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crazyhomie 09-21-2007 08:33 AM

My Sin or Your Sin
 
Below you will be reading an excerpt from a chapter in by book titled "Prisoners of the Past" - Overcoming the sins of others by the power of forgiveness.


My Sin or Your Sin?
The word “sin”, can be defined as a wrongdoing against God’s command and nature; a shameful act that defies God’s holiness. I John 3:4 reads...
Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Sin cannot enter into God’s kingdom. If sin is present in the heart of a believer, that sin must be immediately removed or you will face expulsion from the Kingdom of God. Jesus referred to Lucifer’s eviction from Heaven as swift as “lightning”. (Luke 10:18) To maintain citizenship in the Kingdom, we must repent and forgive daily, so that the blood of Jesus will cover our sins and will not be evident in our hearts.
What is attached to you is as important as who you are. We are born into sin and shapen in iniquity; (Psalms 51:5) sin is attached to us due to our fallen nature and you and I are oriented towards that sinful nature. Repentance through the blood of Jesus Christ is the only thing that can remove our sins from us.
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: 25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. Romans 3:25
This will ensure right standing with God through Jesus Christ our Lord. By having faith in the finished work of the Cross, we trust that Jesus Christ was qualified to die for us and his sacrifice was accepted by God on our behalf.
For as by one man’s disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. Romans 5:19

However, it is not only our sin that can deny us access into the Kingdom of God, but it is also the sins of others. Remember, sin of any kind cannot enter in, even if that sin is not your fault, but attached to you from another source. These sins may work against you through your bloodline or through another’s offense. We will discuss this in greater detail in another chapter.
Many are quick to remove their own sins, but fail in removing the sins of another. Other people’s sins will attach themselves to you through the seed of offense and if not resolved will take root and spring up bitterness in your spirit.
Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled;
Hebrews 12:15
The Apostle Paul told Timothy his son in the ministry not to be a “partaker” of another mans sin, but to keep himself pure. (1 Timothy 5:22)
Again, Jesus made sure there was an answer to this dilemma. He offered us forgiveness from God, if we would forgive others. (Matthew 6:14) Forgiveness removes the bilateral sins of humanity that work against us and alienate us from God.
Remember, repentance removes my sin before God; Forgiveness removes the sins others have placed on me through offense.

To all the Pastors who may read this; The first Sunday of the month for the church which I pastor is called “Forgiveness Sunday”. Once a month I minister on the need to forgive releasing others of the debts owed to us through offense. After the message we receive communion together and submit our lives again to Christ and to one another. I would encourage you to consider “Forgiveness Sunday” as an integrated part of your church culture.

revrandy 09-21-2007 08:46 AM

Are you UPC?

Hegavmelif 09-21-2007 08:55 AM

Awesome!! Churches should do more of this.

crazyhomie 09-21-2007 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 246799)
Are you UPC?

I was, recently turned in my credentials after 20 years. I love the upc and have a lot of family and friends still in the organization.

tbpew 09-21-2007 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by revrandy (Post 246799)
Are you UPC?

randy,
after reading crazy's starter post, I am very interested to know why his affiliation, or lack of, with a member-minister organization was of particular importance to you?

Did you read something in the starter that put you on alert?

SDG 09-21-2007 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyhomie (Post 246806)
I was, recently turned in my credentials after 20 years. I love the upc and have a lot of family and friends still in the organization.

I believe you've specified this in various other posts. I think we should start a poll ... asking who is ... and who isn't UPCI?

What do y'all think?

Felicity 09-21-2007 09:04 AM

This whole "sin attached to us" thing sounds a little off and doesn't set right with me.

revrandy 09-21-2007 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhomie (Post 246806)
I was, recently turned in my credentials after 20 years. I love the upc and have a lot of family and friends still in the organization.

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 246809)
randy,
after reading crazy's starter post, I am very interested to know why his affiliation, or lack of, with a member-minister organization was of particular importance to you?

Did you read something in the starter that put you on alert?

My wanting to know has nothing to do with this Thread... I guess I could have pm'd him but as I am still waking up (coffee in hand) I asked him...

Trouvere 09-21-2007 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 246809)
randy,
after reading crazy's starter post, I am very interested to know why his affiliation, or lack of, with a member-minister organization was of particular importance to you?

Did you read something in the starter that put you on alert?

Is this the motive police or what? :telephone

revrandy 09-21-2007 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 246816)
Is this the motive police or what? :telephone

:evilglee Motive like this??? :D

tbpew 09-21-2007 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 246816)
Is this the motive police or what? :telephone

Yes. Motive actually matters to me.

It always seems better to know why direct questions pertaining to a man organization affiliation are of defining importance in response to a thread that makes no mention, or even vague allusion to such things.

Interesting enought, Randy's reply makes the entire sequence unrelated.

I consider that worthwhile to know and since its a public forum, I asked.

revrandy 09-21-2007 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 246820)
Yes. Motive actually matters to me.

It always seems better to know why direct questions pertaining to a man organization affiliation are of defining importance in response to a thread that makes no mention, or even vague allusion to such things.

Interesting enought, Randy's reply makes the entire sequence unrelated.

I consider that worthwhile to know and since its a public forum, I asked.

It's a free country....:hypercoffee

SDG 09-21-2007 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 246820)
Yes. Motive actually matters to me.

It always seems better to know why direct questions pertaining to a man organization affiliation are of defining importance in response to a thread that makes no mention, or even vague allusion to such things.

Interesting enought, Randy's reply makes the entire sequence unrelated.

I consider that worthwhile to know and since its a public forum, I asked.

To many of us defining someone means everything.

Hegavmelif 09-21-2007 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 246813)
This whole "sin attached to us" thing sounds a little off and doesn't set right with me.

I have had to deal with things in the spirit realm that I know were a direct result of some of the stupid things that my unsaved father has done in his lifetime.

If I backslide and as a result began to commit sins of whatever nature, they would most assuredly have an effect on my children's lives and would open up the door to spirits they would have to contend with at some point and time in their lives. DO you not aggree with this?

tbpew 09-21-2007 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 246823)
To many of us defining someone means everything.

Dan-o,
maybe some point in the future (without further stomping on this guy's thread) you can share your viewpoint as to you why you think this need is so commonplace even though we all know that each of us are unique individuals.

revrandy 09-21-2007 09:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 246830)
Dan-o,
maybe some point in the future (without further stomping on this guy's thread) you can share your viewpoint as to you why you think this need is so commonplace even though we all know that each of us are unique individuals.

Start a Thread on it...

Trouvere 09-21-2007 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 246820)
Yes. Motive actually matters to me.

It always seems better to know why direct questions pertaining to a man organization affiliation are of defining importance in response to a thread that makes no mention, or even vague allusion to such things.

Interesting enought, Randy's reply makes the entire sequence unrelated.

I consider that worthwhile to know and since its a public forum, I asked.

Who made you the police? Surely not Jesus?

tbpew 09-21-2007 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trouvere (Post 246835)
Who made you the police? Surely not Jesus?

*note to crazyhomie* this is my last post in your thread...promise!

I am not the police of anything that you do not let me enforce.

I enforce my own role on discussion boards concerning "asking or expressing my view".

I police my own words and try to insert when I deem benefit to myself or the premise being discussed.

So, Trouvere, who made me the police? Me.
Which means you are a WINNER in your presumption that JESUS did not make me the POLICE of this thread, this board, or Randy. Your ability to POLICE self appointed police is notable.

revrandy 09-21-2007 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 246839)
*note to crazyhomie* this is my last post in your thread...promise!

I am not the police of anything that you do not let me enforce.

I enforce my own role on discussion boards concerning "asking or expressing my view".

I police my own words and try to insert when I deem benefit to myself or the premise being discussed.

So, Trouvere, who made me the police? Me.
Which means you are a WINNER in your presumption that JESUS did not make me the POLICE of this thread, this board, or Randy. Your ability to POLICE self appointed police is notable.

I am not the police just a commoner...who simply asked if CH was UPC.....I answered and it was okay... Sorry for the misuse of the word "offense" because there really was none..
Randy

crazyhomie 09-21-2007 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 246839)
*note to crazyhomie* this is my last post in your thread...promise!

I am not the police of anything that you do not let me enforce.

I enforce my own role on discussion boards concerning "asking or expressing my view".

I police my own words and try to insert when I deem benefit to myself or the premise being discussed.

So, Trouvere, who made me the police? Me.
Which means you are a WINNER in your presumption that JESUS did not make me the POLICE of this thread, this board, or Randy. Your ability to POLICE self appointed police is notable.

Hugh???

philjones 09-21-2007 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crazyhomie (Post 246844)
Hugh???

Is Bro. Rose hanging out here again?

Is TBPEW Hugh Rose?

:D

Felicity 09-21-2007 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hegavmelif (Post 246829)
I have had to deal with things in the spirit realm that I know were a direct result of some of the stupid things that my unsaved father has done in his lifetime.

If I backslide and as a result began to commit sins of whatever nature, they would most assuredly have an effect on my children's lives and would open up the door to spirits they would have to contend with at some point and time in their lives. DO you not aggree with this?

Not necessarily, no. Where do you have scripture for this idea that your backsliding would open the door for spirits to afflict your children?

I believe that there are patterns of behavior that keep repeating themselves through generations. I don't believe it's about spirits per se.

I don't believe in generational curses except in the sense that patterns of behavior and habits tend to repeat themselves because of example. This is true both in the negative and positive sense.


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