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Scott Hutchinson 10-03-2007 12:52 PM

The Tie Clasp In Pentecost.
 
In many Apostolic churches ,men wearing tie clasps on their neckties is taught agains't in standards preaching and teaching. However looking at pre-merger and merger era pictures one finds many Oneness preachers wearing tie clasps.
Why were they acceptable to many in the church in that day ?
Also if one has seen the first General board of The UPCI picture you will see alot of the men wearing tie clasps.
I realize years ago men wore suits to dinner and to ride trains and tie clasps were looking upon an a fashion accesory in that day ,now many men's clothing stores don't carry them, is the reason perhaps that tie clasps were acceptable to many back in the day ?

James Griffin 10-03-2007 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 261799)
In many Apostolic churches ,men wearing tie clasps on their neckties is taught agains't in standards preaching and teaching. However looking at pre-merger and merger era pictures one finds many Oneness preachers wearing tie clasps.
Why were they acceptable to many in the church in that day ?
Also if one has seen the first General board of The UPCI picture you will see alot of the men wearing tie clasps.
I realize years ago men wore suits to dinner and to ride trains and tie clasps were looking upon an a fashion accesory in that day ,now many men's clothing stores don't carry them, is the reason perhaps that tie clasps were acceptable to many back in the day ?

I never used as fashion accessory, it was to keep my tie out of the spagetti.

Scott Hutchinson 10-03-2007 01:28 PM

Here is an interesting article on the eulogy of the Tie Clasp.
http://slate.com/id/2167134

Steve Epley 10-03-2007 06:44 PM

They were worldly.:saycheese:poloroid:telephone:gclock

pelathais 10-03-2007 07:29 PM

The tie itself is a vanity. Having to clasp it in place to avoid food stains or strangulation is a sign of weakness. Gird up your thorax when you gird up your loins and be done with it!

All is vanity...

Praxeas 10-03-2007 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 261799)
In many Apostolic churches ,men wearing tie clasps on their neckties is taught agains't in standards preaching and teaching. However looking at pre-merger and merger era pictures one finds many Oneness preachers wearing tie clasps.
Why were they acceptable to many in the church in that day ?
Also if one has seen the first General board of The UPCI picture you will see alot of the men wearing tie clasps.
I realize years ago men wore suits to dinner and to ride trains and tie clasps were looking upon an a fashion accesory in that day ,now many men's clothing stores don't carry them, is the reason perhaps that tie clasps were acceptable to many back in the day ?

I wear a tie CLIP....if that is what you meant....when I do wear a tie and when I can find the clip lol

RevBuddy 10-03-2007 08:09 PM

Scott:

I've got to tell you a family story about the infamous tie clip...

My Grandad was visiting a campmeeting many years ago and he was wearing a tie clip. A woman walked up to him and asked, "Brother Morgan, I see you're wearing a tie clip, so I guess it's all right for me to wear earrings then?"

Grandad replied, "Sister, when your ears flop around like my tie does, you can wear all the earrings you need." :tiphat

Scott Hutchinson 10-03-2007 08:16 PM

See there men in Pentecost did wear those tie clips.

pelathais 10-03-2007 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 262283)
See there men in Pentecost did wear those tie clips.

Yes, they did. When I was just a youngster I visited an Apostolic church for a rally once. I wore a tie clasp because I had been taught as a child to wear a tie clasp.

After the service as everyone was shaking hands and fellowshipping, a total stranger walked up to me and rebuked (not too harshly, but rebuked) me for wear that tie clasp. Just because I otherwise looked the part, he assumed that I must have been a part of one the Apostolic youth groups. I was really just a kid looking for Christians.

Scott Hutchinson 10-03-2007 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 262293)
Yes, they did. When I was just a youngster I visited an Apostolic church for a rally once. I wore a tie clasp because I had been taught as a child to wear a tie clasp.

After the service as everyone was shaking hands and fellowshipping, a total stranger walked up to me and rebuked (not too harshly, but rebuked) me for wear that tie clasp. Just because I otherwise looked the part, he assumed that I must have been a part of one the Apostolic youth groups. I was really just a kid looking for Christians.

What if you were a first time visitor at that church.
And that stranger wasn't even your pastor.

pelathais 10-03-2007 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 262297)
What if you were a first time visitor at that church.
And that stranger wasn't even your pastor.

I was a first time visiter, though I had visited other Apostolic churches in the area. And the stranger wasn't a pastor at all.

It was just one of those times when someone's "I'm holier than thou" attitude overtook them to the detriment of some kid. Happens all the time to others. Now when it happens to me I know how to play their game.

Scott Hutchinson 10-03-2007 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley (Post 262192)
They were worldly.:saycheese:poloroid:telephone:gclock

To some wearing a suit is worldly.
A older man told me that yrs.ago when the brothers bought a new suit,they would take an iron and put a grease stain in their suit, and they would wear it with a stain on it ,so no one would excuse them of having pride.

Scott Hutchinson 10-03-2007 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais (Post 262302)
I was a first time visiter, though I had visited other Apostolic churches in the area. And the stranger wasn't a pastor at all.

It was just one of those times when someone's "I'm holier than thou" attitude overtook them to the detriment of some kid.

That Religious spirit was way more proudful than a tie clasp.

FRINGE_NUTTER 10-03-2007 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 261799)
In many Apostolic churches ,men wearing tie clasps on their neckties is taught agains't in standards preaching and teaching. However looking at pre-merger and merger era pictures one finds many Oneness preachers wearing tie clasps.
Why were they acceptable to many in the church in that day ?
Also if one has seen the first General board of The UPCI picture you will see alot of the men wearing tie clasps.
I realize years ago men wore suits to dinner and to ride trains and tie clasps were looking upon an a fashion accesory in that day ,now many men's clothing stores don't carry them, is the reason perhaps that tie clasps were acceptable to many back in the day ?

Would you believe that I keep my tie clasps and cuff links locked in a box in my chest of drawers? Would it be a sin to put them on ebay??????

Revelationist 10-03-2007 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 261799)
In many Apostolic churches ,men wearing tie clasps on their neckties is taught agains't in standards preaching and teaching. However looking at pre-merger and merger era pictures one finds many Oneness preachers wearing tie clasps.
Why were they acceptable to many in the church in that day ?
Also if one has seen the first General board of The UPCI picture you will see alot of the men wearing tie clasps.
I realize years ago men wore suits to dinner and to ride trains and tie clasps were looking upon an a fashion accesory in that day ,now many men's clothing stores don't carry them, is the reason perhaps that tie clasps were acceptable to many back in the day ?

Kinda ironic isn't it, you have to wear a cloth necklas, but can't put a clasp on it... hehehe...

ChTatum 10-03-2007 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by FRINGE_NUTTER (Post 262388)
Would you believe that I keep my tie clasps and cuff links locked in a box in my chest of drawers? Would it be a sin to put them on ebay??????

Send me a description, I'll make you an offer.

Sam 10-04-2007 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson (Post 261799)
In many Apostolic churches ,men wearing tie clasps on their neckties is taught agains't in standards preaching and teaching. However looking at pre-merger and merger era pictures one finds many Oneness preachers wearing tie clasps.
Why were they acceptable to many in the church in that day ?
Also if one has seen the first General board of The UPCI picture you will see alot of the men wearing tie clasps.
I realize years ago men wore suits to dinner and to ride trains and tie clasps were looking upon an a fashion accesory in that day ,now many men's clothing stores don't carry them, is the reason perhaps that tie clasps were acceptable to many back in the day ?

In "The Winds of God" written by Ethel Goss about the early Pentecostal movement (1901-1914) and the life of her husband Howard A. Goss the subject of jewelry is mentioned.

On page 69 of the book he talks about the way they dressed which is in marked contrast to the way some of the preachers preach about standards, clothing, jewelry, etc today. Years ago we used to refer to this as "clothes line preaching." Now I guess it's just considered preaching on standards.

"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.

"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.

"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."


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