The Hinn
 

Well Hinn is making the inroads on multiple AFF threads, so I just gotta ask this.

Is there anyone here who does not think Benny Hinn is a sham and a scammer?

Not to question whether or not there are real Christians at his "crusades", but does anyone give what goes on in the name of "ministry" as anything greater than a circus or a magic show?

Will admin allow Hinn to be bashed?

No one is bashing, DA. I am simply asking how he is percieved by the audience here. There is the last poll option if you prefer.

For those who may be wondering.... I have been considering voting the last poll option....

I'll be honest I voted number three.

... but decided against it. :)

Brother Stephen -

It's my opinion that he is a false teacher deceiving many to believe that he represents Christianity. I continue to read investigative articles and view videos that leave no doubt that any anointing that he has is not from God.

My vote is for question two.

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I don't believe he is trying to hypnotize people or using the same methods of say a wiccan or witch. you really believe he's going to be singing " how great thou art" and God is going to let him put people in a trance? he can't sing as it is come on !

I think many of these guys start out sincere and success can get to our heads too- we are human too.

But sincerity is not the question. I don't doubt the sincerity of pastors who are also child molesters.

I am not sure putting someone in a trace is "the work of satan" per se. It is simply a manipulation of natural human psyche. He does this with individuals and through crowd manipulation.

I voted number two.

You forgot option five-Benny Hinn is a false prophet

You should have made this option to chose more than one. I pick 1&2, but I had to pick only one of those two.

There are plenty of men who are genuinely used of by God in the gifts, who spend hours in prayer and fasting..who have died to the world completely. They don't jet set across the globe in first class or private airplanes, or stay in $3000 a night suites or where expensive jewelry and Italian designer suits or smoking a hookah with his "ministry" buddies.

I don't know how many people for the first time genuinely come to faith in Christ in his meetings as it seems most of the visitors are from churches that heard Benny was gonna be in town and to bring the sick. However, from what I have seen little to no real healings take place, yet he has tons and tons and tons of money coming in.

What does what song he sings have to do with it? You think just because he sings that song God is going to prevent him from doing something? Does God prevent Hip Hop artists from doing wrong when they claim to give glory to God for their success?

BTW I don't doubt any one starts out sincere. Benny Hinn is a student of the late Katheryn Kulman, but I believe he also has taken lessons from Kenneth Hagin as have many other TBN ministers.

If one wants to understand their theology and "faith" study Kenneth Hagin.

Good post, I agree that many of these people start out as sincere devout believers. Large amounts of money bring power, and too much power corrupts. I personally believe that Benny Hinn is in self-deception, and he had started to believe his own PR a long time ago. Anyone who is a true Bible believer would not for one moment even acknowledge Benny Hinn was anything more than an entertainer.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Yes I do agree power corrupts even amongst oneness circles this can and has happend. we are not expempt from the evils that can come with wealth and sucess just because we are Jesus only .

I think the charismatics are crumbling partly because of this prosperity doctrine , not being accountable, the scandals of recent times and living too loose but WOE be unto us- we could do the same if we are not watchful and praying too. human nature is human nature

There is no One God Jesus name people at the stardom level of Benny Hinn.

Those who have crashed and burned from the One God ranks and went national on the headlines of nation wide papers where not conservatives.
So that you tell everyone something.

Well, if the television issue makes it and gets voted in everyone will get their chance to see what will happen next.

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

Tell you what, I went to a Benny Hinn crusade about two or three years ago when he was in Chicago (Thanks again, Sis Vicki for the VIP seating:thumbsup )
What I can tell you is that there wasn't a circuis. Everything was decent and in order. There was not a petition for some big extravagant offering.
When God started healing people, Hinn didn't step to the pulpit and speak "the word of faith" or anything like that, the gift of healing just filled the stadium as the people worshipped.

When I arrived at the stadium I saw a man help his wife out of their van. She was in a wheelchair and was connected to a big oxygen tank. I watched that lady get healed in the service, come out of her wheelchair and diconnect the hoses to the tank. No one was screaming at her or messing up her hair as they prayed for her....she and her husband were along worshipping God.

When the peopled that had been healed line up to give their testimony there was Dr's there to verify different things. There was ladies who gave you a testimony card to fill out and sign. It was all very organized.

I obviously don't agree with how Hinn preaches salvation, but I gotta give him his props...people come to the crusades believing that if they can just get in the door, they will receive their miracle. Benny Hinn's ministry team create an atmosphere of worship and faith. Whether they preach the whole truth or not, God takes pleasure in the praises of His people. He will always respond to faith....

AND THAT"S THE WAY IT WAS

..........ok now I'm going to brace for the beating I'm about to take...... :praying

One more thing, the healings were happening throughout the service....
God was being exalted by the people, that had nothing to do with the man in white. The people's worship and praise, brings God into those stadiums.
Whether you agree with everything he preaches, I think you can agree that Benny Hinn has helped a lot of people to have faith for their miracles....

Actually this is where I am still VERY skeptical. But I am listening - no beatings for you - YET! :)

I'm going to change what I wrote above and say
In my opinion he has helped a lot of people to have faith......no one has to agree, just my opinion :)

OK - no beating then.

It's all good except for that bolded part. Unless those doctors are conducting blood tests, X-rays, colonoscopies, heart monitor tests, pulmonary level tests, spinal taps, CT and PET scans, MRI's, and such, there is no way they can 'verify' anything.

I take that back. Unless they witness an appendage growing, a wound healing, or bones reconstructing, there is no way they can verify anything...and a doctor wouldn't be needed for those miracles.

True, AND some verifiable medical records about the individual's previous medical condition go a long way to validating the miracle. I can walk up to any doctor that doesn't know me, have him/her listen to my heart and pronounce my heart perfectly healthy (and it is, thank God!), and then I could proceed to tell everybody around me that God just healed me of a serious heart defect. That would be a lie, but only I (and Jesus) would know that. If I was dramatic enough, I could convince a lot of folks that I had just been the recipient of a miracle. As you well know, there's more than one way to fake a healing (usually by faking a pre-existing condition).

Right...it all goes unverified. Testimony cards...... :gclock:gclock:gclock:gclock

I wonder what kind of doctor they are? I remember Cannonball Run, the movie. They needed a doctor for the ambulance...the best they could do was a proctologist...well never mind

Is that really being fair ?? while I am no big fan of Benny, that is sucha ridiculous requirement. when is the last time we required doctor's with Xray machines inside OUR churches to validate the miraculous power of God? we take God at his word and the Peoples'word. If they claim THEIR Healing, I think we should accept it - It's between them and God.
let's fight fair

IF the people make it up, it's not on Benny Hinn. It's on them for being liars...

Don't say that it can't happen in an Apostolic church..........remeber Borat at our campmeeting...

EXACTLY...

I don't know ANY Apostolic Church that has an xray machine.........or if a diabetic says their healed, runs a blood test there at the altar....

Benny Hinn does the same thing we're suppose to do......tell the person to still go get the miracle verified by THEIR doctor.


And yes, some have come forward and said that they thought they were healed and a BH Crusade only to find out that they were still sick........but think of the THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS that have been healed. You can't judge him for a few that weren't. If we're going to judge in that manner, how many people have YOU prayed for that weren't healed?

As for me... I treat them all equally - I am skeptical of all miraculous claims whether they are postulated by the Roman Catholic Church or not.

ALWAYS, without exception in my experience, the severely deformed/crippled are bypassed for testimony and the one with the unverifiable "healed" illness is preferred. This is exactly the opposite of the scriptural pattern..., but hey, when Pavlov's dogs are hungry ya gotta feed them...


Also, there is the "speak things that are not as though they were" doctrine. So, when they claim their healing we have really no idea what it does mean...

Interesting to note that these 'doctors' have pronouned diabetics to be healed, and even cancer patients (who even later died from cancer).

There have also been reports of children being led to fake being deaf or very ill and being 'healed'. It's pathetic.

Most people, when claiming healing for something diagnosed by diagnostic procedures have no idea they are healed until they go for further testing.

Not many people claim healing for cancer or diabetes until being tested first. There is no other way to tell.

Why does Hinn have "doctors" in his services????

GET OUTTA MY HEAD! I was JUST going to post that....


no one asked for a Dr to validate the healing - he just HAPPENED to have some there....

Thad, we are speaking about doctor verification, not patient. However, there is a difference in claiming healing and actually being healed.

Lots of people claim healing in our services, but the real proof is when they come back from a doctor's visit having been cleared by the doctor after having tests done.

One has to wonder why Benny has doctors in his services to begin with. Since when do we need their presence at all in a service?

It's amazing that NOT ONE of these guys have had a miracle where someone has grown a limb back. If they could do this for a war vet man would that hit the papers!!!!!

The God heals on the inside has no trouble healing on the outside too.

Absolutely.

Dave I think your faith is "Hinndered"! You unbeliever! :)

How does a diabetic know they are healed without blood work? How does someone with cancer know they are healed without testing of some kind?

There is a difference in claiming healing and actually being healed. Lots of people claim healing that never took place. I don't think that's the issue being discussed here.

There was an independent panel who took something like a random dozen 'healings', including with children, and researched them. NOT A ONE of those people were healed, some died, even two months after the 'healing' Benny claimed they had, and one was a child who spoke little or no English who was supposedly deaf and received healing in his service only to find out he had no impairment to begin with. Benny claims that people who are potential fakers are screened before coming onstage......hmmm......

Benny Hinns' God can't heal a case of jock rash!!!!!

And there ya go! Reformed Dave just crossed the line.:killinme


I really had no intention of going there folks! How does your church/God do with jock rash healings?

A good bath and some powder. :hypercoffee

Let me AGAIN preface by saying I'm not a Benny follower or supporter. there are many things about this type of ministry I don't care for.

however, I can see that in this instance, he is damned if he does and damned if doesn't. In America, the cynics would be crying " where are the doctor's to Prove it"? and then, you have another crowd that says WHY DOES HE NEED DOCTORS THERE?? If it's really God ,etc