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There will NOT be masses of sinners coming into churches advertsing on television but rather saints from smaller works will be sucked into large churches and the Pastor will be claiming revival in the name of television.

But they wouldn't really be "saints" would they, if they were watching TV?

The problem is not TV though. Saddleback was not on TV when it first started. They did a mail out campaign. The same thing can happen to a church NOT on TV....

BTW are all the members of AMs church converts or did any of them come from other churches?

Yes very carnal worldly saints but saints nonetheless.

I usually agree with your analysis on things in Pentecost but not here. Oneness Pentecost is a small world and some saint of a small church seeing a TV ad for a larger one is not going to see anything about that church that he does not already know.

Matthew 4

8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them; 9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me. 10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Time will tell.

Elder, while I am probably a moderate conservstive, I agree 110% with you.
One scripture to go with that prediction.

Jer 48:10 Cursed be he that doeth the work of the LORD deceitfully.......

I don't know about that bro. Small time pastors do their best to shield their saints from the big church in town. In fact in many cases there is a love hate relationship between the two pastors. The big one believes the small church is dead and that is why they are small, the small guy believes the big guy is only big because everyone loves a parade!!

I always wondered why none of our folks in the small church got to do anything at district functions like singing, playing, departments, etc. Only later did I find out that the pastor was asked several times to submit folks to be involved only for him to decline. I have also heard my share of "The Man" being tired of dead, dried up and boring UPC churches in town...

I think Bro. Epley was dead on...assuming of course folks in the small UPC church have access to a television.

Its not just advertising Bro...we passed Tv ministry too.

And yet they did not have TV in Jeremiahs day? :killinme

See the problem is you all are saying it's the TV....it's NOT The TV. It's YOU and I. It's US.

We've had already many failings in our circles. One does not have to be on TV for that to happen

Aooooogah!!! Aooooogah!! Aoooooogah!! Aoooooogah!!!

Look what you done did Ron, you triggered the scripture bending out of context horn!

I'm sure that those people in small churches have already heard of or have been to those bigger churches, yet still continue attending their small church.

My take on it is, if someone leaves your church for another, it's because of one of two main reasons:

1. You aren't giving them the meat of the Word, yet the other church feeds them until they are fat.....so they should go, because being saved is more important than who's church they attend.....

2. They aren't there to serve God but to serve themselves and the appeal of a big church draws them more than God does.......and in that case, you would be better off without those people in your church.

I think I just kinda said that......LOL!

Good post!

HO, your number two point is the exact reason I would give for disagreeing with your first point.

We left the tiny church because of a lack of bouncity-bounce-bounce worship. Only later did I discover all the awesome preaching I missed out on because the small guy either couldnt or wouldnt invite those guys in. I remember being blown away the first time I heard the likes of Floyd Odom and Murrel Ewing (a celebrity in my mind after the Lanny Wolf UPC "We are the World" album)

It happens all the time with the liberals Carp.:hypercoffee

Although I dare you before God to prove that this in anyway can not be connected to this issue.:hypercoffee

My friend, in my post I put 'two MAIN reasons', knowing there are many others. It's just my POV from what I've personally witnessed in the many churches I have attended.

Not to your church! LOL

The truth is that the passing of the Res 4 is only the beginning. As my dear Brother NLYP has said is that they can do tv ministry too. Like Prax said with Saddleback did mass mailing before other things. TV is not the only outreach toy churches should be using. It should one of the many. I know alot of people have been critical of the White's church Without Walls, but it has been reported that they have a few hundred outreaches. I am not sure how many outreaches can be done from one assembly, but there can be at least a dozen. Elder, I do not know you very well, but I do know that you are passionate and real. You do not care whether people agree with you or not. Personally, I believe that you and your church could benefit from advertising on Tv or doing a Tv ministry. Of course that is considering if you did not think it was wrong.

I look at what T.D. Jakes did his first time on TBN. He was selling a book and they brought him on there and he showed his book and they SOLD OUT!!! They sold so many books that they had to go reprint them. It made him a millionaire. I am not for Tv so everyone can be a millionaire, but I would like to believe that if the money started coming in that the money would be turned back into the outreach of the word. You sir would probably benefit from it. The truth is that you are UC so that might work against you, but I promise once some sees your passion for Jesus they will want it too. Passion is what will draw some people in.

Why weren't you bouncity-bounce-bounce worshiping?

To the best of my knowledge Saddleback does not have a national tv ministry. I don't believe they have a television ministry at all. I think they advertise on television, but not in the form of a prefab broadcast.

Many of the small churches should close down. It is ridiculous to have a bunch of little churches in one area. Many of those little churches were founded on less than pure motives.

It is my understanding that 80% of Saddleback's growth came from the unchurched, now that is quite an accomplishment.

Sometimes folks go to a small church for a specific reason (the purpose of God) when that purpose or growth has been accomplished in them God moves them on, the pastor should give glory to God that he has been used by God for that specific purpose rather than upset or bitter that they have left him. After all it is God's church not his or anyone else's.

So the Swordsman is an ultracon. :girlpopcorn

It seems 80% of small curches began from selfish motives. God doesn't call 2 upci churches 5 minutes from each other.

The answer to your conundrum would be to go on TV and have Revivial.

That was my belief but I did not know for sure so I didn't say they were not on TV at all. But to the best of my knowledge they are not

Situations should be judged by scripture, not scripture pulled out and molded to fit and judge the situation. Jesus wept...so we all should weep. :D

Isn't that "Preacher Lernin" 101?

:D

I was, until I found out what it was for. Now I think the small church had it half right.

Interesting.... there are 3 where I live.... !!

80% eh? Have they all been anyalised sufficiently to be sure? There ARE reasons people go to smaller Churches also. The doctrine of lets say the larger Church may be to tickle ears such as pre trib or sin less rather than sinless.

It is true there should only be one Church per town. Maybe someday.

Is this in His standard operating manual somewhere?

maybe it will stir up an understanding that everyone needs to put their hand to one net rather than every body have their own net.

Maybe TV will actually unite geographically similar ministries with a new basis and common purpose for cooperation.

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Oh but wait, that would mean somebody who currently has the rule will loose part, or all of it....


oh well, forget everything I just said....it's fantasy.:roseglasses

I'll say, there is more of a chance of a white rabbit popping out of the front of your pulpit during church looking at his watch running out of the church fretting that he is late...before this happens in the UNITED pentecostal church at a local level. :D

Can you imagine a large and a small pastor (of any stripe really) getting together saying, "Brother, with this advertising on TV approved, what do you say we combine our efforts to promote our church and movement together."

"...Oh dear! Oh dear! I shall be late!'

carp,
you are aware that the only way to enter into the place where rabbits race around checking the time is ......

you have to get small.

In the original artists drawing of the tale, I think a catepillar was sucking on a bong pipe to provide the portal.

so,
what may be actually be needed for my fantasy and your white rabbits to be realized is.....

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im thinking about doing one of those tv commercials for 2 reasons
1. so i can tell all the lazy couch potatoes to stay away from my church
b. so if any of my heathern saints say they saw it some heads are gonna roll

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Sounds good, but it would take a lot of peanut brittle to pay for the ad. :toofunny

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Well, if the people in these smaller churches are not apostolic, and these TV ads lead them to apostolic truth, that will be revival in its own way.

Besides, the ads could bring in backsliders and people who just "read the bible at home". It doesn't have to bring "masses of sinners" to be successful.

That's what I thought.
Even better!
... people seeing church services on TV will expose many to apostolic preaching they may have never heard before. I don't necessarily think TV ads or TV ministry is a magic bullet" that will be key to a massive revival, but I believe God will bless it and bring souls in.

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Goodness gracious what a well-travelled and knowledgeable person you must be! It's even more amazing that you were able to become intimate with so many founding pastors of small churches! We're all so fortunate that you deign to bless us with your abundance of wisdom and insight. Now that we know we should gather in the town square with our torches and pitchforks to assemble demolition crews, I'm sure there won't be much traffic on AFF tonight. Most of the members will be out scrapping small pentecostal churches. Solemnly, of course.













:rolleyes2

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Why should there be one church per town?

Atlanta, where I now live, has 4.5 million people spread over multiple counties. New York City, where I lived before, has 8 million people in 5 counties. One church per town just isn't practical in big cities and towns.

One church per neighborhood? Probably.
But one church per town? Doesn't make sense to me.

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You've got it all wrong. The unwritten rule of thumb is only one church per family

Those small towns have to start a new church whenever a new family moves to town. They build them in close proximity so they can spy out potential mates from the other tribes to inject some variety into the gene pool.

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So what should the equation be? One church per 10,000? One church per 100,000?
Actually there probably IS a place for making such calculations. But I think distance between buildings is probably good as well, if not better -with 30 minutes drive being a good start in my view.