Talk about Inconsistencies!!!!
 

The passing of Resolution #4 has caused the UPC to be inconsistent with their stance. So we can now advertise our churches and minstries on TV but we can't own one. We can now run a 30 minute infomercial that is still defined as advertisement but it allows us to include some of our choir singing, some of our preacher preaching, some of our life-changing altar calls and an invitation to the church. But this is NOT ministry on tv it is advertising.

Good or bad is not the goal nor intent of this thread but merely to bring to light an inconsistnecy.

Mark my words, It may not be next year nor the next but television will soon be allowed officially in our manuals. This is only the foothold.

What are your thoughts? Is it coming down that dusty road? And if it is coming is it bringing compromise on other "standards?"

It's not the only inconsistency.

Shall we name them all?

Can't wear a little diamond around your neck, but not a problem with a two carat wedding ring.

No man can be truly consistent, but if they are striving for it, then that is a good thing. You can't change everything at once.

The only inconsistancy is in the fact that it is OK to have internet access where all of this is available (and worse), but not to own or watch a TV. :drama

Who said that wedding rings were okay? That is not addressed officially by the UPC. Or at least not that I have ever seen:hypercoffee

The hidden purpose of R4 reveiled.

Theo, there is no hidden purpose! Look, the guys that want televisions have them. period. the guys that dont, dont.

this was about using television as a tool for ministry.

at some point in the future, TV will be stricken from the manual in its entirety. that I firmly believe. One can argue this was the first step in that direction, but there is no "hidden" ajenda here. that is silly.

"Hidden" may not the correct word but everyone that voted for this resolution had to know that this would be the first step in eventually removing the tv prohibition from the manual. Surely the progression is clear.

It'll just save everyone money - - now they won't have to go purchase DVD's of their favorite shows to view on the TV sitting in their living rooms without TV hook up.

there is no hidden purpose, but it is only a matter of time before all the standards fall...

Not because they WERE wrong when they were made...

but because 50 years later the culture that we live in is so different that things that offended 50 years ago don't matter anymore...

LOL...you are right..it is silly.

Silly to think that this isn't the case despite the obvious. This rez was not about ads and pulpitstars alone. C'mon brother, please! ;)

Oh Lord, how true! How many preachers do you know that wait with baited breath until Seasons 1, 2, & 3 come out on DVD? :heeheehee

Many!!!!

Hypocrisy is an ugly thing.

Or on your lapel.

Never did quite understand that.......

Or on a barrette...

Uhhhh.

I remember somewhere....something about OUTWARD Adorniment.


:D

Exactly - I didn't bother fussing with Loon.

Or big, shiny buttons.............lol

Or watches that costs $1000 w/diamonds!

LOL. Ah, The wild, wild, world of revolving principles. It has done so much for Christendom over the years.

Wide is the gate.....

....narrow is the path....

you figure it out.

oh give me a break...

There was no rule in 50 AD about men not being able to wear shorts...

Nor was there a rule about not being able to go to a sporting event... or participate in high school athletics... and pants and skirts weren't even invented yet...

so don't give me that nonsense...

Oh, ok, I'm sorry...you've got all the answers, I have all the nonsense.

Down with standards...up with enlightenment!

Have a nice trip.

That is the problem. We are not offended by much of anything anymore. Profanity is an everyday occurence. We have seen such immodest trends in dress during that 50 years that it doesn't bother us if our eyes cross over a woman's upper thigh. We have been dulled to the sin around us. God help us to have our hearts pricked when there is a homosexual present, or any other sinful thing. Not to the bashing of the individual but the realization that sin is still sin and we serve a holy God.

lol

So you think Paul wore pants and the women of that day wore skirts??? Really??

come on, Theophilus, make a stand, SAY IT!

Did Paul wear pants or not?? And if not, how can you possibly say that we shouldn't change with the culture around us??

who ever said homosexuality wasn't a sin? There is just a difference between beating someone down for it or just letting them know you disagree and moving on and still loving them...

and it still bothers a lot of people to see a women's thigh in most situations...

I think you are overstating things a bit...

My point exactly! Thanks DA for helping me articulate it; though that may or may not have been your intention.

I say don't get yer panties all in a bunch and go out and win the lost

Wel THank God for the passing of resolution #4! Because before that no one in the UPC was effectively winning souls. Thanks, Prax for the wake up call. I am forever indebted to you. (TIC)

I started to post all of this, but....when the venom is poised at the abolishment of all standards..well I figure it isn't going to register anyway.

Bless your heart for diligence...nice, sound, comprehensive post.

where did I ever say all??

Please, quote me the post where I said "all"...

Until then, it'd be great if you actually read what I said if you intend on replying to it in the future... Thanks }=o) Have a blessed day...

LOL...I love it. I was thinking about making my own commercial for fun along these lines.

It is apparent that man's wisdom is afoot in the political circles of organizations starving for a unified Spiritual leading.

Exhibit A.

You have a blessed day yourself and don't forget to take some Vitamin B.

sheesh, I make one overstatement... lol

I do think all of them will fall eventually (if Jesus doesn't return) only because at some point it is going to be an absurdity for them not to, that or they'll be obsolete because no one is doing whatever it is banning anyways...

But I don't think this is going to cause the entire book of standards to fall, and I did clarify that in my next post (I think... unless that was a different thread...)

Honestly, my hope is that rather than mandate standards and things of that nature on an organizational level, they just allow churches to make those decisions on thier own... The Bible doesn't have any structure making rules the way the UPC or other orgs do... and if they did make rules, they were about giving people freedom in Christ, not telling them what they can and can't do...

But, ah, for men to let go of power that they already have is a near impossibility... so it'll never happen...

Do you ever spend time in the Word?

And what is a principle if never applied?

Most of the 'freedom' we see is nothing more than unrealized bondage bound to be a means to a very long and fiery fate.

There is freedom within the boundaries and principles of the Kingdom of God. You can find these in the Bible. These will endure. These constitute that freedom in Christ that you seem to think is a world loving reflective free for all.

tell that to Paul who went to Jerusalem and got permission to preach to the Gentiles that they didn't have to follow the law (with 4 exceptions)....

Seriously, this "rule-making" thing that we hold so dear in the modern world jsut didn't exist in the Antioch-based church in the 1st century (it did exist in the Jerusalem church... which lost, BTW and was basically gone once Jerusalem got sacked by Rome multiple times in the late 1st, early 2nd centuries)

Oh man...I almost spit soda on my keyboard!

oh and by the way our preachers can now advertise and preach on tv but oh no they wont know because they still cant own or watch one, lol, give me a break, lol,dt:telephone:hypercoffee

Consistency? Whats that? A novel idea? A dream? A figment?