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StillStanding 10-14-2007 09:15 AM

Are You a Wall Builder or Bridge Builder??????
 
Wall Builder - A person who tries to protect them self from outside influences that they don't agree with. This person will abort associations or friendships to keep themselves "pure". This person puts a high value on separation and purity.

Bridge Builder - A person who holds to friendships and associations even when they may disagree on certain issues. This person will keep friends even when their belief system is totally different than their own. This person puts a high value on friendships.

Which are you more like? I understand that there is a little of both in most.

Barb 10-14-2007 09:26 AM

This is a good thread, PM...

I try to be a bridge builder because I believe this is the right thing to do.

Learning from our differences and working together on those things with which we do agree is what matters most, IMO.

Those of us who think we have it all or know it all are sadly mistaken...once I came off my high-horse of "you can't tell me anything," I discovered how immature and arrogant this thinking was.

It was then that I opened my mind and heart, closed my mouth, and learned...and I am still learning.

I wouldn't trade this new mindset for the world...

Arphaxad 10-14-2007 09:40 AM

I make bridges with walls. :thumbsup



ARPH :doggyrun

The Mrs 10-14-2007 10:07 AM

Because I've been on both sides of this spectrum, I can say I've been both.

I doubt you will have very many that will admit to being a wall builder. This definition that you have supplied sounds a bit too harsh for anyone to admit to it.


~I used to be a wall builder.

We were always careful about who we fellowshipped with, and for how long. Always protecting ourselves from worldly influences. Our fences and guards were in place.


~Now I am a bridge builder.

I see the value in reaching out and really loving someone no matter what they believe. Especially my family. We had alienated ourselves from all of our family. We realized the value of family a little late, but have since made it a point to make sure that we have monthly get-togethers. It has brought peace and healing to us all. And I can say that I genuinely LOVE my family.


I always told myself I loved others, but looking back in hindsight, I realized I really didn't. I loved myself. It was all about protecting myself from being tainted. My 'love' was superficial at best. Not a genuine bone in my body toward those who I deemed to be ungodly and unsaved. Which was everyone outside of our own church family. We even had a certain degree of protecting ourselves from the neighboring UPC churches.

Barb 10-14-2007 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 271433)
Because I've been on both sides of this spectrum, I can say I've been both.

I doubt you will have very many that will admit to being a wall builder. This definition that you have supplied sounds a bit too harsh for anyone to admit to it.


~I used to be a wall builder.

We were always careful about who we fellowshipped with, and for how long. Always protecting ourselves from worldly influences. Our fences and guards were in place.


~Now I am a bridge builder.

I see the value in reaching out and really loving someone no matter what they believe. Especially my family. We had alienated ourselves from all of our family. We realized the value of family a little late, but have since made it a point to make sure that we have monthly get-togethers. It has brought peace and healing to us all. And I can say that I genuinely LOVE my family.


I always told myself I loved others, but looking back in hindsight, I realized I really didn't. I loved myself. It was all about protecting myself from being tainted. My 'love' was superficial at best. Not a genuine bone in my body toward those who I deemed to be ungodly and unsaved. Which was everyone outside of our own church family. We even had a certain degree of protecting ourselves from the neighboring UPC churches.

I can identify with this post...

Hoovie 10-14-2007 10:28 AM

Is there a way i can vote for other people? :)

Digging4Truth 10-14-2007 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover (Post 271439)
Is there a way i can vote for other people? :)

If you do you might just end up burning a bridge. :)

Nahum 10-14-2007 11:44 AM

Just call me Nehemiah.

StillStanding 10-15-2007 07:44 AM

*bump*

Everybody fits into one of these two categories, although some have changed their philosophy in their lifetime.

Also realize that these are not absolute, as a bridge builder will find it necessary to build a wall at times. Rarely does a wall builder build a bridge.

Scott Hutchinson 10-15-2007 07:53 AM

I say Bridge Builder because I'm friends with alot of folks whom I disagree with.

Baby S.E.A.L.S. Club 10-15-2007 09:27 AM

I build walls....Then I build bridges so you can get over it....LOL.

ForeverBlessed 10-15-2007 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 271421)
Wall Builder - A person who tries to protect them self from outside influences that they don't agree with. This person will abort associations or friendships to keep themselves "pure". This person puts a high value on separation and purity.

Bridge Builder - A person who holds to friendships and associations even when they may disagree on certain issues. This person will keep friends even when their belief system is totally different than their own. This person puts a high value on friendships.

Which are you more like? I understand that there is a little of both in most.

I know the importance of being a bridge builder…. And I really try to do my best… but I would be lying if I didn’t admit to having a tendency to build walls because of fear and insecurity… it is insecurity in myself… not God. I wish I was more like others I know that have enough faith in God and themselves so they are bridge-builders… I'm glad God has put people in my life that reassures me... and I work at keeping the walls down.

Felicity 10-15-2007 10:58 AM

We've always been bridge builders, no doubt about it, but there are walls that need to be maintained and walls that need to be built too.

There's a time for everything under the sun and that includes wall building. Some things need to be kept out and some things need to be protected.

tamor 10-15-2007 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Felicity (Post 272071)
We've always been bridge builders, no doubt about it, but there are walls that need to be maintained and walls that need to be built too.

There's a time for everything under the sun and that includes wall building. Some things need to be kept out and some things need to be protected.

Good post.

mfblume 10-15-2007 11:33 AM

This is interesting that this thread appears today. I was just reading an article that was inspired by something Eisenhower said in 1961 in one of his speeches. He said that the world must beware of becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate. It, instead, must become a confederation of mutual respect and trust. The weakest must come to the conference table with the strongest.

A writer then commented on the speech and compared the thought with Jesus' ways in the first century. He said it was interesting that Eisenhower used the terms "coming to the table". Jesus sat at tables with thieves, prostitutes and publicans. This was a direct message against all the sects and groups of his day that were actually based on division and hatred.

Every group and sect, of the first century, be it religious or political, was based upon division. Their DIFFERENCES were highlighted and made the foundation of each sect. And the differences were exploited -- Jews versus Gentiles -- Palestinian Jews versus Jews of the Diaspora -- Aramaic speakers versus Greek speakers -- Priests vs. scholars -- violent revolutionaries vs. accommodationists. And each sect carved out thier own niche in ideology and depended upon a concept of prophetic doom to fall on the others in order to vindicate their stand.

Jesus attacked this entire divisive method by inviting everyone to his table! This threatened the authority all around Him that was based upon division. He would not accomodate passively, nor choose violent opposition. His Kingdom was not of this world and never will be. Instead of emphasizing the differences, He proposed a truth and appealed to all people of every other sect and category to understand it, inviting them ALL!

Amongst denominations today, we see the trend of emphasizing the differences to the point of heaven or hell rewards. Instead of proposing truths, religious groups attack each others' beliefs and claim their own belief is was saves a person while they throw mud on the other beliefs.

So instead of basing a new group on emphasizing the differences and contrasting what WE believe while we explicitly throw down what THEY believe, thereby making a new wall in the world, why not preach TRUTH without mudslinging???? Why not share truth without contrasting it with so-and-so's group "who preaches this other thing"????

Why not build bridges instead of walls?

Walls need to be held onto for SOME reasons, as Felicity said, though.

The Mrs 10-15-2007 11:49 AM

This is excellent Bro. Blume!!! :thumbsup

Makes one wonder about the whole idea of separation.

mfblume 10-15-2007 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 272102)
This is excellent Bro. Blume!!! :thumbsup

Makes one wonder about the whole idea of separation.

Right! True Separation might be about not building walls instead of bridges! lol The WORLD builds political groups based upon divisions. Jesus came to bring a sword, but His separation was against the world's ways of walls.

CC1 10-15-2007 01:26 PM

I didn't vote in the poll but I am definitely a wall builder! I won't have anything to do with those misguided legalists like Elder Groce, Steve Epely, Phil Jones, Bishop1, etc,etc.

tamor 10-15-2007 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 272187)
I didn't vote in the poll but I am definitely a wall builder! I won't have anything to do with those misguided legalists like Elder Groce, Steve Epely, Phil Jones, Bishop1, etc,etc.

:pirate:pirate:pirate

StillStanding 10-15-2007 01:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 272094)
This is interesting that this thread appears today. I was just reading an article that was inspired by something Eisenhower said in 1961 in one of his speeches. He said that the world must beware of becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate. It, instead, must become a confederation of mutual respect and trust. The weakest must come to the conference table with the strongest.

A writer then commented on the speech and compared the thought with Jesus' ways in the first century. He said it was interesting that Eisenhower used the terms "coming to the table". Jesus sat at tables with thieves, prostitutes and publicans. This was a direct message against all the sects and groups of his day that were actually based on division and hatred.

Every group and sect, of the first century, be it religious or political, was based upon division. Their DIFFERENCES were highlighted and made the foundation of each sect. And the differences were exploited -- Jews versus Gentiles -- Palestinian Jews versus Jews of the Diaspora -- Aramaic speakers versus Greek speakers -- Priests vs. scholars -- violent revolutionaries vs. accommodationists. And each sect carved out thier own niche in ideology and depended upon a concept of prophetic doom to fall on the others in order to vindicate their stand.

Jesus attacked this entire divisive method by inviting everyone to his table! This threatened the authority all around Him that was based upon division. He would not accomodate passively, nor choose violent opposition. His Kingdom was not of this world and never will be. Instead of emphasizing the differences, He proposed a truth and appealed to all people of every other sect and category to understand it, inviting them ALL!

Amongst denominations today, we see the trend of emphasizing the differences to the point of heaven or hell rewards. Instead of proposing truths, religious groups attack each others' beliefs and claim their own belief is was saves a person while they throw mud on the other beliefs.

So instead of basing a new group on emphasizing the differences and contrasting what WE believe while we explicitly throw down what THEY believe, thereby making a new wall in the world, why not preach TRUTH without mudslinging???? Why not share truth without contrasting it with so-and-so's group "who preaches this other thing"????

Why not build bridges instead of walls?

Walls need to be held onto for SOME reasons, as Felicity said, though.

:scoregood

dizzyde 10-15-2007 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mfblume (Post 272113)
Right! True Separation might be about not building walls instead of bridges! lol The WORLD builds political groups based upon divisions. Jesus came to bring a sword, but His separation was against the world's ways of walls.

This is powerful, I have thought often of the analogies of secular politics and the church. I definitely agree that there is a need for walls in some aspects, and at some times in our lives, but I believe that to be a true Christian you have to be, to some degree a bridge builder.

RevDWW 10-15-2007 07:25 PM

Aren't both needful?

Both walls and bridges can be means of protection!

philjones 10-15-2007 08:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Mrs (Post 272102)
This is excellent Bro. Blume!!! :thumbsup

Makes one wonder about the whole idea of separation.

While I hear you, we must remember that separation is a Biblical principle. :) Now if you can navigate that wall some would say I just built, I have a bridge and some ocean front property I want to sell you in Arizona. :D

philjones 10-15-2007 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 272187)
I didn't vote in the poll but I am definitely a wall builder! I won't have anything to do with those misguided legalists like Elder Groce, Steve Epely, Phil Jones, Bishop1, etc,etc.

THANK YOU for putting me in such exclusive company.. What great men.. to be named among them is indeed an honor!:pirate:scoregood

philjones 10-15-2007 08:20 PM

I actually preached about this subject on Friday night.. and I used the well worn Reaganism " Mr. Gorbachev, this wall must come down!" Not sure about any one else but I needed to hear it!

StillStanding 10-15-2007 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 272535)
While I hear you, we must remember that separation is a Biblical principle. :) Now if you can navigate that wall some would say I just built, I have a bridge and some ocean front property I want to sell you in Arizona. :D

I believe the 'separation' as mentioned in the bible means separation from the WORLD, not other parts of the body of Christ! :)

CC1 10-15-2007 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 272540)
THANK YOU for putting me in such exclusive company.. What great men.. to be named among them is indeed an honor!:pirate:scoregood

Shhhh!!! Don't tell anybody we ever met. I have a "walls" image to keep up!

philjones 10-15-2007 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pianoman (Post 272564)
I believe the 'separation' as mentioned in the bible means separation from the WORLD, not other parts of the body of Christ! :)

No argument from me on this statement... I was just responding with a gentle reminder not to questions separation too much as it is indeed a Biblical principal.:pirate:pirate

How about RevDWW's comment about the importance of both? It almost sounds like he needs spiritual angioplasty since we are talking about the body... any walls that separate the body must be arterial blockage and a matter of the heart!:)

philjones 10-15-2007 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CC1 (Post 272566)
Shhhh!!! Don't tell anybody we ever met. I have a "walls" image to keep up!

Hey everyone.. I just want to testify that while I was fellowshipping the men on the outside of CC1's wall at AMC, I attempted to build a bridge for CC1 to cross over... he chose not to cross but i did try to build the bridge...


He said his not crossing had something to do with his tank tops and short shorts.:pirate:pirate

CC1 10-15-2007 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by philjones (Post 272570)
Hey everyone.. I just want to testify that while I was fellowshipping the men on the outside of CC1's wall at AMC, I attempted to build a bridge for CC1 to cross over... he chose not to cross but i did try to build the bridge...


He said his not crossing had something to do with his tank tops and short shorts.:pirate:pirate

That last sentance brought up a mental image that is going to be hard to shake. I may stay awake for hours tonight!

ms.tammy 10-15-2007 08:50 PM

I am mostly a bridge builder! When Jesus was on this earth, if he wasn't a bridge builder, where would we all be? Nobody was to His standard!


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