Most damaging resolution??
 

Which resolution do you think will be the most damaging??

#3 used for #4!

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3 by far. 3 has some really odd quirks about it.

you could have one district banning cons that leave and another banning libs that are already out.

this could become a really nasty infighting situation.

take Texas for example
WH is out but he went out when Texas was one district. His church and his ministry have been in the South Texas area. BUT He was part of the TEXAS district.

the STexas DS was for res 4 and likely wont take issue with WH. but the Texas DS has already proven his desire to take action against anyone who even thinks the word TV.

The Texas DS, could claim that WH went out of his district and thus black list him. while the STexas district doesnt. what a mess.

this wasnt well thought out.

What was 3? Info please!

We have already had testimony on this board from an individual that had a question placed on his ministry weeks or months AFTER he turned in his credentials of his own free will.

That makes this rule very powerful as it appears to me they made it very clear that a question could be for ANY reason the district deemed necessary.

Good grief... that is one big mess waiting to happen.

I wonder who will be the first to be added and how long it will take to do it?

a guy that is out or goes out or (debatable) was never in, who is "under suspesion" cannot be fellowshipped by any UPCI preacher. you cant preach the guy, you cant preach for the guy. the only exception is funerals and weddings.


LOL! aint it funny that the "regular folks" often dont care what the org thinks about a particular guy.

Will UPC licensed preachers be able to be put under suspicion?

You can't you can't you can't. I thought this was a "fellowship". "Not a denomination". lol

Is the actual verbage of Res 3 anywhere to be found?

I am now remembering our AFF chat about Res #3.

In some strange way, I am now thinking that for the BOTH to pass, a completely different set of constitutents voted in the 'affirmative' for each.

If the 'speculation' pertaining to a conservative exodus materializes, its seems like those who remain may be left with a vehicle that they really do not support.

D, a guy t hat is in, can be brought up on charges. that has always been the case. for those that are in, this isnt a change, except that now there is another "charge" that can be added to the list. fellowshipping someone the district has decided is a bad guy.

I think somewhere in the very big thread, daniel posted res 3.

it might take some doing to find it. good luck.

Great insight...perhaps that was the end game all along.

If you can't beat them, join them, infect them, divide them, destroy from within them.

Look, if the Cons leave, then the Mods will rule the day. if the Mods dont like res 3 it can be repealed pretty easily. I suspect this is what will happen....

I agree! I see the UPCI as reaching a turning point today! The balance went from exclusive to inclusive. I believe future resolutions will lean towards tollerance and unity in spite of differences!

...just maybe not before it sows discord among those which are alive and remain.

I do not believe that is possible as an organization. It would have to redefine itself as a fellowship network in the manner that some say the NCO is attempting to define itself as.

I was very disappointed to see this resolution pass. Leading up to the vote, I had spoken with a few ministers and asked what the general consensus of this resolution was. The majority of them and others they knew were against this resolution.

It gives too much power to the DB. Lord knows some DB's already have enough problems with politics, personal grudges and ego trips. This resolution only gave them more ammunition to use against good men.

I know a minister personally who I know will be brought under question because of the political makeup of the DB where he lives. Even recently he was still preaching in a UPC church here. But with the passage of this resolution, both he and the pastor of that church will likely be the target of the DB.

Others have mentioned Suber and others from the NCO being targeted along with anyone who joins the NCO.

If anyone was there, were there any amendments given and passed that would better limit the broad powers of this resolution? Also, could someone post the verbage of the resolution?

This resolution could take more lives, spiritually, than the television resolution.

Papal decrees like that sound petty and childish....sounds like something you'd hear on the playground stemming from jealousy. This all started with the AS. You are never going to protect an org by clamping down on everyone

This could work agains't a Pastor that uses ALJC or PAW or IND, or whatever men for his evangelists and such.

Silly question here but what were the resolutions and their corresponding numbers?

I think without a doubt res. 3 is more damaging. The whole idea of this resolution really sickens me. This also has the possibility of affecting my family in a negative way. My dad who is now a upc pastor himself received the Holy Ghost and was baptized in the church that I still attend. At the time, our pastor was upc licensed.

A few years ago a misunderstanding caused my pastor to be asked to turn in his license. The truth came out a short time later, and the district board offered to reinstate him, but my pastor felt that the Lord had allowed all that had happened and even though he never would have turned in his license on his own, he did not feel that he should become re-licensed. There were some hard feelings that he did not accept the offer, and I would not be surprised if my pastor is labeled as "under question".

Now with the passage of res. 3, my father is not supposed to fellowship with the man that he considers to be his pastor. Even if it's not enforced in all areas, it's forcing good men to either break rules or break relationships and that is just wrong.

What does that mean for Fulfilled Eschatology believers? Does that mean that no one will be allowed to preach a Preterist?

In Resolution 4, the UPC was offering you a chance to preach on television with them; but with Resolution 3 they took it away.

HAHAHA :killinme

I just don't have the come backs tonight. I guess you guys win.

I said this in post #2!

Ahh... but I didn't get it. You've got to s-p-e-l-l somethings out for us Bro.

I'm just a simple country doctor, Jim.

And I challenge anybody on the board- I appreciate E.B. more than anyone else!

Was the vote close?

same here...didn't get it :telephone