Ken Phillips preaches on the Revelation of Jesus Name
 

I have seen a lot of discussion about Promiseland (Phillips/Suber) church recently, (I knew nothing about promiseland until this forum), but from the discussion I started to conclude that this church is far removed from preaching the necessity of Acts 2:38. I am glad I came across this short video, otherwise I would have concluded that this was an apostate church.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlNQQhSqd_Y

KP does indeed hold to the Water/Spirit doctrine and is solidly Oneness in doctrine.

However, his associations thru the years have been across the board, having preached for trinitarians and he has had trinitarians preach for him.

His assocations now range from Water/Spirit people to folk with what we call the PCI doctrine.

His son's doctrinal views are not nearly as strong as KPs.

What is his doctrinal view????














:D

Honestly I think he spent too much time with the wrong people growing up! I think his view is pretty much what the rest of Christiandom is. what ever that is.

Does he have one?? :meetya

Randy is diluted PCI.

hee hee. I almost said that!

oh my

Wait until CC1 sees this!

Nothing wrong with being PCI (though I don't agree), but Randy is diluted PCI. How many parts of water to one part of bleach? Now add three times the water.

LOL!!! Anybody who knows much about KP knows that Acts 2:38 IS his entire ministry. That has been his passion and burden for many years. To take the Acts 2:38 message to the world.

Any associations with trinitarians has been with that end in mind. He is not y our typical exUPC church that is what we refer to as PCI in doctrine on AFF.

He is a PAJC three stepper all the way.

What exactly do you mean here? You have made a very broad assertion with no specificity.

What do you think is different about RP than most exUPC PCI churches like Christ Church, Mike Hayes Covenant Church, etc, etc.?

Sounds to me like you just wanted to make a flamboyent statement with nothing to back it up. How is RP any more or less diluted than other PCI folks?

I don't know ...but it does seem to me that PCD are still just three guys who like to write songs & sing..and worship... I don't or haven't seen them really get stuck on themselves... like some others still singing in UPC circles...

It was a statement not meant for YOUR reaction, LoL. Good grief, I was hoping some CON would run with it...:sshhh

I haven't been on in a while, and I needed a little drama.

PCD, my favorite group. :)

hey, I agree with you 100%

my "oh my" was more about how accurate your comment was, and the implications of that.

I have said this before but it is worth repeating.

I have a sister that has completely rejected any form of standards that we OPs have held. She likes Pentecostal church but will not go to one that is even remotely connected to some form of standards.

She visited MHs church in the Dallas area and reported to me that she would not go back there because "that isnt real"

her words not mine.

CC1, much of what is termed as PCI these days doesnt resemble the PCI men of old. RP is diluted PCI and so are a bunch more. there isnt a dimes worth of difference between them and the local methodist church.

:sshhh shoosh... I'm trying to dodge it...

Wouldn't it be nice if we could unify anyways? They still preach Oneness and Acts 2:38...

I doubt Berk was referring to the PCI guys of 50 years ago. It seemed he was comparing RP to other PCI folks and I found it bizarre he would imply that RP was somehow less than they are.

UPC folks get excited enough about the PCI view so now I guess the new thing is going to be to try and taint people by claiming they are not even that.

Oh, and I am editing this to rebuke you for saying there is not a dimes worth of difference between the PCI folks of today like myself and CC and a methodist church. That is either a lie or just ignorance talking. I am surprised at you. Or you are yanking my chain. You would never confuse the teaching, preaching, or presence of God at CC with a Methodist church.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPS! !!!!!!!

CC1 Pianoman said his son-in-law had not heard anything about the HGB and was thinking of taking him to some Trinitarian church where they preached about the HGB. That is what I think they were talking about. I read where a great number of AG pastors have not claimed to have recieved the HGB. So in truth they are a watered down AG. I imagine there are probably some that yet preach about it. But the PCI of yesteryear preached Acts 2:38 and some as much or more fervently than PAJC men even though they did not accept the water & Spirit teaching.

I agree and have posted before that the PCI folks of today are far different than those of many years ago. As we both have noted in the past you could attend a PCI church for years and never realize it was any different than a PAJC one many years ago as there was such empahsis on the HGB and water baptism.

I still contend that it is a gross error, lie, or ignorance to contend that churches like Christ Church are just like Methodist churches. That is just ignorant.

I did not say that. NOT GUILTY.

Diluted???? Please define???

The attitude of some on here and the way they set themselves up to judge others shows that they are "DILUTED" and "POLLUTED"

Who gave any of you the right to stand as Lord and Judge. Many of you should be rebuked in the very name that we baptize.....Jesus!

My question is how many services would someone have to attend before they recognized any distinction between Christ Church and say a Baptist church? Only asking not implying?

Alright, you got me. Ive been properly taken to task. I appologize for lumping all of you in the same boat.

I know that you are no where near the methodist. However, I do know there are many who are very much like any ortodox penticostal denomination. RP has move a long way from where his dad is. you mentioned a guy in the Dallas area that....well, i dont take back what ive already said about that.

but, I do appologize for taking way too much liberty. I am sorry.

Ferd, you know how much I respect your intellect. I think that is why it rubbed me the wrong way so badly!

I appreciate your words here and all is well.

Well lets see, How many Baptist churches have tongue and interpretation? I would say Christ Church nashville has that in the main service at least three or four times a year.

The presence of God is very strong at just about every service despite the lack of shockamoo. I doubt that is the case in most Baptist churches.

We baptize in Jesus name. Doubt that happens at the Baptist church.

I agree with everything here! Even though Christ Church is more subdued than our church, I still always feel the powerful touch of God in their services. It's just a different style, but still very anointed.

I was just at CC the beginning of the month. The Lord really moved there. My father that has been away from the Lord for a while really was blessed. The worship and the message was spot on. There was a thick anointing there. I would recommend everyone trying it out before they past judgement!

I'm trying to get my dad to go to Jabo Green's church. He doesn't go anywhere and his wife is Baptist, although a former member of Osteen's church.

I'd settle for Grace Church Humble I think. I don't think he'd like it there, though, although I enjoyed the service.

I went to Christ Church once and there were numerous long flat boxes under the front pews making rattling sounds.... ain't gonna see that in no baptist church!


J/K!


I very much enjoyed the service though, and the choir. Was a bit disappointed at the absence of the much touted "liturgical" worship. :)

LOL! well i guess I bit off more than I can chew. I PROMISE that Christ Church was NOT in my mind when i went with the "methodist" comment.

Ah-ha! A veiled reference to KP????:killinme

diluted?
or
deluded?

I didn't watch the whole video but he sure came out strong as a "three-stepper." I noticed he quoted 1 John 5:8 and said
the blood is repentance
the water is baptism in Jesus' name
the Spirit is the Holy Ghost speaking with tongues.

"the blood is repentance" ---does that mean forgiveness/remission at repentance?

He may be a 3 stepper, but if he is, he knowingly puts unsaved men behind his pulpit to preach to his church.