. Then we can claim our inheritance.

Fair enough.

In answer to your question, I don't know that the resolution passing is the "be all and end all" cure for what ails the org. Most of us wouldn't leave over this one issue.

You know, I would hope all of those who are in the org who have T.V's would turn in their licences, and do what's right, but the reality of it is they have not done it yet. They sign when they get thier license and each year an affidavit that states they do not have a television in their home. So they need to repent and either get rid of their televisions or get out. "All liars shall have their place in the lake of fire." I don't care how good you can speak.

BTW, it won't pass unless some esteemed elder who has historically opposed the issue changes his mind and speaks for it.

Even though i'm on the "right' side of this issue I still want to voice my opinion. I hope that all the liberals that have TV in thier homes get out of the UPC. All those that have already lied on their AS need to LEAVE. In fact they shouldn't even be allowed to vote. If we had leadership with a backbone they would kick those liars out of the org.

I am cracking up at the way this is worded!!! :killinme


:bow:tvhappy

Blah, blah, blah, blah.


What a simpleton statement.

I suppose everyone who violates any of the "stongly disapproved of" issues needs to do the same? That would leave about two people from Kansas left in the UPC.

I'll tell you what! I happen to know a large group of young men who will not let the truth die off, so you will die waiting for those who stand for holiness to die off. God is raising up men with integrity who will not stand for anything less, no matter what anyone thinks.

I haven't heard anyone say they would leave if it did not pass. I think everyone knows that due to the emergence of technology they will be able to be on soon anyways without going against the manual.

If it fails this year it is only avoiding the inevitable for a short time.

Just for the record, not all those hoping for Res. 4 to pass have television. I know many who are wanting this resolution to pass and they (including ourselves) have never had television and probably never will.

I haven't met anyone under, say, 30 who actually understand/agrees with all the standards...

I'd be interested in meeting these "young men" who think pants are evil and advertising on TV is different than broadcasting 24/7 via the Internet, etc., etc., etc....

You should get out more. Every great preacher I can think of that has a great revival church is strong on standards, strong against tv and loves souls.

Now I do have to say in all fairness that there are many who write in that they disagree with this and then sign it. So we can't be calling everyone a liar.

And also, the Manual does NOT Prohibit Video watching of wholesome entertainment. And since it does NOT define WHOLESOME, this is left to the minister's discretion.

You must live in a hole or something.

Large, I doubt it.

Something tells me that you would not know what holiness was if it bit you on your backside.:nod

Hello...if they ask you a question and you answer no, and you have one ummm that would be considered lying. If they don't agree then they need to switch organizations

I am glad you know me so well. Thanks

:killinme:killinme:killinme

Actually, they are suppose to be either preaching videos or educational.

Well you and I are obviously not talking to the same people.

My friend Bro Riggen would be there.

i don't have a TV...i have an LCD......:muwahaha
last time I read my affirmation statement it didn't say anything about TV's that I can remember.
When I first got licensed nine years ago, I was honest when I signed my application....I didn't personally own one at the time....though the house I lived in at that time did have TV's they weren't mine nor was the house, so I was honest :nod

You don't get around much do you? You must live Louisana, land of the liberals.

Hey Salty,

The resolution is not gonna pass. Maybe next year you can present a new resolution that will bypass federal and state laws and grant a committee power to search and sieze televisions from all of those liars homes.

Hello.............


If the Men elected allow it to pass, then it is the ORG itself that has a fault. But to call men liars that state that they do not agree with it, and then sign their name, is faulty logic.

And you seem to be unread in the Manual anyway, as the Manual does not prohibit a TV if it is being used for video purposes. Would youlike me to post the bylaw here??? HELLO!!!!!!!!!...................

Seriously there are some who will use any excuse to do as they please. Well when I got licenced nine years ago I was only married to one woman. Boy that makes it so much better, do you hear yourself??

Maybe you should get your manual out and read over the articles of faith. After doing that you need to call up your Super Int and tell you need to turn in your card because you no longer can follow the manual.

What's your address?

That's a great idea!!

Yes, and the manual is soooo much more important than God's holy Word.

no, definately not a hole...

I've met tons of people who understand submission and who follow the standards even though they disagree with them...

But I've yet to meet someone my age who actually agrees with/understands them...

Especially ones like the pants issue... We grew up in a world where 99% of the women around us wore pants, we don't see pants as only a man's garmant, no matter how much it is drilled into our head in church... it just doesn't make sense in the society we live in...

and most people my age realize that the Internet = tv in pretty much ever way and, if there is a difference, the internet is worse...

SO if we pass reso #4 through, we're letting the truth die off?
C'mon man.

I happen to also know a large group of young men who want change. Not because we're "going Charasmatic" but we want change because we want CONSISTANCY in our teachings.
The UPC, has a long list of don'ts, a even longer list of "grey areas"

Why is it so strange to you that those of us not UPC but who have either had a past in it or lots of friends and relatives still in it are interested in what happens with the UPC?

I repeatedly see these responses when a thread or post addresses issues within the UPC by a non upcer.

:killinme

Are you for real????? lol
I'm wondering if you are here just to stir the pot.

It's not better but if you hold a credentials then you did say that you would live by it. If you go against that know, then it's time for you to leave.