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Thad 09-29-2007 01:16 AM

ROCK BANDS!!! A growing Trend in the UPC???
 
Has anyone noticed the growing trend of ROCK BANDS amongst us ???

Especially among the young set


what is your opinions of this ? are you noticing this ?


is this a Bad or good thing ?

tv1a 09-29-2007 01:19 AM

It's a great thing. I wish this trend began when I was a teenager. It would have made worship more tolerable.

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 256139)
Has anyone noticed the growing trend of ROCK BANDS amongst us ???

Especially among the young set


what is your opinions of this ? are you noticing this ?


is this a Bad or good thing ?


Thad 09-29-2007 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by tv1a (Post 256141)
It's a great thing. I wish this trend began when I was a teenager. It would have made worship more tolerable.

worship is for God- you mean the music more tolerable ?

tv1a 09-29-2007 01:51 AM

IF music is supposed to lead you into worship, they did a poor job at it. They did the best they could but music wasn't their highest priority and it showed. My children's ministry band runs circles around the what I had to put up with at that age.

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 256143)
worship is for God- you mean the music more tolerable ?


Praxeas 09-29-2007 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 256139)
Has anyone noticed the growing trend of ROCK BANDS amongst us ???

Especially among the young set


what is your opinions of this ? are you noticing this ?


is this a Bad or good thing ?

They got sick of country?

pelathais 09-29-2007 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 256139)
Has anyone noticed the growing trend of ROCK BANDS amongst us ???

Especially among the young set


what is your opinions of this ? are you noticing this ?


is this a Bad or good thing ?

I guess I haven't really seen it.

What if you had a group of your typical OP singers; only instead of them singing to "canned" or pre-recorded music, they played their own instruments while they were singing? Would they be a "band?"

The rest is probably just stylistic differences between a "country" sound and a more "contemporary" sound.

Michael The Disciple 09-29-2007 07:51 AM

Name some of the Rock bands. Im not aware of any.

redeemedcynic84 09-29-2007 07:57 AM

I can't wait 'til we get a OP thrash metal or black metal band...

:growl/screams and headbangs:

Thad 09-29-2007 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 256205)
Name some of the Rock bands. Im not aware of any.


I haven't kept up with the names of these bands. I'll try to start remembering.

I do know they are sprouting up more and more .

Thad 09-29-2007 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 256161)
I guess I haven't really seen it.

What if you had a group of your typical OP singers; only instead of them singing to "canned" or pre-recorded music, they played their own instruments while they were singing? Would they be a "band?"

The rest is probably just stylistic differences between a "country" sound and a more "contemporary" sound.


heavy on guitars- especially the distorted sound


very casual in attire

pelathais 09-29-2007 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 256241)
heavy on guitars- especially the distorted sound


very casual in attire

:grumpy
kids! When the newspapers went to adult delivery carriers I knew we would loose our kids. Can't even send them out to get a paper route anymore.

"very casual in attire" - that include baggy trousers and untucked shirts? Well, not on my lawn!

Thad 09-29-2007 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 256246)
:grumpy
kids! When the newspapers went to adult delivery carriers I knew we would loose our kids. Can't even send them out to get a paper route anymore.

"very casual in attire" - that include baggy trousers and untucked shirts? Well, not on my lawn!


baggy pants, untucked shirts, T-shirts, blue Jeans, jean jackets, is this attire never appropriate when performing ?

redeemedcynic84 09-29-2007 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 256246)
:grumpy
kids! When the newspapers went to adult delivery carriers I knew we would loose our kids. Can't even send them out to get a paper route anymore.

"very casual in attire" - that include baggy trousers and untucked shirts? Well, not on my lawn!

baggy pants? Yes... baggy, sagging pants? No... lol

baggy as in "comfortable"...

and what's wrong with untucked shirts??? I don't think they're talking about during Sunday morning church...

Thad 09-29-2007 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by redeemedcynic84 (Post 256252)
baggy pants? Yes... baggy, sagging pants? No... lol

baggy as in "comfortable"...

and what's wrong with untucked shirts??? I don't think they're talking about during Sunday morning church...








good Question. I once wore my shirt untucked for some little concert we had it was a youth event on a friday night. one of the old saints saw me and thought it was awful, the end of the world that i had my shirt out lol !

Michael The Disciple 09-29-2007 09:57 AM

It looks like were worried about something that may not even exist. How many of you that attend an Apostolic Church have had a Christian Rock band in your Church?

Myself I like the classic Christian Rock. There may be some modern Christian Rock I would like just have very little time to investigate it. I like Christian rock for around the house or in the car but prefer Charismatic Praise for Church meetings.

Old Paths 09-29-2007 10:01 AM

Thank God it's not that way over here, we still have Willie, Waylon and the Boys.


:rockband

Michael The Disciple 09-29-2007 10:05 AM

Heres the kind of Christian Rock I like.

[YT="Judgement Day Blues"]K_QUtF8M8Fo[/YT]

Michael The Disciple 09-29-2007 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 256293)
Thank God it's not that way over here, we still have Willie, Waylon and the Boys.


:rockband

:killinme

LifeGuide 09-29-2007 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 256288)
It looks like were worried about something that may not even exist. How many of you that attend an Apostolic Church have had a Christian Rock band in your Church?

Myself I like the classic Christian Rock. There may be some modern Christian Rock I would like just have very little time to investigate it. I like Christian rock for around the house or in the car but prefer Charismatic Praise for Church meetings.

Sounds to me like this thread is about 30 years late (David & The Giants).
We have a Friday night youth service that draws around 75 teenagers from the neighborhood. Our band "rock's" out ala David Crowder Band and Switchfoot. Sure they come for the lights, music, and free pizza. Amazing how God does his thing and they are baptized and filled w/ the HG.
I'm done arguing over methods. What works here may not work there. It's all about the end result.

dizzyde 09-29-2007 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 256139)
Has anyone noticed the growing trend of ROCK BANDS amongst us ???

Especially among the young set


what is your opinions of this ? are you noticing this ?


is this a Bad or good thing ?

Thad, Thad, Thad, you had to go there....... :toofunny :slaphappy :lol

Well, count me in the gang that's all for it!! Our kids are listening (and by our kid's, I mean me) to it anyways, why not put our stamp on it?

CC1 09-29-2007 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Paths (Post 256293)
Thank God it's not that way over here, we still have Willie, Waylon and the Boys.


:rockband


LOL!!!

pelathais 09-30-2007 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 256246)
:grumpy
kids! When the newspapers went to adult delivery carriers I knew we would loose our kids. Can't even send them out to get a paper route anymore.

"very casual in attire" - that include baggy trousers and untucked shirts? Well, not on my lawn!

I was being purposefully ridiculous with this post, sorry. I couldn't care less about the stuff described. In 10 years the style will be narrow ties and matching suits again. Whatever.

Sounds like LifeGuide's got a great group. Rock on! I in fact like a sound that is "heavier" than what my kids like. They hear something crazy and the first they they say is, "Dad would like that!" LOL. Everything I listen to bemuses them. Well, Rock On!

QueenEsther 10-01-2007 07:42 AM

Unfortunately I have noticed. I love the rockier stuff whenI was a teen but now I am in love with the more worship stuff. We have a local band here in town - who are not so local anymore - they are touring all over the world and have recorded with Jeremy Camp but they are Wesleyan and they are awesome singers and music players. They put some of our UPC groups to shame with their worship - they are more accustic but they sound really really good!!!!

Michael The Disciple 10-01-2007 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 257594)
I was being purposefully ridiculous with this post, sorry. I couldn't care less about the stuff described. In 10 years the style will be narrow ties and matching suits again. Whatever.

Sounds like LifeGuide's got a great group. Rock on! I in fact like a sound that is "heavier" than what my kids like. They hear something crazy and the first they they say is, "Dad would like that!" LOL. Everything I listen to bemuses them. Well, Rock On!

So is Lifeguide an Apostolic Rock band? If so thats the only one named so far. Does not sound like anything to worry about. I sure miss David and the Giants!

Thad 10-01-2007 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by QueenEsther (Post 258470)
Unfortunately I have noticed. I love the rockier stuff whenI was a teen but now I am in love with the more worship stuff. We have a local band here in town - who are not so local anymore - they are touring all over the world and have recorded with Jeremy Camp but they are Wesleyan and they are awesome singers and music players. They put some of our UPC groups to shame with their worship - they are more accustic but they sound really really good!!!!


methodist putting our Pentecostals to shame in worship???

now, i just can't believe that one

deltaguitar 10-01-2007 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 258495)
methodist putting our Pentecostals to shame in worship???

now, i just can't believe that one

Believe it. I have felt more of the spirit at a David Crowder concert than our UPC youth conventions. It is hard to get past all of the manufactured hype that comes with todays Pentecostal worship. :dancing:shockamoo

Sorry to say this but the days of keyboard driven music in church is on the way out.

:rockbandSorry Thad. I have heard that you are an awesome keyboard player but it is time to get a guitar. I can give you some pointers if you need it.

pentecostisalive 10-01-2007 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by QueenEsther (Post 258470)
Unfortunately I have noticed. I love the rockier stuff whenI was a teen but now I am in love with the more worship stuff. We have a local band here in town - who are not so local anymore - they are touring all over the world and have recorded with Jeremy Camp but they are Wesleyan and they are awesome singers and music players. They put some of our UPC groups to shame with their worship - they are more accustic but they sound really really good!!!!

Ok, the problem with this post is that Music does not necessarily equal WORSHIP. You are saying that because they are awesome singers and music players that their worship puts UPC groups to shame. That is incorrect. TALENT does not automatically equal WORSHIP.

You are impressed with talent, but GOD is impressed with true worship from the heart. God also is impressed with those that worship him in Spirit and in TRUTH. What impresses us and what impresses God are two different things.

delta soundman 10-01-2007 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 258516)
Believe it. I have felt more of the spirit at a David Crowder concert than our UPC youth conventions. It is hard to get past all of the manufactured hype that comes with todays Pentecostal worship. :dancing:shockamoo

Sorry to say this but the days of keyboard driven music in church is on the way out.

:rockbandSorry Thad. I have heard that you are an awesome keyboard player but it is time to get a guitar. I can give you some pointers if you need it.

Hey DG, what ever happen to your old band?

Thad 10-01-2007 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 258516)
Believe it. I have felt more of the spirit at a David Crowder concert than our UPC youth conventions. It is hard to get past all of the manufactured hype that comes with todays Pentecostal worship. :dancing:shockamoo

Sorry to say this but the days of keyboard driven music in church is on the way out.

:rockbandSorry Thad. I have heard that you are an awesome keyboard player but it is time to get a guitar. I can give you some pointers if you need it.


Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? no you didnt no you didnt! I'm not giving up no keyboard for a guitar touch him LORD. i do like guitar though i wished i had a really good guitarist- wanna join our band?? lol

i think some SOME of this style is a trend. there is also a merge of sounds that;s taking place. Israel's style is a good example of this that's bringing freshness even to the urban chruches.

deltaguitar 10-01-2007 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pentecostisalive (Post 258517)
Ok, the problem with this post is that Music does not necessarily equal WORSHIP. You are saying that because they are awesome singers and music players that their worship puts UPC groups to shame. That is incorrect. TALENT does not automatically equal WORSHIP.

You are impressed with talent, but GOD is impressed with true worship from the heart. God also is impressed with those that worship him in Spirit and in TRUTH. What impresses us and what impresses God are two different things.

The amazing thing about bands like David Crowder and Chris Tomlin is that there is not as much talent involved with singing their music. The typical pentecostal choir jam takes tons of ability to sing and to play, while I could teach almost anyone to play a Tomlin worship song on guitar in about thirty minutes.

These guys are striping music and worship down to become exactly what the church needs today and that is getting back to personal worship and intimacy with our creator.
I would have loved to have had music like this growing up. This is music that you can actually "rock out" to while worshiping God. That is why the presence of God is so powerful at these "Baptist" concerts. People are hungry for worship and they come to these concerts expecting to worship and to feel God's presence.

Yes, the day has come that Pentecostals no longer have the edge on upbeat worship services. We used to be able to invite folks to church with our music as a way to lure them in. This is just not so anymore. At least this is the feeling I get down here in the Bible belt were every town has a Baptist church with modern worship music and the presence of God is felt but just not allowed to move.

All this is just my feelings and opinions. Can't prove any of it. :largehalo

deltaguitar 10-01-2007 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by delta soundman (Post 258547)
Hey DG, what ever happen to your old band?

Hey!!! Don't go there! That is the past. Besides our new band is so much better and we are branching out and having so many more opportunities in our community.

Thad 10-01-2007 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 258555)
The amazing thing about bands like David Crowder and Chris Tomlin is that there is not as much talent involved with singing their music. The typical pentecostal choir jam takes tons of ability to sing and to play, while I could teach almost anyone to play a Tomlin worship song on guitar in about thirty minutes.

These guys are striping music and worship down to become exactly what the church needs today and that is getting back to personal worship and intimacy with our creator.
I would have loved to have had music like this growing up. This is music that you can actually "rock out" to while worshiping God. That is why the presence of God is so powerful at these "Baptist" concerts. People are hungry for worship and they come to these concerts expecting to worship and to feel God's presence.

Yes, the day has come that Pentecostals no longer have the edge on upbeat worship services. We used to be able to invite folks to church with our music as a way to lure them in. This is just not so anymore. At least this is the feeling I get down here in the Bible belt were every town has a Baptist church with modern worship music and the presence of God is felt but just not allowed to move.

All this is just my feelings and opinions. Can't prove any of it. :largehalo

you shouldn't talk like that. you are uplifting the baptist while putting us down. for years they BASHED us for using anything other than an organ or piano - they are just COPY CATS ! don't forget that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

deltaguitar 10-01-2007 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 258549)
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaat??? no you didnt no you didnt! I'm not giving up no keyboard for a guitar touch him LORD. i do like guitar though i wished i had a really good guitarist- wanna join our band?? lol

i think some SOME of this style is a trend. there is also a merge of sounds that;s taking place. Israel's style is a good example of this that's bringing freshness even to the urban chruches.

Nah, I am just messing with you. In fact we have been jamming lately with a very cool organ player and it really adds a lot to the music. Being a guitar guy, who was forced to learn piano as a young child because of a certain influence in the Mississippi District, I do realize that there are a lot of songs that can't be played effectively on just guitar. The keys are almost always needed even if they are not the lead instrument.

However, a lot of the new music like Israel's stuff is written for guitar. I love doing a lot major seventh jazz chords and all the cool beats. Living in a city that is 85% African-American and a church that has a large black culture means I am pushed out of my rock comfort zone to incorporate more urban/blues styles to my playing during the main worship service.

If you are ever in the south and need some guitar just get in touch with me. Ha ha.

Thad 10-01-2007 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 258585)
Nah, I am just messing with you. In fact we have been jamming lately with a very cool organ player and it really adds a lot to the music. Being a guitar guy, who was forced to learn piano as a young child because of a certain influence in the Mississippi District, I do realize that there are a lot of songs that can't be played effectively on just guitar. The keys are almost always needed even if they are not the lead instrument.

However, a lot of the new music like Israel's stuff is written for guitar. I love doing a lot major seventh jazz chords and all the cool beats. Living in a city that is 85% African-American and a church that has a large black culture means I am pushed out of my rock comfort zone to incorporate more urban/blues styles to my playing during the main worship service.

If you are ever in the south and need some guitar just get in touch with me. Ha ha.

just come west my son, come west ! :killinme

delta soundman 10-01-2007 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 258558)
Hey!!! Don't go there! That is the past. Besides our new band is so much better and we are branching out and having so many more opportunities in our community.

Should have known it would end. I mean, its not like you were the leader, the keyboard player was.:slaphappy

deltaguitar 10-01-2007 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 258561)
you shouldn't talk like that. you are uplifting the baptist while putting us down. for years they BASHED us for using anything other than an organ or piano - they are just COPY CATS ! don't forget that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But they didn't copy our style of music. They just got sick and tired of dry boring services. Modern worship music doesn't sound pentecostal at all. Look at youth congress. We are the ones copying them. The only group that sounded distinctly pentecostal was the CLC group.

I will tell you one thing. They are way behind when it comes to singing ability. Usually their best singers wouldn't be allowed on our platform.

deltaguitar 10-01-2007 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by delta soundman (Post 258592)
Should have known it would end. I mean, its not like you were the leader, the keyboard player was.:slaphappy

Stop it!!! It was my first try at a rock band. We just had different views on musical taste. I wanted to rock but they wanted Southern Gospel.

Thad 10-01-2007 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar (Post 258596)
But they didn't copy our style of music. They just got sick and tired of dry boring services. Modern worship music doesn't sound pentecostal at all. Look at youth congress. We are the ones copying them. The only group that sounded distinctly pentecostal was the CLC group.

I will tell you one thing. They are way behind when it comes to singing ability. Usually their best singers wouldn't be allowed on our platform.

I'm not talking about styles as much as instrumentation. I remember when it was frowned upon to use drums guitars, bass in a baptist service. now even the catholics have embraced it in some of their services! they have to - they are losing too many youth. the young hispanics are leaving catholism by the grooves and turning to the pentecostal church.

you're right- they can't sng! way too nasally for my taste

Timmy 10-01-2007 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple (Post 256205)
Name some of the Rock bands. Im not aware of any.

Well, Ozzy Osbourne (of Black Sabbath) is Oneness, ya know. See tv1a's sig line! :toofunny

QueenEsther 10-01-2007 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Thad (Post 258495)
methodist putting our Pentecostals to shame in worship???

now, i just can't believe that one

Ok, I'm sorry - I worded that wrong! Lol! They put the group that I know to shame! :)


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