Originally Posted by Raven (Post 260078)

Yes, his closing post that you highlighted. Clear and concise!
Raven

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 260083)

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 260319)

A statement was provided as a concluding sentence in a post offered by Adino in another thread.

I do not take [water] baptism "out of the equation" for proper Christian behavior. I do take it "out of the equation" for salvation before God.

It seemed like such a good basis to get understanding about the folks that post here so I wanted to create an OPEN poll that simply asks you,

YES or NO; does this statement represent your understanding about the scriptural witness pertaining to water baptism?

It is an open poll, meaning people can see the poster's name when viewing the poll results, but afterall, water baptism is so often a topic among us most of us have answered this same thing many times in many ways. So why not consider one more time....go ahead and vote...its your RIGHT!

If you would have to provide a caveat or modify, your answer would be NO.

If it can stand as written, your answer would be YES.

Here is some feedback offered from within the thread where Adino provided this statement that I am using as what you are voting on in this poll:

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 260323)

Two things... the poll is not there and you neglected to include my feedback! :)

Do you have me on ignore or was it so devastating to your cause you chose to exclude it?:killinme:killinme J/K

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 260327)

Hey, Phil
1.I barely ever start a thread
2.I have never made a poll before.
3.I have never done multiple quotes.
4.Your feedback 'over there' might cause others to be 'skeered'.

I think the poll is up now. I can see it. But it wouldn't be the first time I could see something that you could not!:killinme

Originally Posted by Ferd (Post 260326)

I will take water baptism out of the equation when Peter does.

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 260394)

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260396)

Personally no but I understand Texas is famous for the two-step.

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 260400)

James, before you go, why not take a moment and vote!

and thanks to all who have already voted!

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260404)

With all due respect to whomever organized the poll, it does not repeat the statement being voted on.

:coffee2

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 260410)

Thank you for providing the respect due.:saycheese

When you make a poll, there is this cruel limitation on the number of characters a poll question can use? If I attempted to modify the question I would be altering ADINO's clear, concise, statement of position.

The whole point of the poll question was to point the reader to that statement. To alter it, or to in any way apply some editorial privledge, would render the whole statement open for tit-for-tat volleys.

If you would please consider returning to page 1, post 1, the statement will be very apparent.

thanks in advance.

tbpew

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260414)

My apologies. The statement is now there. Since the original post is still evolving I'll hold off. :-) Is there a way to go to the original thread? It would be interesting to see the context in which it was made. Sometimes stand alone statements don't reflect the true tone or content.

I do see however that DA agreed with it, so it is probably correct if taken in context. :killinme

Originally Posted by Adino (Post 258487)

I would point to baptism as the first "works meet for repentance" enacted by one who has repented and believed the Gospel. The heart of repentance and faith was declared to all in baptism. Salvation was declared in baptism.

John who taught the baptism of "repentance for the remission of sins" (Mark 1:4, Luke 3:3) [i.e., the baptism which declared remission of sins in repentance] asked men to repent and to bring forth "works/fruits meet for repentance" (Matthew 3:8, Luke 3:8, also Paul in Act 26:20). I would suggest that the quickening of the soul which took place the moment of conversion was dramatized in the act of baptism. The act signified a change of lifestyle. It signified a putting away of the old and an embarking on the new. The regeneration which took place within the confines of the soul was to produce regenerate behavior "worthy of/meet for" repentance. Regenerate behavior is engendered by the regenerate heart. The person submitting to baptism is declaring that regeneration has occurred by faith. He is declaring his salvation.

The man saved by the Gospel was to "work out his own salvation" meaning he was to let his behavior be reflective of the salvation he possessed through faith. Baptism was a picture of this resurrection to new life. I would stress that it did not effect new life, but that it was only an external outcropping and/or by-product of the new life existing in the heart by faith.

I do not take baptism "out of the equation" for proper Christian behavior. I do take it "out of the equation" for salvation before God.

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260414)

My apologies. The statement is now there. Since the original post is still evolving I'll hold off. :-) Is there a way to go to the original thread? It would be interesting to see the context in which it was made. Sometimes stand alone statements don't reflect the true tone or content.

I do see however that DA agreed with it, so it is probably correct if taken in context. :killinme

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 260394)

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 260567)

WOW!!!!


I don't know what to say?!?... :D

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 260574)

maybe this is proof positive that the principals of NCO all teach a accept/believe-only road to eternal security.::sshhh

:telephone :sos

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 260567)

WOW!!!!


I don't know what to say?!?... :D

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa (Post 260597)

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260414)

My apologies. The statement is now there. Since the original post is still evolving I'll hold off. :-) Is there a way to go to the original thread? It would be interesting to see the context in which it was made. Sometimes stand alone statements don't reflect the true tone or content.

I do see however that DA agreed with it, so it is probably correct if taken in context. :killinme

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260711)

And I see the use of emotes is totally beyond the comprehension of this forum!!! Please note the end of "quote"

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 260728)

James, I think everybody saw the emoticon. But discussion board 101 is often about getting a person to say what he/she seems to be wanting to circumnavigate using a whole variety of dodge techniques. If you can give us the benefit of the doubt, it's like we are trying to provoke you to good works:roseglasses

btw,
now that your back, I would like to point your attention to the post I supplied with the context surrounding Adino's statement that I used for the poll:driving My hope is that with this context you can participate in the public poll.

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260711)

And I see the use of emotes is totally beyond the comprehension of this forum!!! Please note the end of "quote"

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260738)

At the moment I am cramming to take a French test. Will review thread tonight. But IF do take survey it will be as PERSONAL standing and NOT as representative of any other person or organization!! Sorry almost forgot my smile face:killinme


(Trying to keep promise to PastorPoster) ----> I love the UPC

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 260749)

bro,
I am guessing you put an enormous stock, not only in the context of the post, but in every word of a thread that has 20-30 pages. Just between you and me, I think you could get everything you need out of the sentence, but if you think reading 20 pages is the necessary action in support of your vote....I REMIND YOU, none of the hours spent reading are billable hours!:killinme


one final word of comfort and assurance...nobody with a brain worth engaging here at AFF believes you speak as the voice of record for the NCO.

I mean come on....its a fellowship NETWORK! It's not a governing body over any one!

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260760)

There are a few matters with which I am quite comfortable being spokesperson. This will not be one. A couple reactions to the "quote" took it seriously and have probably already grabbed their cell phones! :killinme

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea (Post 260394)

Originally Posted by James Griffin (Post 260414)

My apologies. The statement is now there. Since the original post is still evolving I'll hold off. :-) Is there a way to go to the original thread? It would be interesting to see the context in which it was made. Sometimes stand alone statements don't reflect the true tone or content.

I do see however that DA agreed with it, so it is probably correct if taken in context. :killinme

Originally Posted by tbpew (Post 260764)

well then, it would seem the prudent thing to do would be vote to express your OWN voice and not leave silly men and women to run around with nothing but speculation about your allegiance to the teachings of D.A.:ernie

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman (Post 260769)

Just because DA concurs with it doesn't mean he's correct in his understanding. It blows me away, that at one time, he believed it to be salvational to be baptized in Jesus name.

Originally Posted by Darcie (Post 260773)

Praise God! He's has now seen the Light!

Originally Posted by Darcie (Post 260773)

Praise God! He has now seen the Light!

Originally Posted by Darcie (Post 260778)

:choir "What can wash away my sin?, Nothing but the blood of Jesus:choir

Originally Posted by Darcie (Post 260778)

:choir "What can wash away my sin?, Nothing but the blood of Jesus:choir

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 260783)

I happen to think the blood is applied in every part of the salvation experience. In repentance, baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost so you and I agree! Nothing but the Blood.

In Egypt the blood HAD to be on both door posts AND the lintel... both posts and no lintel no passover... lintel and no posts... no passover... 1 post and lintel... no passover.

yes, oh yes..it was the blood saved me!

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 260783)

I happen to think the blood is applied in every part of the salvation experience. In repentance, baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost so you and I agree! Nothing but the Blood.

In Egypt the blood HAD to be on both door posts AND the lintel... both posts and no lintel no passover... lintel and no posts... no passover... 1 post and lintel... no passover.

yes, oh yes..it was the blood saved me!