Western District Split
 

I just read that someone was told the WD has been split, is this true?

Yes....

Into northern and southern divisions of the former WD. It had nothing to do with resolution #4.

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DOES ANYBODY WANT TO THINK WAT THE YOUTH IS GOING THROUGH? THE ONES WHO ARE TAKING IT THE HARDEST!!!!:ignore:ignore

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Yes, hon...I would like to know.

Do you feel like elaborating?! What is happening out there?!

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I would assume it is different camp meetings, different youth functions.

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Yes, Bro. Ron, but oibviously this person is hurting from it.

How I wish there were something we could do...

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[QUOTE=Barb;392043]Yes, Bro. Ron, but oibviously this person is hurting from it.

How I wish there were something we could do...[/QUOTE]

True.

That is one of the difficulties in a large growing district!

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I dont want to come across as uncaring....but...

generally speaking we are talking about friends that are seen only 2 or 3 times a year at district events.

so these are not cases of best friends from across the street that are no longer allowed to see each other.

the thing that really hurts these kids is when their churches fall on different sides of hte UPCI WWPF divide. THAT is where the real hurt is.

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That's what I am thinking...there is more here...

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It was used as a scare tactic that the young people would never be allowed to fellowship with each other again with the formation of the new district....that all functions would cease. Obviously, that tactic has worked. UPC Teen...feel free to attend other functions in the new districts. Friendship does not cease over district boundaries.

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So there are TWO types of division going on in Cali. The North South Division and then the WWPF/UPCI division. yes, there will be hurt probably to those involved with the outgoing churches and also to those churches that are near the "berlin wall" area. But I do not think friendships should cease over this. There is an attempt for some functions to include outgoing churches that are going the WWPF path.....time will tell how successful this will be.

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well, if you want to seperate them out like that, there are also the churches that are going independant so there is number 3.

but honestly in California, those that remain in, vs those that are leaving....lets be real. Most of the conservitives dont allow their young people to fellowship with the non-conservitives so really I dont see that as a big deal.

as for those "on the berlin wall" well honestly if you are a good friend of someone a little to the south, but still close, then you will find a way to see them anyway. also not that big a deal.

I live in Texas. the Texas district split a few years ago didnt really do any long term dammage to young people.

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That's good news!

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Yeah, but... that's Texas! Apples and oranges here. Or rather, Prickly Pear Cactus and oranges. :toofunny

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Most of the Ucons don't let their people fellowship with Conservatives, Moderates or Liberals.

The only people this is really going to "hurt" are the kids that are to young to drive or get away to meet their friends who they would other wise see twice a year at youth Camp and Youth Conv.

But as it already was the UCs forbade their kids to go to these events already

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Please tell me that you are not serious about this. Do they have separate churches for the (Ucons, Cons, Mods, and Libs)? How do they stop them from fellowship?

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Man I been gone a long time from all these things.:( happy to be on my little island here with just us bears ,eagles,ravens,whales ..and oh yeah our family of God. Y'all send all them folks up here and they'll appreciate 'FELLOWSHIP'. :D

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I know that's right. Thankful none of that is going on here either. It just doesn't make sense to me.

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I'm CA. District born and bred. I think it will work out for the best for the youth here is why:

You will be able to go to 2 youth conventions now not to mention many more events andmore time and chances to meet your friends.

You will not be turned away simply because you are from the wrong District.

A lot of people are against the District splitting because they feel like the south is too liberal. I'm not addressing that part. most of these people are leaving the UPC anyways.

The mere size and traffic of Calif. demands a second District. anyone living here knows I'm right about it


The northern CA youth convention will be held in Stockton- An easy one hour flight to Sacramento

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I think what UPC_TEEN89 meant was they will not get to see their long term friends because chances are the districts will hold most of their events during the same time. For instance, if youth conv. is always at spring break, they will have to choose which district youth event they wish to attend. Their pastors are going to tell them to attend their district event. It's possible the youth camps could be at different times but, youth camps require the signature of your pastor. I don't know if they will accept youth from another district. Even if they did accept youth from another district, chances are the youth could not afford to attend two camps. With this in mind, I understand the pain of the teens.

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I don't live there and I still think you are right!:happydance

Hey, why aren't you in Church????:hypercoffee

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I hadn't thought of that. I hope they'll do it at dif. times.
It would be a good idea if Southern CA would have their youth convention in the winter since the weather is so nice.

Indiana Dist. has theirs a Christmas Break and you can only imagine how awful the weather is there during that time yet it's packed.

If i heard right, Praise on the Mtn is going to remain combined

Thank you all for relaborating on this. I am in Cali, and the split will take me away from my friends in the southern district. I was at a Ladies Conference for the Western District here in my town.....they say that Nevada and Southern Cali have created the new Southern California District and the rest of us from the grapevine are still considered Western District. I also understand that some churches are going independent.....i know that seeing your friends shouldnt be one of the main reasons of going to these events. I am also 18 and i do know how to drive, but i also work and am a full-time college student. I find it rare to get time to go visit my friends in the far areas of the district with it united already....so these "twice a year events" are very meaningfull to me. To me, the youth are the next generation, and some kids have already backslided from the strict standards already. I know, i have friends that have. Splitting the district for even more stricter standards are ridiculous. You can raise the chances of even more kids backsliding. Some of us dont have families who are in church or arnt in church as much as they supposed to be. Who are they supposed to rely on? their friends, and some meet the bestest of friends at these "twice a year events". My friend who is from southern cali have recently passed away and i couldnt even attend the funeral because of the distance. the only time i could see her was at youth conv. and sr. camp. those are cherished moments that will never be forgotten. We are supposed to be a united family. Us youth are taking it the hardest because we are still young in the word and learning. Our friends can be our source to getting closer with God, i know that i wouldnt be in church as much as i am now without it being for my friends....

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Just some points from your post:

1) The Southern California District had nothing to do with stricter standards. In fact, standards are not even an issue with the recent formation. It has to do more the geography. It just makes sense.

2) Some churches, in light of the UPC's affirmitive vote of Resolution 4 at this years past General Conference was the ever so looked upon "reason" to form the WWPF. There are many ultra conservative churches that have left the UPC for the WWPF. This decision effects, primarily, those in what is now considered the Western District.

3) If you have a true friendship with someone....geographical boundaries should not even be an option. I have a very good friend who lives in the Northern part of the state and I see them, in person, maybe 3-4 times a year. I talk to the person regularly. Geopgraphy has no boundaries on a relationship.

4) These friends will continue to be your friend if both of you cultivate it and work at it. If your only communication with them is just twice a year for a week...and that is the extent of your talks, you may have more acquaintences.

I know that there was some, in opposition of the formation, who spoke to their youth about these events coming to an end and how tragic it was for our youth. I am sorry you got involved in that propoganda. But just know...true friendship will not be bound by geogrpahical boundaries. I have dear friends in the North that were part of my district, is no longer, but our frienship will not end. I pray that you find the value of true friendship.

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Really?? omgoodness that would be awesome because im planning to join W.A.Y Choir this year!