T.D.Jakes on Dr. Phil
 

I just saw that TDJakes will be a special guest on the Dr. Phil Show on Monday.

Is Jakes an Apostolic minister?

What do you all think of this? Will you watch the show?

Margie do you have a link to this specific episode?

Margie, Bishop Jakes believes, teaches and demonstrates Apostolic Ministry. He believes and teaches the Revelation of Jesus Christ and baptizes in the Name of Jesus Christ. He teaches that everyone that repents of their sins should be baptized in water and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
He also ministers healing and deliverance to many. He has an Apostolic Ministry. He does not label himself as APOSTOLIC - for obvious reasons. I am Apostolic but do not label myself as Apostolic for obvious reasons - most that SAY they are Apostolic - have no clue as to the meaning of the word. Many think it means they can quote Acts 2:38.

I may disagree with TD Jakes on some things...but the Man is anointed... and powerful... way distanced from the TBN crowd who pretend...

There is a definate difference in Jakes ministry vs. the others around there...

Great Post!
 

Great post - so true!

I went to the drphil website and it's not on there yet, Trou. I normally don't watch DrPhil or Oprah or any of those shows. It just happened to be on today for 'background noise'. I was seriously stunned when I heard him mention TDJakes and looked up and they showed him sitting there with DrPhil and a couple of other people. The announcement said he would be on on Monday. I'm gonna tune in just to see.

AtlantaBishop, thank you for filling me on BroJakes. I've read one of his books, but that was a long, long time ago. Interesting!!

Here you go..............

http://www.tdjakes.com/site/PageServer

I went to the tdjakes website. It says Sept. 24th

So is anyone here going to watch it?

While I have enjoyed the ministry of Bishop Jakes, I would not see him any different than Rod Parsley or some other Trinitarian preacher (Bishop Jakes is not Trinitarian btw.) I can listen to any of them and "eat the meat and throw out the bones," so to speak.

I know that I am going to take some flak for this post, however, I will briefly state my reasoning. In recent years there has been an attempt to redefine what "Apostolic" means by non-Apostolics. They have associated "Apostolic" with a new age of Apostolic authority and power being restored to the church rather than doctrinal truths taught by the Apostles, and now being embraced and taught by us.

This new "Apostolic" era in fact is devoid of taking any "doctrinal" stand, and when pushed for doctrinal clarity those who embrace this new ideology will usually use a lot of smoke and mirrors type answers to avoid identifying themselves with truth that will be consequential.

A balance of Apostolic Authority and Apostolic Doctrine defines true Apostolics, and one cannot exist without the other.

Having said that, Bishop Jakes practices the basic tenets of the Apostolic doctrine, such as if you are baptized under his ministry you will be baptized in Jesus name. However, he does not believe that baptism in Jesus' name is essential to salvation. In fact if you come to his church from a Trinitarian movement and never feel your need to be re-baptized it is a non-issue to him. Based upon his own statements regarding doctrinal issues Bishop Jakes is not Apostolic.

It is not the avoidance of the name "Apostolic" that concerns me it is the distancing of ones self from the doctrine that is the issue.

They also announced today on our local radio station (since I live in Dallas they talk about the Potters house on occasion) and Dr Phil will be speaking at both Sunday services this weekend at the Potters house.

what a joke................. definitely not an Apostolic church!

Amen to that... but of course you know the Jakes sympathizers will be here any second now to tell us how sinful we are because we dont think he is saved because he is letting dr pill lead his congregation this sunday right???

??????? I don't understand.

Apostolics have a long history of having nonAPs speak in their churches camps and seminars.

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Originally Posted by AmazingGrace (Post 247259) Amen to that... but of course you know the Jakes sympathizers will be here any second now to tell us how sinful we are because we dont think he is saved because he is letting dr pill lead his congregation this sunday right???

I'm not really a "Jakes sympathizer." I was given one of his books as a gift but have yet to read it. I have never seen his program or heard a sermon he preached.

However, I think some are overreacting to the Dr. Phil appearance. I was in a service at the church one of our "ultra-conservatives" here attends and remember a local "unsaved" psychiatrist speaking from the pulpit in support of the church's missions program. He then gave a large gift, was photographed and said, "I'm jumping out of my skin for Jesus...!!!" If I told you what church you'd all choke.

So there, is it a double standard? No, just a guest being honored, that's all. Hospitality used to be something OP's were known for.

My biggest quirk with this who thing is it seems like if nothing its for publicity and I just think thats wrong. I dont feel like its to support anything but the fact that Jakes is gonna be on his show so please watch me!!!!

That's probably the case; dunno, don't know enough about Jakes to commend or condemn him.

I'm just saying, we do the same exact thing when the circumstances suit us, and then hope our brethren or either understanding or better yet- that they never find out.

So many things are funny, though not necessarily a joke.


Some of us fall into this category.

All Pharisees need to get a grip, and all liberals need to hold on tight.

But, go ye and learn what that meaneth.

I would much rather listen to Dr. Phil in a church service than to hear some ungodly congressman or governor get up in a camp meeting and speak. Mississippi camp meeting is notorious for that; always has been! There is somewhat of a double standard.

I've heard Jakes preach many, many times and enjoy his messages. I don't have to agree with everything he says. My wife doesn't agree with everything I say but she has stayed around for 42 years! [I think she kinda likes me.] Seriously, there is a danger here. Some seem to cast out aspersions casually and with little care. You're braver than I am! I don't bat 1000 so I can be wrong and often am. I can't truthfully judge someone's heart even with what I interprete as "scriptural proof". If I give someone honor and it proves wrong I haven't lost anything but if I dishonor someone and it proves to be wrong ..... I may have blasphemed against the Holy Ghost!

Raven

Excellent post, Raven.

How's Elijah's feeding going?

got a grip and am holding on tight!

ChTatum
I'm amazed for there are many Elijah's and all of them seem to be "in need"!
There's a lot of job security here.
Raven

Raven that was a good post!

LOL!

After you take care of the needy prophets, there are quite a few of us struggling pastors that could use some help.....

A most excellent post, Raven. There's some real wisdom on display here.

Yeah, but what's with the bread crumbs with the little sesame seeds on them? Can't you find any... wait... never mind. I'm thankful for what I get. :)

Patience Pelathais. Your location is in my "flight plan". I'm waiting for the widow woman to leave her bread cooling in that open window again.
Raven

This is what I received via email today:



Monday

Bishop T.D. Jakes
Is everything in your life feeling predictable and humdrum? Are you lacking excitement in your job or in your marriage? Well, Bishop T.D. Jakes, author of Reposition Yourself: Living Life Without Limits, says you have the power to create the life you want! Bishop Jakes has one of the fastest-growing mega churches in Dallas. He's a moviemaker, playwright, Grammy winner, best-selling author, and a person who inspires Dr. Phil. Get to know Bishop Jakes as he and Dr. Phil speak with guests who are ready to reposition their lives. First up are Kelly and Bobby, who are on the verge of divorce. Kelly wants out of her marriage because she says Bobby is not providing for the family, and they've acquired a huge amount of debt. Is divorce the answer? Next, Hunter says he's the most negative man on the planet, and he's been mad for 10 years! How can he escape his rut? Then, if you own a gun and keep it in your home, Tiffany has a powerful message you don't want to miss. Can sharing her tragic story save her from the guilt and self-blame she feels?